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faustxxx
There are lots of answers as to why Angela showed Elle the door.

1) She was being bluntly honest and didn't want Elle around at all.

2) Angela needed Sylar to work for them and obviously after killing Elle's father it would be bad for them to in the same building together.

3) Angela dreamt that by firing her that Elle would do something independently that would help the company, save the world and/or save her own life from Sylar.

Mainly, what does eveyone else think Elle will do next?
kwister
maybe it's because mama petrelli was trying to protect elle in a way? she saw the scars on elle's forehead.
she wouldnt want another of the 12's children getting sylar-ed. so perhaps she sent her away to prevent her from her eventual murder by sylar. i think that's the best i can think of.

she was being cold and blunt perhaps because she didnt like elle personally already or she wanted to be firm so that elle wouldn't pester her and go all soft? hahaha! biggrin.gif
Synch
QUOTE (faustxxx @ Sep 28 2008, 04:59 AM) *


The possibility you didn't mention is the one I'm leaning toward.

Angela was taking a "tough love" approach. Firing Elle, kicking her out of the Company, is Angela's way to force Elle to "grow up," become independent and stop looking for approval. Once she's done that, she can be brought back into the Company because she'll actually have something to offer.

(Let's face it, if there wasn't an ulterior motive of some sort, Angela would have her locked up. Elle's a loose canon.)
jryan1027
You know, I never thought about the whole "Sylar will kill you Elle." Theory. She's a powerful individual and after she knocked Sylar on his butt like she did, he's going to want revenge and her power. If Angela had said "Elle, he will kill you." She is so bent on proving herself that she would have stuck around and shown Angela she can handle him. However, Synch's theory is good too...maybe a returning, much more mature Elle, with a better grasp for what she is capable of will return later this season with a vengeance?!
conspiracytheory
I'm tempted to think that it was a lame way for the writers to get Elle out of the picture for a few weeks. We know that Kristen Bell is only scheduled to appear in a handful of episodes this season. Whatever the reason for that, she must not appear in these next few, so they just had Mama P kick her out of the house.

As for what I think Elle will do next, the three musketeers (Mohinder/Maya/Molly) still owe her that life debt. Maybe the writers don't plan to have her cash in on that, but it's something to think about. In the end I think her arc this season will end with another showdown with Sylar. I know she'll be looking for him in order to exact revenge for the death of her father, but Sylar will probably have her power on the brain (no pun intended) for a while after the beating she gave him - maybe he'll come looking for her, as well.
jryan1027
QUOTE (conspiracytheory @ Sep 28 2008, 12:50 PM) *


I agree with the writers wanting a way to write her off for a while. However, they will cover their bases when it comes to Mama P's reasoning. I never thought about her saving Mohinder and company but I REALLY hope they don't have Sylar kill her off for her abilities. I have had a strange feeling from day one that Noah kind of had a soft spot for Elle, seeing in her what could have happened to Claire. It always seems that he is the one she goes to when she is scared, something goes wrong or she wants information. Here's hoping HRG won't let his newfound partner pick her off if it comes down to it and Elle may return to a bigger part in S4? Afterall, Angela was originally a guest star too!
SuperT
What use does Angela have for Elle now that she has Sylar? It made perfect sense - Angela simply didn't need her anymore and she made it very clear the only reason Elle was still an agent was because her dad wanted to keep her safe. Angela knows that Elle is a messed up girl, she's forcing her to grow up and cut the umbilical to The Company.

Now whether or not Angela has any ulterior motives remains to be seen. I wouldn't put it past her though.
Synch
QUOTE (SuperT @ Sep 28 2008, 12:59 PM) *
What use does Angela have for Elle now that she has Sylar? It made perfect sense - Angela simply didn't need her anymore and she made it very clear the only reason Elle was still an agent was because her dad wanted to keep her safe. Angela knows that Elle is a messed up girl, she's forcing her to grow up and cut the umbilical to The Company.


If there's no secondary motive though, why cut her loose?

I can see terminating her employment...but why let her loose? Lock her up or kill her.
SuperT
Why would Angela lock her up or kill her? That's unnecessary as she's not nearly as dangerous as the real people they had locked up in Company prison.

She's just a misguided girl. She has little real world experience, but she doesn't lack it so much that she can't actually go out and live a productive life on her own.
Timedreamer
Elle has been working for the Company all her life. Maybe Angela was trying to give her that chance of a "normal" life, considering how bad Elle has been treated over the years.
Synch
QUOTE (SuperT @ Sep 28 2008, 01:41 PM) *
Why would Angela lock her up or kill her? That's unnecessary as she's not nearly as dangerous as the real people they had locked up in Company prison.


She's a loose canon who has been shown to resort to the use of her gift with little to no hesitation.

Why would Angela lock her up or kill her? Because she's a threat to the secrecy of not only "their kind" but also the Company.
This is why I say Angela has a secondary motive for letting her go.
aulduron
Maybe Angela just hates her, but doesn't want to lock up anyone who doesn't deserve it.
Rebel
QUOTE (jryan1027 @ Sep 28 2008, 10:38 AM) *
You know, I never thought about the whole "Sylar will kill you Elle." Theory. She's a powerful individual and after she knocked Sylar on his butt like she did, he's going to want revenge and her power. If Angela had said "Elle, he will kill you." She is so bent on proving herself that she would have stuck around and shown Angela she can handle him. However, Synch's theory is good too...maybe a returning, much more mature Elle, with a better grasp for what she is capable of will return later this season with a vengeance?!


I really want to think that Angela is doing "tough love" and actually looking out for Elle and getting her out of the way so Sylar and she don't kill each other...but I'm skeptical.

I really think Elle is going to do what she can to shadow and watch HRG's back who is the only one we've seen she has an emotional connection to left alive.

Elle's power is great but her knocking of Sylar on his butt wasn't intentional. For Sylar it was like cutting into a cable with an ungrounded metal tool and getting its Voltage shot into you.

I think he would certainly like her power but unless he's able to take her by surprise again, he ain't getting it.

If we don't see Elle for a few shows its only because Kristen shot a movie. She's coming back and was just seen this week shooting scenes with with ZQ Sylar.
electric1dude
If Angela doesn't have a secondary motive why not let Sylar get Elle's ability like she did with you know...
Timedreamer
QUOTE (electric1dude @ Sep 28 2008, 12:42 PM) *
If Angela doesn't have a secondary motive why not let Sylar get Elle's ability like she did with you know...


I'd be somewhat frustrated if they make her die that way. I would prefer her to move off the scene for some reason or die an honorable death saving someone...^^;
Creator
QUOTE (faustxxx @ Sep 28 2008, 01:59 AM) *
There are lots of answers as to why Angela showed Elle the door.

1) She was being bluntly honest and didn't want Elle around at all.

2) Angela needed Sylar to work for them and obviously after killing Elle's father it would be bad for them to in the same building together.

3) Angela dreamt that by firing her that Elle would do something independently that would help the company, save the world and/or save her own life from Sylar.

Mainly, what does eveyone else think Elle will do next?



faustxxx,

Elle should have lit Angela up! huh.gif biggrin.gif

Creator
SacValleyDweller

Elle may be a loose canon, and if I were in the Heroes verse I wouldn't want to get her mad, but overall I think she's harmless and I'd trust her.

No need to kill her, she looks like she knows how to Live in normal society and not cause too much trouble.

To have had Sylar kill her and take her power would have added to the too much he is already.

QUOTE (Timedreamer @ Sep 28 2008, 12:46 PM) *
I would prefer her to move off the scene for some reason or die an honorable death saving someone...^^;


Agreed!
jryan1027
Petrelli has a motive. She ALWAYS has a motive. I kind of agree with the, she'll be watching HRG theory too.
MaggieRyan
I'm going to have to agree that Angela Petrelli has a motive. After all, she seems as though she's always up to something...
jryan1027
Well it would seem J and Maggie Ryan agree haha
Paul2008
QUOTE (conspiracytheory @ Sep 28 2008, 01:50 PM) *
I'm tempted to think that it was a lame way for the writers to get Elle out of the picture for a few weeks. We know that Kristen Bell is only scheduled to appear in a handful of episodes this season. Whatever the reason for that, she must not appear in these next few, so they just had Mama P kick her out of the house.


The problem is, as I mentioned in the spoiler thread, that it was important to at least show a glimpse of Elle on tomorrow's episode, now on the outside, having to fend for herself. It would be fresh in people's minds. But this five-episode, chump-change deal (and I hope I'm not a lone voice in the wilderness on that; it IS chump-change) really constricts what can be done with the character. She's not back until October 20 at the earliest. Management really screwed the pooch here, and I don't mean Mr. Muggles, either. If it was 7 or 8 episodes, then they could have room to maneuver. But it appears they're holding her off until the back end of the arc.
jryan1027
I have to agree...I too think it's a crock. Elle is one of my favorite characters and I think they are really risking dropping the ball with her. Honestly, I think there are many more characters they could have gave a limited deal to that would have been a little less useful to the story...
Rebel
QUOTE (Paul2008 @ Sep 28 2008, 08:24 PM) *
The problem is, as I mentioned in the spoiler thread, that it was important to at least show a glimpse of Elle on tomorrow's episode, now on the outside, having to fend for herself. It would be fresh in people's minds. But this five-episode, chump-change deal (and I hope I'm not a lone voice in the wilderness on that; it IS chump-change) really constricts what can be done with the character. She's not back until October 20 at the earliest. Management really screwed the pooch here, and I don't mean Mr. Muggles, either. If it was 7 or 8 episodes, then they could have room to maneuver. But it appears they're holding her off until the back end of the arc.


I agree absolutely with what you said and maybe you guys now understand how some of us feel about how Maya was short changed. They refuse to let either Maya or Elle be seen behaving as they would if in the real world. True, Maya gets to be seen more consecutively than Elle but the writers are still pulling the same nonsense. Not showing us the characters behaving as we know they would. The excuse of KBell's film sched. doesn't apply either because they could have shot the scenes you described and edited them in.

You gotta wonder what the story is. Do the writers not see they are short changing important female characters?
jryan1027
I agree completely...they are abusing some of the more important female characters...and I don't know why.
SuperT
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The excuse of KBell's film sched. doesn't apply either because they could have shot the scenes you described and edited them in.


Uhm, how do you know that Bell even had time to do that? She's an up and coming actress who is high in demand right now. She has a busy schedule, and Heroes isn't, or should be, right at the top of her priority list right now, I would assume.
Paul2008
QUOTE (SuperT @ Sep 28 2008, 11:56 PM) *
Uhm, how do you know that Bell even had time to do that? She's an up and coming actress who is high in demand right now. She has a busy schedule, and Heroes isn't, or should be, right at the top of her priority list right now, I would assume.


Clarification ahead of time; in no way, I hope, is anyone blaming KB for the scarcity of her screen time. It's NBC and Kring who I :rolleyes; at. IMO. It shouldn't have taken a third of a year for her status on the show to be resolved. For me, a lot of stuff went south in S2. Elle Bishop didn't, and that's thanks to Kristen. smile.gif
SuperT
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I hope, is anyone blaming KB for the scarcity of her screen time.


I am in no way blaming Kristen Bell for her lack of screen time this season.

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It's NBC and Kring who I :rolleyes; at.


It's not NBC or Tim Kring's fault either.

You have to stop being so selfish and think of it from a business perspective. From Bell's view, she's already stated she's working hard on her movie career right now. Why would you take the spot on a serialized show as the thirteenth regular, juggling screen time with twelve other regular characters.

From Krings view, if you can't have one actor you really want because they have other career obligations, then you have to work with what's given to you. Bell can't be on set the same amount of time as the other twelve regulars, or the other guest stars, she has a growing movie career.

It's a mutual decision between both parties. I'm sure Kring & Co. would be thrilled to have Bell as a regular, and I'm sure Bell would love being a regular too, but if it logistically won't work out, then there's no need in making Bell sign on the dotted line when she can't commit 100%.
jryan1027
You have to admit...it kind of sucks for the fans though
Synch
QUOTE (jryan1027 @ Sep 28 2008, 10:51 PM) *
I agree completely...they are abusing some of the more important female characters...and I don't know why.


Probably because the Heroes schedule and the Kristen Bell schedule couldn't be made to work?

I mean...she is a pretty hot commodity right now in Hollywood. She was working on a movie while they were filming, and she's got several more either in the process or in the works.

QUOTE (jryan1027 @ Sep 28 2008, 11:27 PM) *
You have to admit...it kind of sucks for the fans though


Not really. You take what you can get. The fans can't, and shouldn't, make those types of decisions for the actors and actresses.
SuperT
QUOTE (jryan1027 @ Sep 28 2008, 11:27 PM) *
You have to admit...it kind of sucks for the fans though


It's sucks but hey, it could be worse - there was always the possibility that we wouldn't even have gotten her for season two. Kring already stated is was almost impossible to squeeze her into the story for season two, because of scheduling issues.

Just enjoy what's given at the current moment, it'll work out.
jryan1027
I'm going with SuperT on that one. It's the same thing that took Sarah Michelle Gellar away from Buffy for an extended period of time...Movies pay better than TV...you can't blame the girl...she's young...she's gorgeous...she's in demand. Go where the money is. You'd do the same.
baltar
Part of the "behind the scenes" reasoning for Angela kicking Elle out is so they could introduce us to:

the other "Company" Pinehearst

I don't think Elle will have trouble finding a new position there
electric1dude
Some people have been saying that she will only appear after some 6 or 7 episodes I certainly hope that isn't true...
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