The reporter who was hounding Nikki/Jessica/Stacey..he is WATERMAN!

Remember when HRG was asking where the painting were? "In the warehouse where we tagged the waterman..."

Nikki grabs him and is hurting him, he turns to ICE as a DEFENSE...that is why the camera panned on the ice so long...HE IS WATERMAN!

... It actualy makes sense.
I had the feeling that the ice was melting too...

..No way....


I just thought they were showing how the particles of the guys skin were dissolving.

Dude...that makes things make so much more sense now...

Good call Darth!

You guys can't be serious right now.

Wow.

Ooohh, I like what you're saying...
...and it shows that the real power she was using was still her super strength! hmm..

William Katt doesn't really look like the graphic novel version of Waterman to me...and I thought she froze him, personally. But there seemed to be some significance in watching him go down the drain. So I certainly won't rule out anything.

The reporter called her an 'ice queen' right before she grabbed him. I think they're suggesting that Tracy can freeze water (and water-based creatures, from the looks of it)...

In "The Line", they refered to the guy as the "liquid man", not the water man. He was featured in one of the graphic novels. Tracy (or Niki, or whoever the heck she is) froze him herself - hence her nickname "Ice Queen".

I was wondering all episode long if he was going to play a greater role (he did play "The Greatest American Hero" afterall). I thought the water/drain part was strange too. They lingered on it so long it had to be a clue.. but I ended up concluding that the long linger was just to give viewers a chance to wrap our heads around.

But it would be nice to see William Katt as a hero again.
Look here if you are not familiar with TGAH --> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081871/

If you look at the scene, her hand turns blue before any of the reporter does.

The shot of the melting ice going down the drain is suspicious, though, so I wouldn't exactly rule out waterman, but I would definitely say that based off of that and the whole "Ice Queen" bit, it's safe to say that nikki, or whoever she is now has freezing powers.

My thought was that each of her personalities has a different power. I mean, Jessica has super strength, so this one might have the ability to freeze things. Though the idea of "waterman" seems a lot more interesting.

I'd never thought about that. However, here's something obvious that people left out: look at the promotional photos. Tracy's shows her on an icy/ snowy background, an indication of her power and personality.

I'm pretty sure they said waterman because I saw that episode 2 days ago and remember saying out loud 'waterman?' My jaw just dropped when she froze him.

Wow, I never would've guessed this. I love this board.

If this is the case, than there's more GN character crossovers already.

What makes you think that, OP? Tracy froze him and he shattered into hundreds of pieces. How does that make you think that he is the "waterman" (Ivan says liquid man and your memory must suck if you can forget what a character says right after they say it)?

The only problem with this idea is that under his skin is actual frozen muscle and bone tissue. But I still wouldn't rule it out.

Makes sense. That would explain why the camera panned to the ice melting and the water running down the drain. He wasn't dead... he was escaping!

Doesn't make sense at all actually. -.-
They just showed a long view of tracy and how the ice melt into water before flowing down the drain.
Why not show the full effect if they bother to use the cool fx to make things happen after all?
If william cat had a bigger role then they wouldn't name him "reporter" and include him for one episode only as well.
He is not liquid man either and its obvious if you go at least by the looks.

Only part of the ice melted down the drain. The larger part stayed right where it landed.

He's dead and isn't coming back.

Pretty sure the long camera shot was for us to grasp that this man is dead and no evidence will be left behind, just flow down the drain and no one will ever find him.

You see her hand turn blue before he freezes leading me to believe that they were introducing her power.

Maybe Tracy's power is to turn people literally to ice? cuz if he was frozen, he'd be covered in white frost like molly's dad. but no, he was completely blue like an ice sculpture. the red on the inside was probably still inthe process of transition to ice when he broke apart.

FYI, Niki is dead. Tracy is a new character with a new power, not another incarnation of Niki. Tracy seemed rather surprized and shocked when she turned the reporter to insta-freeze. This made me think that it was the first time she had been threatened enough to have her power manifest. Also, it would appear that she has been working for the governer for quite some time. So, she didn't just crawl out of the woodwork as she would have if it had been another personality hidden in Niki that manifested after the explosion in the warehouse. She didn't have the ability to heal, freeze time or teleport so she was caught in that warehouse when it went at the end of Season 2 and she had to have died.

Now let us look at Angela's vision of the future where everyone is dead. Tracy was one of the people in her vision, along with Adam, Parkmans dad and one of the escapees from Level 5. So that should give us a hint as to how Tracy's power is going to effect her.

My 2 cents,
Randy

Then why the hell was she so insistent that he not run this story, and would kill him just to not let it get out, if she didn't think that it was anything other than a photoshop? And why the hell would they turn one major character into completely new one who looks the same but is not connected with the previous one at all? Especially a character who's whole purpose is to have split personalities? And considering her power is freezing cupcakes, couldn't Niki have turned into her right before she would have died and put it out and survived? Maybe she doesn't remember Nikki, but it is VERY unlikely they would be like "hey, we've killed off Nikki, but i like the actress so lets make a new character who looked just like her for no reason!" I mean what you're saying is theoretically possible, but unless you're one of the writers you just look very ignorant writing stuff like "FYI, Nikki is dead" as if it is 100% fact when most likely that is wrong.

On the waterman thing, I have to agree that its possible just because there was no real reason to pan to the ice turning into water and going down the drain if it wasn't significant at all. They didn't need to show he was going down the drain to show he was gone for good, I think his body shattering conveyed that pretty well without needing to pan down unless they were hinting at something else. Especially since this waterman has been mentioned before it makes it even more likley. They listed him as reported in the credits because he hasn't been given a name that was mentioned in the episode.

Hmm...maybe because he was going to run the story and link it to her bringing down both her and who she worked for??

Not to mention, HOW THE HELL would Nikki have managed to get this high level job IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS???

First, Niki is spelled with one "k". There's no Stacey, iirc. Niki/Jessica are not the same physical character as Tracey Strauss, although they are portrayed by the same actress. And Waterman? Do you mean this?

As said before, your quote's off. Again, Niki did not grab anyone.

Although, the only thing interesting is that the liquid did pour down the drain. (To everyone) Have you ever seen a hotdog that was dipped into liquid nitrogen, taken out and shattered? It is not all liquid after thawin'.

Meh.

Oh yeah, and I don't think the ice was Katt's character's defense...

Just my pair o' Zinc Linc's...

I mean, do you have any logical answer for why she would look identical to another character, who has a bunch of split personalities, yet no connection to her? I mean, murdering someone is pretty extreme to cover up a story that you believed to be utterly false. She seemed genuinely scared about him running it, which seems more like the reaction to someone running a true story about your past, rather than just extremely POed and asking why they would make it up/what they want, which would probably be her reaction if he was straight making cupcakes up. Killing someone in a parking over them running a story would be a very extreme reaction considering if someone saw her it would FANTASTIC up her campaign way more than any story, and if she believed the story to be genuinely completely false than she would probably be able to prove she was never in Las Vegas and have alibis and records of her being in politics at that time. People don't murder people over stories that would seem absolutely ludicrous (high up government worker was a stripper several months earlier) unless they think they have proof. Its very possible she doesn't remember the other personality, but her being a completely unconnected person to someone who looked exactly like her and has multiple personalities is unlikely.

And yeah, I agree with you Hero that turning to ice wasn't the reporters defense and it is Niki's power. But its possbile he can survive as water, just because that shot made it look significant. Maybe it wasn't, we'll know in a few days.

True. But water comprises most of the human body. Thus, there would be quite a bit that would stream away as it thawed.


Clones or another sibling. Either one works.


Well, it's not like she knew it was going to happen.


Remember the "swift boat" ads that lampooned Kerry's campaign? An attack that looks authentic stays when you're in politics. And it will kill any chance you have of doing anything.

Again, Tracy is not Niki. She's a completely new character, with a completely new ability.

Well, then, Synch, that was the only thing for me to maybe consider that Katt's character was some liquid man - that a regular frozen fellow wouldn't flow so much after thawing. If all of that liquid is somehow "the norm" when a person is so frozen, then I'd hafta disagree with the contention by the OP that the reporter is some "liquid man". Thanks for the help!



Well, maybe Tracey had some "Fight or Flight" sympathetic nervous system response which she didn't control?

I think that's been done in HEROES before...

I'm just saying I don't think its fact that shes not another personality yet. Theres a difference between a believable lie like Kerry's and one that would be very unlikely and easily refuted by showing she was never ever living in Vegas and would then ruin the journalists career, and you don't usually kill over the second one. She already had said she would destroy him if he ran it the first time he mentioned it, so it didn't really seem like complete BS to her. I know beeman said Nikki was dead, but he could have just been referring to her personality, not to mention what is said on a blog /= cannon. I agree its possible shes a new character, but I'm just saying it is in no way fact like the way people keep saying it is, unless there was something i missed you could point out proving it for sure isn't a personality. Again, we'll find out in a few days, I'm just trying to keep an open mind.

rofl
I wouldn't say it was the "norm"...because I don't know anybody that's been frozen. But, considering how much water and other liquid is actually in the body, I'd expect to see at least that much.

Give it some time. Tracy was just introduced and I'm pretty sure she'll be looking into her resemblance to Niki in the next few episodes. It's just a new mystery that has yet to be answered.


Didn't you see the look of surprise on her face when she froze him? She had NO idea that was going to happen.

Also, he's running a story about her looking a lot like an internet stripper and that could harm her political career.


The shot was there to show us what a person looking like Niki had just done.

Please, don't be rude. The forum rules specify that much, at least.

Secondly... there is a spoiler in a magazine article about it. The real truth of it is that they've decided to make Niki, Jessica, and Tracy a Company experiment with breeding super-powered beings. They're going to retcon the whole "Jessica and Niki aren't twins" and make the three of them triplets.

Check out the spoiler area if you don't believe me. You should be able to find it somewhere.

Yeah, I know she was suprised about killing him. But she was attempting some form of aggression, and her whole attitude both times didn't strike me as an innocent person being victimized by some fake story but rather someone scared of the truth getting out. Again, we don't know who she is yet and we don't know if the shot showing the water going into the drain for several seconds was significant yet. As of now, neither of us have any evidence to prove what were saying is correct or not other than pure speculation. No need to keep a closed mind and believe your theory is the only possible theory champ.

Aside from the fact that it's completely unbelievable for her to have been in an explosion less than two weeks ago but suddenly, with no history at all, be the senior adviser to a major politician?
Combined with there being absolutely no basis for the idea of someone manifesting a brand new power "just because"?


Umm...she didn't mean to kill him. In fact, she was horrified that it happened.
And, Kerry had proof after proof that the swift boat ads were false. They still torpedoed his chances of getting into the White House.


Of course she said that. He was linking her to a stripper-prostitute. That's not the kind of link she needs on her resume.


How about the explosion less than 2 weeks ago? Makes it kind of difficult since, even if Niki survived, she'd be in the hospital for an extended period of time.


Yeah. She grabbed his arm and tried to rip away the video he was showing her.

Yeah, because switching to a different personality that has the power became a ****** human fire extinguisher would have no benefit at all in helping her escape from a burning building.
And considering shes {edit--deleted}, that might have something to do with her gaining power quickly?
Again, I'm not saying this is 100% true. I'm just saying you don't know 100% that it is not a personality of Niki, unless you have time traveled to next Monday, do you? Considering how out there this show is, its possible someone with freezing powers could have gotten out of a burning building, especially since the show never specifically showed her dying, just the building blowing up?

I'm saying it's 100% untrue, because "random new abilities appearing just because" is directly counter to the show.

Yeah dude, she became a governer's lover and advisor after escaping the burning building, even though she was trapped and powerless. Real smart of you.

Why didn't I figure that out?

Boy, you guys get nasty sometimes.

I still say it was Tracy that has some form of cyrokinesis, and that he was not the liquid man...but I'm willing to accept the other theories.

Also, I think that the reporter was frozen not turned to ice, because when he "shattered", the chunky pieces looked bloody. But that just aids the cyrokinesis thought.

Has anyone considered the possibility that she has the freeze power and he is waterman? When you freeze the body it does not do what that guys did. Also when it melts your body is not transformed into CLEAR liquid.

I myself think she did not know she had the power. It is another personality of niki. When she froze him he being waterman froze like water does. I think we will be seeing more of our greatest american hero.

Please check my topic with pictures here under the spoilers section if you wanna see the real nikki.
You'll see that the people that say tracy is a different person are right.

As about water in the body, I can safely say that a friend of mine that is a police officer, were called with her partner to a house of a old lady.
The neighboors said "it stinks to the heaven in this appartment!". Fact was, the old lady died in a winter near her heating and her body started to decay (not sure if its the the right word so sorry if it isn't ).
The whole floor was covered with water that came out of her body and it stunk like hell (they had to wear masks to even be able to breath).

So as others said, its "normal" that after the freezing everything turned to water cause our body is totally filled with fluids.

LOL if you read the spoiler section on herosite it tells you tracy is niki.

- According to E!Online's Kristin Veitch, there is a "plan in place" for what will happen when the show returns. This plan will involve Kristen Bell (Elle) and David Anders (Adam), and it is heavily implied that both Adrian Pasdar (Nathan) and Ali Larter (Niki/Jessica) will be back. However, if/when Niki returns, it might not be with a familiar personality..


you people should do your homework.

And you know this because...why again?



Water, not just liquid.

Thus, it is perfectly rational to believe that there would be a large amount of clear liquid when the body was frozen and began to thaw.



1: You and Raekon both need to actually follow the rules about posting spoilers.
2: The spoilers regarding this are unreliable, as they contradict each other. Even Kristin has released contradictory information.

You ever freeze anything that went from a solid to a liquid? think not... There was not any solid mass in that ice it was just ice.

I'd have to rewatch, but I am pretty sure they didn't show the entire body melt...anything you thaw is going to leave water behind...not turn completely to water but at least leave some behind. I honestly don't think Niki is Tracy and you might as well give up trying to make Synch look stupid, he has too much fact to back his argument. Personally, I agree with the fact that if water comprises that large of a percentage of the human body, there would be plenty of water to melt away...in all honestly...there would at least be enough blood in the body to make that much liquid...but they were trying to push the fact that Tracy left no trace...and the fact that it is Network TV kind of prevents them from covering the floor of a car garage in a disgusting mixture of bodily fluids and blood...think about it...that's their clean way of showing she froze him completely through.

No!1 Its impossible that a major character all through the first two seasons' actress could come back and play that same character! Its clearly a CLONE! That makes sense!

Well, when that character blew up in a burning building...It is more feasible. Personally, I don't think she's a clone...but I don't think she's Niki either.

Yeah, I'm not saying shes not a new character. I'm just saying that there is absolutely no hard proof in the episode one way or the other, certainly not enough to say 100% shes a new character. If she is a new personality, its definitely plausible she could have survived the burning building with her new power. Sure, maybe its far fetched, but not any more so than her being a clone of Niki as Synch is saying when there's been no mention of cloning in the entire ****** series. I think its very possible shes a new person, its just weird that people are holding this as 100% irrefutable fact because she was shown in a building later shown blowing up in probably the least significant subplot of Heroes history. I just don't think they'd kill off one of the most major first season characters by having her try to rescue that dumb ****** St. Joan, who will never be seen again most likley, and failing and burning to death, off screen. If she was the new character, her dying could be easily explained away with her new power.

And I really can't disagree with anything you are saying. However, I do feel that bringing Niki back with another personality would make her character even more stale than it was last season. At least with the other theories it would be something new. However, as far as starting seasons similarly to ones from the past, I guess Nathan was rumored to be dead two seasons in a row now.(although personally I'm glad he's stuck around) I guess I'm more hoping than pretending to know. If Tracy is Niki, I hope they haven't forgotten the fact she has the Shanti Virus..and I felt that Niki dying to save St. Joan was more of a way for her to redeem herself and actually become a hero. She had done so many bad things as Jessica and was such a conflicted character that dying saving ANYONE would definitely redeem her. I honestly don't think the writers knew what else to do with her. She had grown rather flat in season two and if by some chance this new Tracy IS Niki...I hope she just stays as Tracy...the MPD is just too confusing.

Really? Nothing Solid? Funny. You were watching a different scene than I was. There was plenty of solid mass left.



We can make educated guesses based on what we saw.

1: Less than 2 weeks have passed since the explosion.
2: Tracy is the primary personal assistant for a powerful and important Congressman.
3: Her ability is, essentially, cryokinesis.

Those all cause problems with the idea of Tracy being Niki.

1: How did she survive the explosion?
2: Even if she survived the explosion, how did she escape without incapacitating injuries?
3: Assuming they somehow manage to answer that, how does a young woman with absolutely no resume, show up on the doorstep of a Congressman and, in less than 2 weeks, work her way to a position of authority and power?
4: Even assuming they can somehow manage to answer all of those problems, how on earth does she manifest yet another personality that, unlike any previous personality, has a completely new ability?

Tracy is not "Niki Under Another Name." Tracy is either Jessica (the real one that allegedly died), another sibling (possibly a twin/triplet/random number), or a clone/replica of some sort.