If Peter loves his brother then why didn't he just go back a little further and tell Nathan what happens after the announcement instead of putting a cap in him. I think the writers are messing up a bit.Don't get me wrong I love the show but the writers messed up Mohinder and peter a little.

I'm hoping we'll get an explanation. Future Peter is so powerful, I can't imagine the writers just forgot that there were probably between six and fifty ways he could have prevented the truth from coming out in more Nathan-friendly ways. My take is that he tried other things first, and only shot Nathan as a last resort.

My inclination is to agree with GoldSeven. He can't really use any of his power on Nathan during the speech, because it was at a press conference. Shooting Nathan with lightning, or even using Telepathy to command him to stop would have run kind of counter to the point of his action. And I can see him going back to either his past self or past Nathan and saying "don't do this," but given the state of mind Nathan was in at the end of last season ("No more secrets, it ends now"), do you really think he'd listen?

I do know that for Peter in any time, shooting Nathan would have been not only a last resort, but an act of complete desparation.

~PbN.

Hm, I guess his former self being there would make that difficult, yes. If it hadn't been for present Peter, fPeter could just have stopped time, taken Nathan aside, talked to him, put him back, and nobody would have missed a beat. On the other hand, he was fairly quick to take care of pPeter as it was. He could just have stored him "someplace safe" and told Nathan not to blab.

fClaire's "It's too late" could imply that there have been a few attempts of Peter's to change the past. fPeter could have done so many things. If they don't explain why on earth he thought shooting Nathan would do the trick, I'll be disappointed.

My guess is Peter figured shooting Nathan / killing him would make so that no one would want to speak out.

This, I agree with most. He might had also spent some years blaming Nathan for the state of things, so who knows.


I just think that fPeter is too rash making decisions again. He doesn't have all the facts (again). Only after shooting Nathan he tries to figure out what happened/will happen (by making a string room like fHiro had)...

I think the answer to this question is in episode 2, the butterfly effect. When Future Peter reveals himself to nathan, nathan asks him if in the future he becomes a senator. Peter responds by telling him that his future was different but that Peter had stopped that future from happening. This might suggest that Nathan may have been evil in the future, hence Future Peter deciding to time travel and shoot him.

I also noticed a very poignant silence where we would have expected fPeter to tell Nathan what happened to him in the future.

Something's definitely not right there.

I agree with G7: they will have to address fPeter's reasons. There is no way the Peter as we know him would shoot Nathan if there is another possibility. And I don't see the character moving that far from his origins.

One thing that seems interesting to me is that it's Claire, who is confronting Peter - she might be the only person as important to him as Nathan. Her fate may be one of the few things driving fPeter to what he did.

However, I liked the way fPeter came clear about everything with Nathan and asked for his forgiveness.

Why do they need to address the reasons? Camps, testing, Claire turned dark.. The future's a very black place, and stopping Nathan from revealing what happened is the only way to stop it. Unfortunately, that means killing him. (Remember what Kaito told Hiro? About having to be willing to cut out his heart?)

lol, it's impossible to keep all the possibilities in mind with so many characters on the lose and so many abilities on the playing field. Kind of what happened to Harry Potter: JKR simply forgot what she had made up - if only temporarily - and thereby complicated matters to the point of absurdity.

It's just not Peter.

It's like in Buffy season 5 when killing Dawn seems the only way to stop Glory and Buffy still refuses to do so (Dawn's her sister for all among who are not familiar with the series). That was the only right thing for the character to do.

It's part of the beauty of the character that he's bound to his emotions and Nathan might be the closest person of all to him. I don't see him moving that far from how we know him. And if he does, I want a damn good explanation for it. "You caused a terrible future" ist not a good explanation. As some users before me already have pointed out there were dozens of possibilities to stop Nathan that would have let him intact.

That's actually the entire point. It's not the peter we know. He's been through 4 years of hell on earth. Because of his brother, he's been tortured, imprisoned, experimented on...he's seen friends die under these conditions...

It's all in that explanation he gave Claire at the beginning.

Yeah its like the holocaust of specials.

Actually many writers do this perfectly without making the mistakes. But doe not really matter. Its still a great show.

I agree. The present Pete would never kill his brother. The basic element of his character is love for others. Something must have happened to future Pete that made him so bitter.

And that's what I want them to explain to me. We're talking about an intense change of the basic principles of Peter's character here.

From some of the previews of other episodes it seems there might be some more future scenes where they will possibly show what happened to him.

For all we know in the future Nathan could of betrayed Peter, just look at Hiro and how his perception of Ando has changed since he saw him in the future, Peter has probably been through hell and might hold him responsible for that. Also if he does come to see Nathan present peter will be there and I think he would want to avoid a confrontation or even meet him at all costs. Nathan is a strong person and him coming back and having a friendly conversation isn't guaranteed to work, he wanted to take him out and make sure he didn't get a chance to tell anyone even later on hence why he was willing to shoot at him again in the Church. When Nathan goes on about god and angels I think Peter realises he won't be opening his mouth anytime soon.

It's one of the questions I submitted to Behind the Eclipse. We'll see if they answer it Monday.

You know what though... perhaps fPeter realizes that, if he tampers with time prior to when Nathan convinced Peter that Adam was using him, he could throw off the timing of events that led to him catching the vial at the last second. The press conference might be the earliest point at which he figured he could stop Nathan without risking others' lives with the virus.

Oh, nice one. Good catch.

I guess I didn't see the problem. The future was horrible enough, and F_Peter's life had been tortured enough, that killing his brother in order to prevent it from happening was a sacrifice he was willing to make.

Do we really need to know the exact reasons for it?

I'm intrigued by that future, to say the least. I'd love to see some of it. How Claire became what she was, probably most of all.

I guess we have a different perception of what Peter's character actually is about.

Not really. I completely agree that the Peter we know wouldn't do that.

But F_Peter is clearly not the Peter we know. I don't particularly care how he got that way- the fact that he did means the future is blacker than we realized and needs to be prevented.

*facepalm* That would explain a lot! Especially since the conference was almost directly after the vial almost falling and Present Peter was with Nathan the whole time.. They REALLY need to mention this on the show. Hell, Nathan should have asked FPeter "and why did you have to shoot me?!"

Actually, I'm fine with him not asking. He was just too confused. He'd just been dead, then presumably seen God, then seen a man who he thought had been dead for months, then been visited by a woman he got laid once who had no clue who he was, then was told by his brother that he was actually a different version of his brother and he'd shot him.

I don't think I'd have been able to think of anything to ask. I liked that moment too - Peter asking Nathan's forgiveness and Nathan just ignoring the plea.

Why?
You, and others, just pointed out how obvious it was. Why do you need the show to actually tell you what you just saw?

Because most people aren't as obsessive as us lol And it would be nice for at least Nathan to know that his brother shooting him was a last resort. Unless they want to start some trust issues between Nathan and PPeter the way they have with Hiro and Ando.

see my personal view was that he knew he could resurrect nathan in the hospital. He seemed to not be all that upset when he came up to his brothers lifeless corpse. I mean 4 years in the future you don't think he either knew he had linderman's power or he ran into someone else that had it?

This also is my main reason for him wanting to be in the operating room so bad. Think about it, how easy would it be for you to kill someone if you knew you could save them later?

He came back to kill Nathan, not to let him live.

He didn't resurrect Nathan. Someone else did.

What I'm gonna say has to do with the preview that was shown after the show, so I dunno if anyone is here who hasn't seen it or not. Anyways, spoiler alert with tags.

So yeah, we see in the preview that Future Claire is in a hospital type of room with Present Nathan. She says she's going to make him feel all the death and pain he helped cause. Obviously Future Claire is cracked out of her gourd and is attacking Present Nathan for something he hasn't done yet. What I'm getting at is that, maybe Claire came back to the past somehow, revived Nathan, and is now wanting to get revenge on him. She saved him just so she could kill him herself.

Just an idea. What do you guys think?

Or he did without meaning to.

I just had an idea/speculation on why Peter would think shooting Nathan was a valid option. He talks about camps and experiments twice, to fClaire and to Nathan, in the latter case with such hatred that I'm sure either Claire, Peter, or Nathan himself (somebody he really cares for) was "used" in one of those camps. If that was the case, particularly if it was Nathan himself, Nathan dying would be preferable.

On second thought, probably not Claire, as in that case he wouldn't have had to ask her what had happened to her and how she'd come this far.

My problem with that is where he could have encountered the ability. He never met Linderman after he manifested...

I have seen this theory somewhere else but don't you think this is a circle argument? Going back to kill him in order to spare him from a horrible fate that would be prevented if he succeeded with his assassination?

I'm obviously in the camp that wants a better explanation for Future Peter's motives because I can't see any version of Peter killing Nathan.

Twin: If it was not his first attempt to fix things, that would make sense. fClaire's "It's too late" allows that interpretation IMHO. We'll just have to see.



Why would that be Linderman's ability? I still don't subscribe to the idea that Linderman could bring back the dead - he could heal. And even if Linderman could also resurrect, if Peter never absorbed Linderman's ability, there's no reason why there shouldn't be somebody else who could do it. There are two people with flight. There are two people with telepathy. There are two people with regeneration. And it sure looks as if there are two people with freezing, and two with sound manipulation. Four years in the future, God knows what other people fPeter has met - if he was being held in a camp - or went near one to get somebody out, maybe - he'd have absorbed enough powers to worry about coma again. And I strongly doubt he would know about each of the abilities he has absorbed. It does seem that he is a lot more efficient mastering the abilities he knows about, but he can't possibly know about all he's ever encountered, especially not more recent ones.