1) why wasn't sylar able to kill claire? The regeneration shouldn't matter, considering he killed her in five years gone. in s1
-also when he sylar was cutting open peters scalp in s1, it regenerated in front of his eyes. If this is the case than why was sylar able to take claire's scalp off?

It's not a plot hole...It's just a way to move on...If writers never used "plot holes" then Heroes would really be suckish...

And maybe Sylar just kept on cutting it as it regrew?

Claire herself didn't even understand. She is confused as what he meant by "Special...different". It is something I am sure they will be exploring soon.

It was never shown that Claire died. Just that her power was taken by Sylar.

And I'm not sure about the whole "You can never die" thing but still being able to die if your head's cut open or something gets stuck in your brain. Technically Claire/Peter/Adam/and now Sylar can die, but easily reversed. Maybe they're just not being very literal about it.

Sylar did it quickly with Claire as opposed to slowly with Peter, who I guess he just wanted to torture beforehand. Also, how do you know the same thing didn't happen with the FYG Claire?

Plus it's been a bit of time since sylar tried to open peter's head. He's probably saw that and realized that with a healer, he would have to put a telekinetic barrier in between the two pieces of scalp to be able to keep on cutting.

The bigger plothole is how she didn't end up with short hair. I think it would have been a nice addition to her feeling different all of a sudden.

Considering Hayden's new haircut, maybe shorter hair would have been appropriate for the 'new, different' Claire.

Only if Sylar felt the need to cut her hair too. He has telekinesis I can easily see how he managed to cut open her skull but not her hair.

I'm sure too. Look at how Parkmans abilities are evolving... from reading minds to being able to control them (I don't remember episodes that well, but someone told him that he can not only read minds, but control everything the brain controls.)



That's a very good theory, I just wish they had pointed little things like this out in the ep.

But in season 1 Sylar did cut Peters bangs as he passed the TK saw over Peters forehead... And in general, Sylar wasn't the neatest of serial killers.


It'd be hard to cut that neatly under hair, without damaging it.

maybe she can't cut het hair? maybe her hair regenerates..

Sylar was planning on killing Peter permatley(he probably got some pleasure out of cutting everything in his path of getting to brain). With Claire it looks like he wanted to see if she could survive it so he bothered to be a little neater be somewhat considerate in his sick way. Again, he's pretty darn good with his telekineisis I really can't imagine it being that much of a problem for him.

Is there anyway we can petition to have the phrases "plot hole" and "jumped the shark" banned from the site, thankfully haven't seen the shark comments since last season but plot hole keeps popping up and it's to the point were people aren't even using it properly. It's not a plot hole b/c Peter's bangs feel to the floor during his Sylar battle (sorry that was more of a storytelling device, boy to man) and Claire's hair remaining uncut. A plot hole is:

"... a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot.

While many stories have unanswered questions, unlikely events or chance occurrences, a plot hole is one that is essential to the story's outcome."

Claire's hair not being cut is in no way essential to the outcome of the story. Some people do point out legitamite plot holes but this is far from one, it's more of a nit-pick. Sorry just had to get it off my chest.

I thought this was the most ridiculous part of the first two episodes, and contradicts and makes a mockery of the whole 'save the cheerleader' story which was central to Season 1.

In 3.01 Sylar clearly says to Claire that she cannot die.

But in 'Five Years Gone', FHiro says that Syalr killed Claire and took her power.

What was the whole point of all Peter's and Hiro's crazy running around in Season 1 trying to 'Save The Cheerleader' if she cannot die?

Surely if she cannot die then there would have been no need for FHiro to visit Peter in the train and tell him to save Claire.

The whole thing is ridiculous. First time I've felt let down by the show's writers. Hopefully not a sign of what's to come for Season 3, more non-sensical writing which contradicts the previous Seasons

Oh, for god's sake...

Back when Sylar killed Claire (at Homecoming) he didn't realize he could keep her alive. He wasn't completely comfortable with his ability at that point.

Now, he can.

Huh, that's profound. Season One saw the personal development of all the heroes, but a lot of us overlooked Sylar's development - he did kill his own mom, after all.

I think it's not clear whether FSylar did kill FClaire in S1. And if Hiro said it, well he's been wrong before. And anyway, we know that Claire and others can be temporarily killed, so maybe Sylar did kill her, but there was potential for her to be brought back to life still (if someone could get to her).

Sylar would not have had to cut Claire's skull open really fast to achieve his effect, or use a TK block. Peter was able to stop Sylar from cutting his head open only because Peter also has TK. Then his head healed. Claire could not have done this, because she does not have TK.

I actually imagine that Sylar is very careful always when he cuts skulls open, considering he wants to study the brains underneath them. I don't even think he was sloppy with Peter, the bang was just in the way.

I think the point about the hair was trivial. The writers were not going to have Claire cut her hair for this scene, especially considering it's kind of a trademark. They have the "Panetierre" cut in Sims.

I agree it would have given her some kind of physical scar of the incident. But I think the whole idea of the writers was that she didn't have any physical scars, that the damage that was done was in her mind (mental), not physical.

After thinking about all the times Claire has gotten hurt in the past seasons, her healing ability is very delayed, especially compared to Peter's. Maybe she was too far injured at the point Sylar was messing with her head for her to begin healing. It seemed like she was on the brink of death before Sylar put her scalp back on. If I'm worng, then so be it, but I think it makes sense.

A physical scar, for someone like Claire, is impossible.

My thoughts:

Even if he managed to slice it off, shouldn't it just grow back like her toe?

The skull bone? Eventually, but it's more material to generate, and would thus take more time.

Aren't hair dead cells that doesn't regenerate (except if you have the ability one of the agents had that could grow his hair ) ??

He definately cut her hair with it.

As about the "you cannot die" thing, it's obvious that they did the whole thing only to give him regen without killing her thats all.

No matter how much we might argue about this, he was able to kill her and they proved it on 5YG and before (the
whole hiro/peter thing mentioned).

I'm kinda sure that he also wouldn't bother to help her regenerate but would rather make sure she is dead.

Now all of sudden "oooh I can't kill you even if I wanted to".

Next will probably come the line "hey niece! Uncle Sylar is back, lets go buy ice cream".
Craptastic!

that is why I would have thought they would have said it in hair, something visible, but not exactly covered by her abilities. But as I said, I think the entire idea was that the scar was emotional, that she looks fine, but doesn't feel fine.

I hate how people keep saying that because of this Peter and Hiro running around in S1 was pointless.

If you actually think for a second you would realize that Sylar would have blown up NYC if they didn't.. I mean wasn't that the real point of S1? This is also what pushed Peter to learn his ability and get involved. If FHiro hadn't gone back Peter would probably still be sitting with some old man/woman before they die.

As for the "I couldn't kill you if I wanted to." I am still trying to figure out where that is going.

Sylar ripped Claire's brain out in Dark Future Versions 1.0 and 1.1. He didn't in do that in S03E01.

Fantasy line as Sylar cuts Claire's hair - "Shave the cheerleader, shave the world".

Ah, I'm not dead serious with this, or calling it a plot-hole Granted, it's a nit-pick. it's fun to discuss though.

Yup that is the difference, if her brain is taken out or destroyed she won't recover. I think Sylar putting the top of her head back on was more for curiosity than anything else, he has her power now so I doubt it bothers him if she is alive or not. Adam said it to Peter as well just after killing Victoria that there is no coming back from having your head taken off. Also if you look at Angela's dream she dreams Claire is killed when Knox beheads her.

The save the cheerleader save the world had nothing to do with keeping claire alive or dead. It was to stop Sylar from getting the power so that he could be killed. Which they failed to kill him of course.

Actually, it was to stop him from regenerating after being stabbed while exploding.

He got stabbed. He didn't regenerate. Mission succesfull

when Sylar said that claire is special and she cant die. it's different to Adam's dying.
Technically adam can die, if you put a bullet through his head no?
so if a similar situation happened to claire, i supposed she would not die?

The only way to permanently kill an immortal is to either completely destroy the brain, or remove the entire head.
And Claire is just as susceptible. (During S1 she died when a stick lodged in her skull.)

Sylar got it wrong.

She's being depressed.. not turning gay.

Or were we thinking along different lines?

Has anyone given any thought to the fact that Sylar is a Bad, Evil man? He's Probably lying. He realized he could take her power without killing her, so he did just that. Then he disables her pain receptors and tells her that there's no way she can die. Essentially he wants her to feel inhuman. He wants her to be evil like him. Ironically, I think it may have an opposite effect.

Remove Claire's brain and she's dead. I'm assuming that in season 1 Sylar probably removed everyone's brain to inspect it. Now he knows that he doesn't HAVE TO remove everyone's brain. So, he didn't remove Claire's, which is why she was able to stay alive.

But then... that goes against what Sylar said about not being able to kill her even if he wanted to.

Let's separate what a character says is true and what actually is true. Technically, taking her brain away or beheading her makes her "dead", but as soon as you reconnect them to the body she would regenerate. Thus, she can't die in the sense that she always has the possibility of coming back, but that doesn't necessarily mean she will.

Also, let's not mistake Sylar's words for gold. He could be lying to himself, saying that they both can't die because he wants it to be true. In either case, we'll just have to watch the show to prove or disprove his statement, hmm?

No, actually she wouldn't.

Once removed from the blood stream, the brain would also die. Without one or both parts in working order, regeneration would be impossible.

I forgot about that bit. Darn our need for blood..

Yeah. Little important.

(PS: Empty your PM box. lol)

I honestly forgot. That's so sad.

(PS: PM box emptied!)

I think the writers would ignore this little bit of science. So, I think TD was right about her being able to regenerate if the head was reattached (in terms of the show).

Maybe, but I kind of doubt it.

Again, we have Sylar's word for "can't die."

We have Victoria, Angela and Adam all saying No Head=Permanently Dead.

Maybe Sylar was just using a figure of speech. "I couldn't kill even if I wanted to" might not mean litterally. Maybe he likes her?

He probably likes her in the sense that she is "special", like him.
Which could potentially explain why he said he couldn't kill her even if he wanted to (only the wanting-to part): he must think she is worthy of her gift, since, after all, he started taking powers from "undeserving" people; so he believes Claire to be worthy of her gift.

And most likely the "you can't die" is not literal, but almost, since their regenerating powers make it very difficult for them to die. Well, I'm still expecting the upcoming episodes to explore on that particular line, but that's my take until then. Only under the extreme circumstances mention above, in which both Angela and Adam said that brain gone = dead. (and I think we can trust this guy, he's had the ability for over 400 years... although he has never really died, so how could he know? hmm...)

Anyhow, I think the most plausible theory is that in FYG Claire got killed because her brain got taken, so it doesn't have to ruin the "Save the cheerleader, save the world" theme, now that we know she was in danger of dying via brainlessness, which Sylar avoided now.

Nicely wrapped up Celia, if I do say so myself.

See, what bothers me is that we have Sylar, the man with an intuitive understanding of powers, and the ability to understand them even better the the original owner saying she can't die. Not "I won't kill you", but "even if I wanted to kill you, I couldn't." I hate it when people just assume that whenever they disagree with what is said "That person MUST be lying". The writers put it in there, they probably had a reason, especially when it is coupled with her newfound lack of pain.

On the other hand, we have Adam and Angela, both fairly familiar with Regeneration, saying a headshot will do ya. Adam just seems to be guessing (unless he shot another regenerator in the face and saw what happened), and Angela seems to be going off of her experience with Peter and the glass shard. Both have no experience with Claire, and since this ability to not feel pain is new, why not lump in the "new power" that you could put her brain through a blender and pour it back in her head, and she would still be ok?

Out of everyone, Sylar seems to know powers best, and he spent a good long time picking Claires brain, so shouldn't he be the guy to ask? Maybe the reason she died in the two other futures is because her power hadn't evolved enough yet? Maybe by delaying her scalping, even though it was inevitable, they actually did save her?

Of course, he might be trying to make her THINK she is invincible/immortal. He is kind of twisted like that. Mama's boy, through and through.

Her powers CAN evolve you know to a point where even beheading her and removing her brain dont really kill her..
once you place everything back she'll regenerate again...

The same couldnt be said for Adam Monroe... We still havent see a scene where his brain is damaged or beheaded and he can revive after the object is removed or his head is placed back together...

And everytime something got into the brain of Claire or Peter(who has claire's powers)... THEY DIDNT DIE... If they're truly dead then we wouldnt be seeing them now would we?
They might be temporary in a false dead condition but not truly dead... other "immortals" might really die the instant their head is cut off/brain is damaged but not Claire... There is a "way back" for her...