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Darth Neo
How does FUTURE Peter put PRESENT Peter in someone else's body? Did he just somehow manipulate appearance?
blackmint
I would guess its a ability he got in the 4 extra years hes been alive.
ColorMeToxic
That's what I was thinking, I thought it was like some sort of illusion, but after THAT wording, I'm not so sure.
Leek
Ghost in the...Level 5 inmate?
How is that even *possible*??

Poor Peter has got to have some SERIOUS identity issues by now. I can't even get my mind around how it would be possible to put him inside some other guys body. And where did this level fiver go to when he was so abruplty replaced with Peter Petrelli?

I assume Peter wont be able to use his own powers in this body (That just seems to make sense)...so what exactly is it this guy (And now Peter) can do...?!?


And how is Peter, who can't sit still unless he is saving somebody, going to manage to keep quiet while this gang of rogues terrorizes the world?
themightytruk
Yeah, in 4 years, who knows what all this Peter's picked up. He's probably picked up just about any power imaginable in that time considering the state of the world, or at least enough to appear that way. Pretty scary what someone with all that power could do with some bad choices, like seriously messing up time, which he did.

But yeah, this is a brand new power. Not exactly sure how it works, but it looks like he can place people in someone else's body. Don't know what happens to the other mind and body, though.
Kelly
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 22 2008, 11:34 PM) *
I assume Peter wont be able to use his own powers in this body (That just seems to make sense)...so what exactly is it this guy (And now Peter) can do...?!?



sound manipulation if i remember correctly. noah was about to explain it to claire, but he just said "you don't wanna know about this guy"
LowerTheBar
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 22 2008, 10:34 PM) *
I assume Peter wont be able to use his own powers in this body (That just seems to make sense)...so what exactly is it this guy (And now Peter) can do...?!?


And how is Peter, who can't sit still unless he is saving somebody, going to manage to keep quiet while this gang of rogues terrorizes the world?

My problem is...these guys didn't notice "Jesse" screaming that he was Peter Petrelli. Sure, maybe they couldn't hear him cell-to-cell (although I don't believe that), but he said it after he was out of the cell too. Even as a hardened criminal-or especially as a hardened criminal--I'd be content to just leave the loony.
civilian
Uh oh... if Current Peter has been in contact with Future Peter, does that mean that he acquires all of the powers Future Peter has come into contact within the 4 years?
nickpowers101
QUOTE (civilian @ Sep 23 2008, 12:02 AM) *
Uh oh... if Current Peter has been in contact with Future Peter, does that mean that he acquires all of the powers Future Peter has come into contact within the 4 years?


Good point. Or does future Peter have to manifest his powers for present Peter to acquire them? Either way, that body/mind swap thing was pretty darn impressive.
Phoebegirl319
QUOTE (civilian @ Sep 22 2008, 11:02 PM) *
Uh oh... if Current Peter has been in contact with Future Peter, does that mean that he acquires all of the powers Future Peter has come into contact within the 4 years?

overload...?
BlastOff
QUOTE (nickpowers101 @ Sep 22 2008, 10:04 PM) *
Good point. Or does future Peter have to manifest his powers for present Peter to acquire them? Either way, that body/mind swap thing was pretty darn impressive.


I'm pretty sure the powers don't need to be manifested for Peter to absorb them. He absorbed painting from Isaac without actually being there when Isaac painted.
Kelly
I can't help but wonder where Jesse Murphy went if Peter is in his body....

kinda strange for them to not clarify that.
hopefully they will address that in the next ep (cuz it's buggin me)
darkcervantes
I'm wondering what happened to P-Peter's body
spiderfrommars
Also where's peter's body?

Chances are that future peter's power makes people swap bodies, not just putting one person's consciousness in another body.

So chances are that Jesse is in Peter's body, and that Future peter has stowed that away somewhere.

Or future peter is actually Jesse in Peter's body from when future peter did the initial swap...
GoldSeven
Or Jesse is still in there, along with Peter. In the end, Jesse's expression changed from worried (SO Peter) to ... I'd have to call it grumpy. What if the actual Jesse had taken over again at that point? I can't believe Peter would accept that he was being part of this gang.
Renrut
New theory. When present Peter was chasing Future Peter he actually caught up with him. Future Peter occupied Peter's body. He's just kind of walking around in it DL style. He put his consciousness in Jesse using Matt's power. People are assuming it is a Candace power when you see his face change but I think it is that both Peter's bodies are there at the same time. Probably wrong but what the heck.
Farrant
Im confused. When we see P Peter on the phone and in the reflection we see Jesse. What was tht about? Was it just a way the show has represented peter being in tht body. Didnt make sense to me!
Kelly
QUOTE (Farrant @ Sep 23 2008, 06:10 PM) *
Im confused. When we see P Peter on the phone and in the reflection we see Jesse. What was tht about? Was it just a way the show has represented peter being in tht body. Didnt make sense to me!



that is exactly what it was.
Only3Penguins
QUOTE (Kelly @ Sep 26 2008, 09:06 AM) *
that is exactly what it was.


Yeah that bugged me, because I could tell that they were trying to make it clearer for the audience to understand what was happening, but felt they could actually just be confusing people further. There shouldn't have been any confusion at that point; by then I think we'd already heard fPeter explain pretty clearly to Angella that he'd put pPeter into Jesse's body.

GoldSeven
I agree, I would have been perfectly fine with the Jesse actor portraying Peter (I just loved him as Peter in level 5!) It seems to be a common way of doing that, though. It's been done in an X-Files episode too, where Mulder and another guy switch bodies/consciousnesses, and the audience keeps seeing them as themselves, except when they walk past mirrors. In this case, to be honest, I could imagine it has something to do with giving the audience more Milo and less bald guy. laugh.gif

But I'm still extremely puzzled as to where Peter's body is. And if Jesse's consciousness is in it or not. Imagine Jesse's consciousness trapped in Peter's body with all those powers. @_@ He might like that. It would make fPeter's move dumb in the extreme if he swapped the bodies just like that.

On a different note, the whole thing is a lot of fun. Did you notice that Milo is playing three different Peters at the moment? pPeter, fPeter. AND fPeter pretending to be pPeter? laugh.gif

Melt. Your. Head. biggrin.gif
Kelly
QUOTE (Only3Penguins @ Sep 26 2008, 09:13 AM) *
Yeah that bugged me, because I could tell that they were trying to make it clearer for the audience to understand what was happening, but felt they could actually just be confusing people further. There shouldn't have been any confusion at that point; by then I think we'd already heard fPeter explain pretty clearly to Angella that he'd put pPeter into Jesse's body.



it was a good wow factor for a moment though. When I heard and saw peter talking on the phone before they panned to jesse, I was a bit intrigued. kind of mean in a way
prander
I'd also really like to know if Future Peter moved Present Peter's "mind" and "body" into Jesse's body or just the "mind".
UnfortunateImp
I think the original power is Body Possesion. Future Peter has managed to use his space-time manipulation on other people without teleporting himself (Matt, for example) so I don't think it's a far fetched idea to believe he is able to put other people into other other people.
Synch
QUOTE (Cornhole @ Sep 26 2008, 10:38 AM) *
I think the original power is Body Possesion. Future Peter has managed to use his space-time manipulation on other people without teleporting himself (Matt, for example) so I don't think it's a far fetched idea to believe he is able to put other people into other other people.


Which means he took over Peter's body.

Now the question becomes...what happened to his body?
UnfortunateImp
I thought it was like this: FPeter comes back, puts Peter in Jesse with Peter's body (I guess that's how Body Possession would work in comics but it would look ridiculous in Heroes, so maybe Peter's body is lying around somewhere) and that's it.
Trayton
maybe its a form of Nikki's power? Because as Nikki, she never really had powers until she learned to control Jessica's strength. I'm thinking Nikki could have a kind of body absorbing/placing power originally, and eventually was able to tap into her alter ego's power. So every soul or body whom she absorbs has a different power if she absorbs a metahuman: Jessica-strength, (whoever she was when DL died)-power nulling, Tracy - Cryokinesis.
Citizen
I liked how they had Milo portray Jesse in the gas station scene instead of Francis Capra. I guess the director did it because the audience would feel more for Peter not being able to help the gas station patrons instead of for a character we've only seen a couple of times.
GoldSeven
That said, I totally bought Capra doing Peter. (Must have been great fun for him too, I'd assume he's usually type-cast as more thuggish types?) He managed to get his features into just that "someone slap me, this can't be happening" look Peter does a lot. wink.gif
littlegothicgirl
Any speculation on the extent of the body switching power FPeter shows off?

any guesses on how it works? what else is involved? is it just a snappy hand movement and "poof" they are switched? what do you guy think?
Valazquez
Yeah, I think it' pretty much that simple. F_Peter sees who he wants to transport, does his little hadoken hand thing, and presto chango.
Citizen
I believe it does require a hand movement like with telekinesis or he can do it without any movement. He just takes someone somewhere, flicks his hand or something and the bodies are switched.

Also, I'd like to know what he did with Jesse and Present Peter's body.
Xodus
I can't wait to find out how he does it. I don't know if it's covered in the GN, which I just started reading a few days ago.
littlegothicgirl
QUOTE (Citizen @ Sep 29 2008, 04:04 PM) *
Also, I'd like to know what he did with Jesse and Present Peter's body.


I know! he had to have put him somewhere... the turtle maybe.. lol tongue.gif
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