Merged Threads: Do you think Angela is really Sylar's mother?, Gabriel Petrelli

Wow.


So there it is. With the lines "Yes dear, you are" it was so. Sylar Petrelli.


So what do you guys think? If it's true, HOW would it be possible? Do you like the idea, or hate it? Or, like me, do you think Angela is brilliantly lying to manipulate the psycho killer, perhaps the only person now who can help find her son and restore order.

So what is the diagnosis, 9th Wonders?

As I said in another thread:

I can't be the only one not immediately assuming that Mrs. Petrelli is Sylar's mom and there's some sort of crazy illusion/hallucination plot twist.

Right?

...Right?

Maybe I'm just in denial. I don't know.

Just because he's Angela's doesn't necessarily mean he's a petrelli......

I would totally buy the whole her trying to manipulate him thing , but if he really is her son then I would at least like to see that he has a different dad. However, I don't remember seeing Sylar's dad around when he killed the person he thought was his mom.

I couldn't believe my ears... I love the idea of Peter and Sylar being related. It brings a a whole new twist to their hateful relationship.

As I seem to do oh-so often...let's make a list...

Possibilities I can think of at the moment:

1. He's Angela/Arthur's kid.
2. He's Angela's kid with somebody else. (Kaito?)
3. He's not Angela's son, she's just manipulating him like everyone else.

I'd vote for he's Angela's...but I'm not sure I'd immediately say he's another Petrelli (Nor Nakamura).

I can't say I didn't see it coming, but I seem to like the potential storyline this could bring about.

I really..am not sure how I feel about it. There are so many problems that come with that idea. How the hell did Nathan not notice (Assume Sylar would have to be older then Peter) that his Mother got pregnant and had a child at some point?

I can buy it, but I need an explanation, and obviously they're going to deal with that in the coming episode. Personally, I hope Gabriel wasn't just adopted by Virginia Gray and her husband; perhaps Mr. Gray had an affair with Angela, or something or that order. If he is just adopted, however, it would feel kind of inserted and weird.

I think that Sylar and Peter are fraternal twins. Hence why their true abilities are so similar. Peter doesn't have to physically take the powers but Sylar does...

Just a thought.

Damn Sylar's a Petrelli..

LoL wouldn't it be hilarious if the next episode started with Sylar responding "What?" and Angela going "I mean you FEEL like a son to me. We're not actually related. All those nerds on 9thwonders were freaking out for nothing".

That would be crazy and extremely specific.

I think that the previous generation - Mama Petrelli and the others in addition to locating and finding other persons with powers used their genetic code either by artificial insemination or by actually having sex with each other in an attempt to create more persons with powers and either raised the kids them selves or had them placed with other persons knowingly or unknowingly - i.e. Sylar, Matt, Nathan, Peter, Hiro

We knew it. Everyone's a Petrelli.

and a good one. You bring up a very interesting theory

omg, i was like yelling at the tv...craziness

Sylar is Nathan's son! THAT is why he didn't kill Claire..they are BROTHER AND SISTER!


What a twist!

The concept of Sylar being the son of Angela Petrelli seems so wrong to me. If it's true, it will take ma a while to get used to it.

*hopeful* SO EVEN I CAN BE A PETRELLI! *o*

I wouldn't want to be related to Peter or Nathan. Besides the fact that all Petrelli's are cursed and overly stubborn, I mean..they are both just too damn attractive.

If it is true, then I think it's kinda cool. All you haters need to just chill. This is not the end of your world.

Maybe (with some help from the space/time department) Angella Petrelli is actually Eve, and thus she's mother of all.

I'm inclined to go with the idea that Peter and Sylar or Nathan and Sylar are fraternal twins but it would be an interesting twist if Mama Petrelli had an affair with Linderman and produced the twins?

think she is just persuasive and trying to get him under her control so that she can use him to track down the others. just dont think the writers would go down this road. to me it would feel too soap opera-y. "everyone is everyones baby or mom or dad or cousin"

I like this theory - I think it could open up a whole lot of potential for great storytelling. Plus, if they were twins, Nathan as a child would not have wondered about his mom's pregnancy. This was something I did not see coming. I'm SO excited! Heroes is BACK!

Someone help me out but we already knew that Angela had an affair at some point
(Mr nakamura?). Now my guess is that sylar/peter are fraternal twins(like Nickodimas said) and that when she was pregnant she saw that having both peter and gabriel (before he would be sylar) in the same house hold would ultimately lead to a cateastrophic event that would put her/them in danger.


Spoiler of a deleted seen from season 2 with my evidence of who the father is.
If we keep mr nakamura having the power of seeing all the variables and angela's seeing the future both peter and sylar's ability could have been been planned like micahs. Seeing how both powers can see how something works and both seem to know what the power could do i the future

I was really hoping Sylar would end up a petrelli, and I guess it's true. My vote is for him being a non identical twin of Peters, because having angela knocked up for an extra 9 months with a mystery baby is a lil silly, but a twin would explain why no one noticed her being all preggers. I can't wait to see where this goes, but I give this new twist an A-, with it changing to an A (+) depending on how they explain it next ep.

PS, we already have a baseline of twins sharing similar powers (maya/alej), so the similarity of Sylar/Peter might lay in this also.

yeah, that's quite a twist, but I think this twins thing might be a possible solution. I just feel that as creative as this show is, that there will be more to this than just a twins issue. It's a good guess though.

though this is a side note, anyone else bummed that he doesn't eat brains?

awww, come on... I wanted him to nibble a little bit of it.

If he is a twin, why did she only give one away? If he is a twin, why did her husband, or ANYONE not realize she had two babies but only kept one child?


Arther and Angela were married already when Nathan was a toddler, and Nathan was deff. his. The only possibility was that Sylar was born before or after Peter, or was a twin of Peter's and no one..noticed the other kid come out.

For some reason when Sylar said to Peter in the future episode Five Years Gone "Brother vs. Brother...its almost biblical." I always got the feeling that he really meant it and that it was not just because he was posing as Nathan. Guess it turns out that way!

Nah. I think it was Angela just disowning Peter and Nathan and saying that "HEY YOU'RE MY SON NOW KAY?"

Oooh, good catch on the 5YG snippet. I wonder how long this has been in the planning stage.

Maybe he's not Angela's...he's Arthurs. And when she said she's his mom, she meant now she is. We've seen illegitimate children before (Claire) and Angela doesn't get very sentimental about it. So Arthur had an affair, sent the kid away to protect the Petrelli name, but Angela's been keeping an eye on him in the meantime. And now she's all he's got left in the way of an authoritative family figure. ::Shrug::

It's a theory, I don't necessarily believe it. But I think it's possible.

I don't think that she would have given birth in a regular hospital due to The Company being what it is. I am sure they knew that if the parents had powers the kids would too. I think that due to Kaito's probability power that they knew keeping Sylar and Peter together would be a bad thing so they split the kids up.

The Company isn't averse to taking people's children as evidenced by Claire being put into adoptive custody because of who her parents were.

Angela is all about the company. I don't see her having any problem whatsoever giving one of the kids up.

He's not a Petrelli if he's Angela's and not Arthur's right? It's possible he's only a 1/2 sib of Nathan and Peter's (Angela does give the vibe of fooling around, Nathan does mention something betwen her and Kaito to Matt in season 2, though Kaito is def not related to Sylar)

that does still leave the problem of no one noticing an extra pregnancy and kid. I don't think he'd be twins with peter (though evil vs good would be quite fitting) it just ruins the dynamic of Nathan and Peter if Peter and Sylar are too closely related

I'm gonna lean to the side of Angela just being manipulative again, at least until I see more concrete evidence. Angela realizes how terribly wrong things have gone, and it seems she plans to do whatever it takes to get Sylar to do what she needs him to do.

This is a pretty significant thing to take in if true. I kinda liked the idea of Virginia Gray from Season One being the mother of Sylar, though I suppose it is possible she only raised him his whole life. Just got to wait and see where this goes.

Then how would any of them have birth certificates?

And really, why go to all of that effort just to not keep one of her own children?

This is going to drive me insane. Is Angela a huge Peter Gabriel fan? Does that explain it?

I really cannot accept them being twins.

Hmm... For all we know, Sylar is the big brother...or Nathan's twin and they sent one away to see what they'd do.

Granted, the abilities are similar but fraternal brothers are just brothers launched for target practice at the same time.

I'm also wondering if Linderman is Nathan's Dad...with the way he's manifesting to Nathan. I swear, he called him son somewhere along the way too, but I'll have to watch again to see what I'm imagining.

Wheeee!

That's something I hadn't thought of. I think that would be pretty neat, actually.

I pretty much saw it coming from the promos but I'm still excited/intrigued about it. I wonder how it's all going to turn out.

I'm just so glad it's finally here!

Linderman can't be Nathan's dad, since Arthur and Angela had already had Nathan by the time Arthur and Linderman met in the war

And War Buddies is also exactly why I think Sylar CAN'T be Nathan's twin.

You know this can be another of her manipulation tactics like all of the company does but it may be possible that it is true. Peter and Sylar are very similar when comparing their powers in the sense that each can obtain and hold multiple abilities. I mean this would make for a good story, Sylar and Peter obviously a critical pair to the whole series being related. But it can be cliche if it isnt written right.

EVERYONE is a Petrelli.

basically lol that solves everything

I remember a statement very early on where Kring said (along with his comments that all 5 years of the story were planned out) that Silar was a blip on the screen. Specifically that they were surprised at how popular he was, as he was not intended to have a very long run in the series. I'm sensing, and have thought this since volume 2, that the original backstory is being tweaked to respond to ----something...not sure if it's these boards, the network, etc. And that's fine, I don't hold them to an unpublished story line. They should have the creativity to flex the story as it goes. But I think in this case it's:

1) Obvious. I don't want to see the writer's think through their story while I'm watching it.
2) It leaves unanswered questions that had trajectory toward an original plot-line...unanswered. Or if they do get answered it's writer acrobatics.

In short, Silar being Peter's half-brother or full-brother? yawn-fest. unoriginal. only as interesting as its initial shock-value.

Also, another 1, 4, or 5 years into the future there's a disaster that has to be diverted? How many times are they gonna use that vehicle?

I love this show, but since vol. 2 have been more and more disillusioned with the writing.

Edited to add: If Kring and the writers come out saying, or anyone has heard them saying, that this was planned since the beginning, of course I'd be willing to admit that my assumptions were unfounded. I would, however, say in that case the story has yet to demonstrate the grand intricacy and symmetry that it has the potential to.

Nathan gets it from his mom.


The twins thing makes sense... but...

I don't think Angela is being truthful, nor is she being TOTALLY manipulative.

I think she's being figurative... maybe Sylar was somehow "manufactured," perhaps from the formula that they decided to split up between Kaito and the person in Germany... but that's a stretch.

I would lean more toward the fact that right now, she's in control of Sylar... she's nurturing him, feeding him, and preparing him for what is to come... so in a sense, she IS his mother... but not biologically.

First of all a few things to those that said "thats why they have similar abilities":

- sylars and peters abilities are totally different!
- sylars ability isn't meant to absorb other abilities, he just manipulates it for that purpose after he found out that he can.

About the idea of sylar being a real petrelli no matter if angelas and arthurs or only one of both:

- ridicoulos and unnecessary.

Couple thoughts ..

The name of the company was "Gray & Sons", so we've known that Sylar had a brother.
Sylar is a Gemini (twins).

Birthdays:
Sylar sourced Jun 11 1962
Bennet 08-06-62
Peter 23 Dec 79

Mother, manipulator, or mother manipulator - I like it

That means that hrg is only 5 months older than sylar while peter is 17 years and 1 month older than sylar? This really can't be right. -.-

The birth-dates are sort of screwed up. No way is Sylar over 40. They've been shoving Zach in wife beaters and trendy black clothes since he got on the show, no way are they trying to make him appear 40.

And, the Gray and Sons bit has been discussed for a while. It can just as easily be explained off as the business having been in the family for some time. This would make sense, as it would add to Sylar's illusion that he was stuck in cycle he could not break (Being a watchmaker)

"The birth-dates are sort of screwed up. No way is Sylar over 40. They've been shoving Zach in wife beaters and trendy black clothes since he got on the show, no way are they trying to make him appear 40. "

Agree completely. No way is he 17yrs older than Peter, add that the article was written by Paul E Sylar & it that was in the first couple of episodes of Season One & it looks like it was probably a mistake. Nonetheless, I'm just putting forth info they gave us (did I miss a retraction?).
>shrug<

EDIT to add sources:
Bennet DOB - Texas Driver License
Peter DOB - the infamous Peter's a Girl Passport
Sylar - birth announcement clipping Chandra's Apartment

As much as I WANT Sylar to be a Petrelli, i think that's what it is.