**Warning Long Post**

Theory 1:
My first thought was that Lindermen must have healed himself after D.L. "killed" him, and then somehow gained the power to be invisible. The idea of gaining a new power is not out of the realm of possiblity if Tracey is in fact Niki, then the possiblity of gaining new powers is there. However, I don't think Tracey is Niki.

Theory 2:
Lindermen is a figment of Nathan's imagination, or is a second personality similar to the Niki/Jessica relationship. This could be, but doesn't explain how Nathan healed himself.

Theory 3:
Lindermen is actually Peter. We know Peter has the ability to change his appearance and be invisible. However, there are two problems with this. How is he able to only reveal himself to Nathan? Claude Raines and Peter were able to do this, but they both had the power to be invisible. The other problem is, to my knowledge, Peter never had contact with Lindermen, but he could have learned about him sometime during the missing four years in the future. I like this theory the most because of Peter's motives. He is in the past to try to "fix" things. This could be a way of having direct control over his brother, and Nathan's position of authority may be a another way for Peter to try change the future.

What do you think? Comments, thoughts, or other theories?

1. DL squashed his brain. Life ceased to exist instantaneously at that point. It is not possible he could have healed himself.

2. This is the only thing that people have said I agree with so far.

3. Peter can only use one power at a time. No way for him to be Linderman and invisible. Unless he has some crazy tech from the future...

Methinks that Nathan was dead for too long, and a few of his brain cells got fried.

And it's TRACEY not STACY.

(I hope I spelled it right?)

Lindermen is actually Peter?


*leaves snickering to self*

Hmmm...

I believe that f.Peter messed up Nathan's brain, using Matt/Maury's power, and brought him to life using Linderman's simualtaneously. In order to keep Nathan from talking after recovering, Peter changed some stuff in the Brain, possibly damaging it. And that Linderman is subconscoius 'imprint' of Peter using his power. Crackpot? Perhaps.

Kewk: Peter can in fact use multiple powers simultaneously, and we've already seen proof of that:

In Five Years Gone, he pulls a glass towards himself with telekinesis while sitting invisible in a chair.

There's also the episode where Simone gets shot. If you watch the trajectory at which the paint cans are flying towards Isaac while Peter's invisible, there's no way he's physically throwing them. So it's pretty likely he's using telekinesis there.

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I personally think that Linderman is a figment of Nathan's imagination, but I can't imagine why it would be Linderman of all people, and it seems he knows things that Nathan wouldn't so he can't be -entirely- imaginary... and I also can't explain how Nathan came back to life if Linderman isn't really there, because Peter never met Linderman before he died and it stands to reason that future Peter didn't either (though he may have met someone else with the same power in those 4 years)

My bad.




So, Lindermen must be Ned I suppose?

lol.

That's what I was thinking!

You're lucky I read the Ned thread before I checked for replies on this one, or I'd have been like "huh?" but now I know what you guys are talking about.

if you pay attention to Linderman's intro, right before he appears you hear a door close sound, which means FPeter has just left. At least that's what Tim Kring says in the episode commentary for the scene.

Ned must die. His influence has spread too far.

And Trihan!?

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"Linderman" may be a part of Nathan's subconscious maybe? His brain using Linderman as a representation of a part of himself, kinda like how Nathan kept seeing his scarred face in the mirrors?

Oooooh! Or maybe Maury's around and we don't know it? -shrugs-

My theory: Peter healed Nathan and Nathan sees this as a 2nd chance from God. He knows Linderman had the ability to heal organisms so he chose him as someone who could be with him in his mind and guide him along the way.

Maybe they're going with an actual religious angle... Linderman is God or an angel in a familiar form.

Whatever the explanation turns out to be, my feeling is that Linderman is 1) not a ghost, 2) not a hallucination, and 3) not suddenly alive again. There will be some explanation that avoids dabbling in the supernatural, while keeping Nathan sane and Linderman dead.

With both Linderman, and Tracy/Niki, we have to keep in mind the newly-introduced ability of placing one person's consciousness in another person's body. We may be seeing Linderman and Niki's bodies, but in either case it could be someone else inside.

Surely Linderman's body would be in no fit state for such a thing!

Or Niki's, for that matter.

Tracy seems to have been around for a while if she's having a sexual affair with the governer and is aware of Nathan's political history, so I doubt her story has something to do with Future Peter's ability.

Wrong Peter can use multiple powers at a time as he has done in the past.

Name me one time. I may have forgotten something, but I really don't think he has.

I stand corrected... from heroeswiki "After Peter first discovered his powers, he generally used one power at any given time. As he gained greater control over his ability, Peter demonstrated that he was able to access multiple powers at once."

The key is "generally." At least twice he has used TK and Invisibility together, when he was in the presence of neither Claude nor Sylar.

1: In the scene where Simone was killed. Peter was invisible and was using TK to throw paint cans.
2: In 5YG, Peter was invisible and used TK to pull over a shot glass.

I know what's making Nathan see Linderman -- Morphine!

I think it is a hallucination or 'vision', it ties in with Nathan's sudden religious angle, and there really isn't any plausible explanation for how Linderman could actually be alive...

Although I agree with you (as do most these days I would've thought), I never really did agree that he used TK to throw the paints cans. I watched that scene a few times back when it originally aired because everyone had this very discussion, and the cans moved in a shallow arc as if they were thrown by hand.

Current Peter can only use one power at a time, there is a chance future peter has developed his powers to multi task.

Linderman was killed at end of season 1. I agree with that. Noah bennet was dead, a bullet went through his brain. I agree with that aswell. Also It's a shame no one can travel back in time to pull Linderman to the present or anything..

My theory is that Future peter healed Nathan. And Mauri Parkman is creating the illusion of Linderman in Nathan's Head.

That was my impression too, and like you, I can't say why or what might be the explanation. But Linderman is not alive, and Nathan is not bonkers. (I hope.)

I actually love the idea of Linderman being another future Peter. I do think it might be too far-fetched, but in one of my all-time favourite time travel stories, there are two versions of a person... at least you think so, until the very end, when it becomes clear that there was a third one around, well-disguised, who was the solution to everything. So cool.

We have all seen fPeter use more than one power at same time. When he flew in to rescue Claire from the train he was disguised at pPeter while at the same time flying and then he teleported away after their convo while still disguised.

Cool how fPeter really flaunts his powers, isn't it? Whenever we try to prove that present Peter can use multiple powers at any given time, we quickly find that we can't, whereas with fPeter, he keeps using several whenever we see him...

I have not seen anyone reference when Peter and Mr.Duvax Devax(sp) had the conversation in the roof Mr.D could hear Peter and then I think he could see Peter.

Could this be like that? I am not sure how Linderman could pull it off though. Do we know who Peter got that ability from? (Mama Petrelli maybe?)

I would think that Angela Petrelli's power has been established to be prophetic dreams beyond any doubt now.

Linderman's power was healing, I can't see how that might extend to anything resembling Charles Deveaux's power. Even if it was, Peter was aware of what Charles did because others' powers work differently on him than on others (he's either immune to or included in the effects). This isn't true for Nathan.

I suggest rewatching the scene when Nathan comes back to life.

Before kissing his forhead, F. Peter says something like "it shouldn't end like this", and then deliberately moves his hand to Nathan shoulder and keeps it there until Nathan jerks up. F.Peter's "surprise" may just have been at how Nathan jerked up so suddenly, meaning he may have only been expecting a gasp of air or something.

Then, he leaves the room and Linderman is there. I have no theory on that, but F. Peter has acquired quite a few powers in 4 years, and he's been known to jump through time and switch souls around.

I think that it is Maury behind the scenes messing with Nathan's head and persuading him to gain power as a senator using the image of Linderman because he was so effective persuading Nathan before. I think it is a part of some diabolical scheme of Maury and perhaps Adam.

You mean to say fPeter resurrected Nathan on purpose?

Sorry, you need to explain why on earth he would shoot Nathan first, then resurrect him, then prepare to shoot him again in the chapel, and then relent when he realises Nathan isn't going to tell the truth.

I'm 100% certain fPeter had no idea he could resurrect people.

Illdwill: Maury! Now there's an elegant solution. We know Maury's back, we know Maury's still bad, and he's been a manipulative b*stard before. I love that idea. I'll officially embrace it. Thanks!

"Deveaux." I brought this up in another thread. That was a sort-of-flashback/dream, sort-of-real moment Peter had with Charles, whereas Nathan seems fully awake when he's talking to Linderman.

I'm only saying that what he did with Nathan looked deliberate. He wouldn't have had to resurrect Nathan if the doctors were able to save him. Nathan's leaving the hospital and going to the church wasn't part of F. Peter's plan either.


You should be careful with being 100% certain of anything with show. Watch the scene again. It sure looked deliberate. Peter didn't react with "Oh my God! You alive!". Rather, he seemed to be expecting it.

If I'm 100% certain I can still be wrong. It's just my opinion.

fPeter, after Nathan had sat up, looked rather dazed to me. Too surprised to react much more. Plus, I've read that Milo plays fPeter and pPeter differently; fPeter appears more "battle-hardened" and wouldn't be thrown as much as pPeter. I'd put it down to that.

Can anyone give me 1 concrete reason to believe that it was not Linderman? Other than the fact that he's apparently dead?

Because nothing else makes sense. Certainly, believing it's F_Peter doesn't make any sense.

With Linderman, I struggle with the "how." With F_Peter, I'm stumped on the "why."

Allow me to put it this way.. he put his hand on Nathan's shoulder, and kept it there, and waited, until Nathan came back to life. Is that what people do when standing next to their recently dead siblings, after waiting all that time for doctors to fix them?

I appreciate the "battle weary" take on FPeter, but please, watch it again.



Peter didn't necessarily want Nathan dead, he just didn't want him going public about their powers. Once Nathan gave him the spiel about being angels, Peter's need to stop him abated.

Thats true, but Peter has the ability to teleport, but if Kring says he left... then again he could be just trying to throw us off by emphasizing the fact he left.

I agree that Nathan is hallucinating Linderman. Still have no clue as to how Nathan lived. You think that there might be some sort of delayed healing ability because of Adam giving him blood?? That there is still some left in him and that's how he survived?? I'm probably wrong but just an idea.

When reviewing the episode I realized something. Who left the suit for Nathan? It was probably whoever the Lindermen person is. But then Peter seemed surprised to find Nathan gone from his hospital room. Maybe I'm over analyzing the suit thing.

The suit was really conspicuous all of the time, wasn't it? I noticed that too.

There is no concrete reason to believe it was or wasn't. All we can do is speculate about what might be going on. It could be a Maury Parkman illusion. If it IS him, and the question is HOW, then maybe Linderman's consciousness was saved by whoever has the ability to put one consciousness in another body. Linderman's consciousness in a host body uses his ability to heal his own dead body, then his consciousness is transferred back into his own revived body. Of course this only works if the ability comes with the consciousness during the transfer, as opposed to staying with the dead body.

Well, considering that the last time Peter saw him, Nathan was dead, a bit of surprise is understandable.

No, the last time Peter saw him was after he kissed his forehead and Nathan sat up suddenly. Wasn't it?

Yeah. I think perhaps the Company did put a copy of Linderman's personality into Nathan, the same way Jessica was put inside Niki... I sent that question in to CBR's Behind the Eclipse yesterday, so we might get an answer on Monday (though it might not be a straight one...).

Jessica was put inside Niki?

Now that we know the ability exists to put one person's consciousness into another person's body, some of us are beginning to reconsider the true nature of the Niki/Jessica situation. We're thinking it may be this ability, and not multiple personality disorder as we were lead to believe.

I have watched it a few times. It really looks like Peter is shocked. He may have done something unconsciously but just watching the scene it doesnt look like he meant to. I also cant recall Peter ever meeting Linderman to "absorb" his power. The best explanation is that the transfusion from Adam had lingering effects and brought him back.

It also appears obvious that Peeder created Linderman to "keep an eye" on Nathan while Peter is running around screwing up the timeline. Nathan was getting pretty batty and Linderman is reeling him in. It could be a delusion of Nathans as well. He just saw god and the then sees who he percieves as the devil.

I swear I saw Maury in Mama Petrillis dream so it could be him and not Peter creating linderman

oh, so they just put Gina, who isn't even a real person, inside of niki too?

I was Maury in Angela's dream, yes.

I've just watched the scene again, too. Peter flinches, stares, and then, immediately, the cut to the title. There's no time for any more of a reaction. I still think he was completely shocked by Nathan sitting up.

How do we know that? "That one summer" Niki started calling herself Gina could have taken place after some real person named Gina was absorbed into Niki... maybe. If I'm right about these being other real people's consciousnesses in Niki's body, Niki herself obviously doesn't realize that's what's going on. Niki's own assessments of her own behavior should probably be regarded as less credible than those of whoever is actually responsible for the state she's in.

I will admit the Gina thing casts a teensy bit of doubt on this idea, but I don't think it totally destroys it. Time will tell...