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I enjoyed everything about this season, except Hiro.. He was great in Season 1, but he has to go. He is ruining Heroes. His plot lines and acting is so bad it is ruining Heroes. Cant we at least have future Hiro all the time?

he was a bit annoying this episode

My problem with this episode is the so-called "dangerous" villains...I thought they were something...but wow, boom boom boom, all dead and captured. LOL.

I agree, that was kind of a let down.

I gotta admit, Hiro is getting annoying. There's just something arrogant and dumb about the way he treats Ando now. You gotta get over the fact Ando killed you in the future and try to avoid making it worse. Hope he gets over it soon. Him, Ando and Daphne did add some nice comedy to the episode.

I'm not usually one for negativity threads and I liked the episode fine, but I have to say the way they seem to be handling Claire weirds me out a bit. Even if Hayden is legal now, I can't help but be slightly creeped out by the way they seemed to be sexing her up this episode, maybe I'm just old fashioned, although that's odd since I'm only about two years older than her.

Also, speaking of creepy are they actually going forward with the Peter/Claire ship? Cuz there's no way I'm getting past the "related" thing anytime soon.

Hiro can stay, IMO -- but who says we're getting tired of his costumed sidekick?! I loved it when Ando and Hiro would pull those mad capers. (Although I was saying to myself, "Just hit the Haitian over the head already!", so at least that was more realistic.)

Who can go is The Bushman. Another future painter, with the exact same style as Isaac? Sheesh. I cringed when I saw the rock paintings. And what is this, his iPod gives him his power? Just too much of the same from Season 1. What was magic then is embarrassing now.

What is Claire's biomom doing in this picture? She was a trailer trash blackmailer who skipped town for Mexico the last time we saw her. Now she knows the secret to kicking butt?

And we all love Christine Rose...but her role grew a little beyond even her. What happened to the other 12? I can't really believe she's running the show (however well Christine is capable of portraying it).

What do you mean "sexing her up"? The way she's dressing? It's just a tank top.

And what would lead you to think they want Claire and Peter as a couple? She wants to kill and torture him in the future. Plus they're related and they would in now way make that seem like a possibility.

Honestly I am watching these episodes now more out of morbid curiousity than anything else.

The plot development is HIDEOUS to date.

Apparently, due to polling or some other flippant decision, the writers have decided to revert Hiro and Ando to complete idiots. This is a tragedy of epic proportions. You put Hiro through the whole kensai thing, the reuniting with his dad, put in a serious position of authority and now he is just a sad buffoon. This kills me.

The Sylar concept? Sorry, but this could only work for idiots as well. Does anyone believe Sylar is controllable? You've got to be kidding me. He was looking at Angela Petrelli like a starving man at a banquet. The only thing that saves this would be a plot insight development explaining Petrelli's thought process here. And the feeding of Sylar? Oh my god. How disgusting. A new low for her, that's for sure.

The Peter developments are ok, I suppose, but limping along with future peter.

Matt? Somewhat interesting. But enough of this dream/painting the future thing LOL.

So there you are. Hope it gets better, but I'm not counting on it.

I thought about that too. Claire in a hot room, wearing a tank top and sweating.

It's all in the subtext, that's all I'm gonna say

Naughty!

This one I completely agree with. When I saw that Claire's mom was back I was actually optimistic, but now she's putting Claire through the gauntlet as though they were best buds. It's not her place, and it came off as an unconvincing way of sending Claire off to hunt down some bad guys.

Yeah that's what I meant, I couldn't think of a less extreme way of putting it, I don't think the outfit itself was what I was taking issue with, just a vibe I got about the way her scenes were shot made me a little uncomfortable.



Nothing in particular in this episode, it's just a lingering fear, common sense would seem to dictate that it wouldn't be a possibility, but you never know.

Yeah, I wish I didn't have to agree with this - but I do. I think, somehow, the writers decided that the thing people liked about Hiro was the way he acts so silly and childish... so they decided to keep him that way. Apparently they think that's funny. Unfortunately it just makes his character look like he's not growing or learning anything from his experiences. He's also treating Ando like crap, which takes away from the fact that he has always been such a good, loyal friend. They've stunted his character, and now he's just becoming annoying.

I hope something happens to make him grow up soon... not that he hasn't already had ENOUGH things happen to make him grow up... Come on, writers...

Even after just watching the first 15 minutes of this episode during a study break, it wasn't holding my interest. :/

didn't they say about a dozen escaped? Only a few have been caught at this point, there is still mischief and mayhem to be had.

I completely agree. It is a horrible decision to portray Hiro and Ando as bumbling buffoons. Are the writers out of better ideas to progress the story along?

It amazes me how "fans" go from "Hero" to "Zero" so quickly...

My simple statement is that if you try to add too much logical thought to fantasy...then what's the point?

For almost an hour, I escape LOGIC when I watch this show and try to believe rather than explain...

Have fun!

I definitely didn't love this episode but the first few seasons of Heores kind of gained momentum as they went along. I'm kind of expecting the same thing here. Bennett's last appearance was awesome, though. We knew he wouldn't just work with Sylar and not try to exact some revenge. I mean the guy has attacked Claire twice in the past year or so.

My only complaint is that I have none.

I was blown away this entire episode. The only thing I can say is that when the villains all got to the bank I thought, "Superpowered bad guys are going to...rob a bank? That's kind of lame." It made more sense as a ploy to draw HRG out...although still didn't seem very smart.

They probably were taken down a little too quickly in relation to how built up they were, especially the scene with Noah explaining how bad they were to Claire last week. I guess they did that because of time constraints.

I had SOME fun with the episode but..

4 Level 5 guys in a bank. 1 dies by Fear power or something. The remaining three are taken down by "force" grip and a gun? C'mon! These are supposed to be some badass earth destroyers on the level of Sylar and they don't even get ONE shot in? BS.

Claire's mom? What the heck was up with that. Hope there was some point to that scene cause we already knew she wanted revenge on Sylar.

Hiro/Ando in Level 5. Angela knows who Hiro is. Why dump him in a level 5 cell especially if the Haitian isn't going to be around? Teleport and control of time/space anyone?

Lastly too many concurrent story arcs in this episode. The best stories, like Company Man, had one major story arc with maybe 3-4 smaller arcs in it. With a title of "one of them, one of us" it's obvious this should have been more focused on the HRG/Sylar partnership but I don't feel they spent enough time there.

Definitely, just, all the sudden, it's over, they really didn't spend anytime on it at all. A real let down.

Other negative thoughts:
- Too many Claire Cleveage shots.
- Too many concurrent story arcs in this episode.
- Half an episode, next week we get the other half.
- Tracy in DC looked like Tracy in LA, not in DC. Someone should have told the producers there are no mountains in DC, it's flat. So that scene just completely fell flat because it looked like LA, not DC where she was suppose to be, and it was so obvious.
- Do you think both Sandra and Merideth would have both been so stupid to believe that excuse by Claire? Don't you think Merideth if she was so brilliant to see the problem in the first place, would have seen that coming too?

As a whole, 200% better then last week though, hopefully, they can fix themselves.

poor editing - when peter (jesse) and the level 5 inmates were getting off the car to rob a bank...the title said "the petrellis, poughkepsie (sp?), ny"...correct me if i'm wrong.

sylar has some crack-up one liners, but please revert him back to old form...cold blooded, eyebrow raising villain.

I liked Hiro and Ando on the first two seasons. It seems like for this season though that they took those characters and amplified the buffoonery by 300%. They seem to be getting less mature as time goes on which is the opposite of what should be happening. Hiro was funny the first two seasons, now he's just annoying.

I don't know what they're trying to do with this season, but I went from loving Heroes to just purely watching it out of habit. I don't hate it, but I'm slowly losing my interest in it. Hopefully things get better in future episodes. It's been pretty disappointing so far or maybe my expectations were too high.

I dunno, I like the buffoon Hiro than the super serious feudal Japan Hiro. I'd shoot myself if I had to hear Hiro say to Kensei "You must be a Hero" again.

The one complaint I had was also in the bank. Knox killed the german and thought nothing of it, and when he discovers Jesse/Peter all of a sudden he's going to LET him live. Kill the german like that but let peter live, doesn't make sense to me. But that's pretty ticky tack.

Really? B/c I live in DC and the Appalachian mountains are 20 minutes from DC.

I really like Hiro because of his power, but his scenes can't always be a 100% comedy. It will ruin his character. The Buster Keaton movies gave a nice atmosphere to the scenes, but they have to stop with the stupid comments and lame one-liners. Add some variation, please, or this volume will be the end of Hiro's popularity.

He did tell Peter in Jesse's body that Jesse was one of the reason he was able to get through the last few years, so it could be possible that he sees him and not the german as a friend.

"Company Man" was kind of an exception to the rule that most episodes follow though, don't you think so? It was unique of it to focus entirely on the Bennets. That episode was terrific but I still like the way most episodes are done (as Greg Beeman put it in his blog, "Heroes" episodes tend to have four A stories and few if any B or C stories, a point he presented as being a positive). It's pretty much par the course for this show to start off with a bunch of disparate plots and then weave them together over the course of a few weeks. Eventually the number of storylines drops because they start merging, two stories combine into one.

I didn't quite understand Angela "feeding" a special person to Sylar. What was to be gained by that? Couldn't she have just had her work with Sylar or do her own thing separate from him instead of having her killed? However, it's in keeping with Angela's character. She's shown that she can be a calculating, heartless Lady when she has her mind on a goal, willing to sacrifice anything, even her own children if necessary.

My complaints are as follows,

As established by multiple sources, L5 villians are the most powerful kind of super, stated by many as they can do some serious damage to our world, even Tim Kring and Zach Quinto stated they are as bad as 12 sylars and according to Ma petrelli had the power to kill all our heroes. THEN...Sylar enters the bank and subdues them with no resistance making them moot points at best before OM Nom Nom Nom on Jesse. This is classic kring at his best, never let his golden start Sylar be outshined, which translates to same ol story, same lame out come.

Fpeter and Ppeter not helping HRG... the bad future is not going anywhere, at least not for time travelers..Ppeter forgot HRG was too easy. Been real bad if HRG had died now wouldn't it, all because Peter was in a rush to go to thr future which he can do anytime.

Parkman gaining the Future sight and painting power off of some bush juice...? maybe i'll pass judgement later

Ma Petrelli trying to tame Sylar.. i get it, kring has to switch over Sylar for Fans, otherwise he can't keep him for a longer haul if he's a killer brain snatching psycho villain that kills all the main cast every season and never gets offed. That would make even worse writing trying to justify keeping a villain around for 3-5 years and such, so lets convert him to a hero.

HRG's end quote "only untill i find his weakness, then i'm gonna kill him"...duh your asnwer is the man your telling that to, haitian = no powers , no powers = no immortality, and that means BLAT BLAT dead man sylar. Afterwards you cut him up, take his head and drop it into the bottom of the Ocean, specifically the deep trench. No more Sylar.

Cordler, For someone wanting big bad villains, you arn't excited to watch what Sylar is becoming? He just whupped up on some of the worlds worst scumbags, showed us just how addicted he is to brains, and gave Jesse a nice scalping. Also, Knox got away (after a company agent just yanked his BFF's brain), so i'm guessing we arn't done with him, and he'll probably be superpissed when he comes back.

And why is it when we finally get the Sylar emotional/personal growth some people have been complaing about, it is dismissed as "fan service"? Sylar grew a freaking ton this ep. He is now Mama's Boy Sylar Petrelli, the Brain Addict, and HRG's partner. Anyone think he showed a little friendlyness to HRG in the bank?

Finally, Angela would be a friggen psycho if HRG just offed her new goldenchild. I think he was talking about emotional/mental weaknesses, as in he is gonna find out what makes him tick, break him, watch him suffer/go crazy, and then have an acceptable reason to kill him, even by Ma Petrelli's standards. HRG is gonna do this right, and wants to do more than just pop him in the head.

No I don't. Parkman's story in S1 didn't start until Eps2. They specifically didn't include him because there was too many stories going on. Since this is Season 3 they don't have to establish mythos like S1 and a build up to an episode like Company Man since it's already there. Lastly there's pacing. Sure we get a glimpse of our favorite Heroes but it sacrifices pacing. We get a bank robbery with Villains(intense scene) interspersed with the stories of everyone else who aren't currently intense. 1min of intense story followed by 7-8mins of calm story again followed by a min of intensity doesn't create a good flow.

Also most of the episodes have titles that the storyarcs coincides with. "One of Us, One of Them". One normal, one powered person. The episode should have more focus on HRG/Sylar, Hiro/Ando and to a lesser degree Mohinder(sorta human)/Maya, then say Claire/Meredith, Tracy/Nathan/Mica, Parkman/New Painter guy. I'm not saying ignore the other storyarcs but they don't fit with the title and one or two stories should have been shifted to next episode to give the normal/super pairings more screen time.

The show is turning into waaay too much of a soap oprea.. the heroes story allows it to retain some of its characters wile continuing to show us new characters and stories.. instead it seems to have fallen into a trap of recycling the characters until they no longer seem convincing..

I'd have to say there is more to her than what we've seen, the most acurate portrayal of her "abilities" to me is the fact that she was able to escape the original "bag and tag". HRG doesn't mess around so I'm assuming she has some cajones.

While I was overall satisfied with the episode I will have to agree that making HIRO an idiot again is a definate reversion from last seasons Hiro, but I'd have to say it seems Ando isn't playing along as much. They are currently using them as the comic relief which I'm fine with but I was excited to see Ando basically say "stop being such an idiot and just get the job done" but wacking the Haitian and ignoring Hiro's stupid plan.

I'm defiantely disappointed that the German is gone already but with 12 out there and all the complaints about volume of storylines, if they all split up it would be impossible to follow all of them and the usual characters so it makes sense that their going to have to be picked off a little at a time to keep the story moving and not make it the "Villians" show with the regular heros as the B-story.

I will have to disagree though with the "sexing" Claire up comments. I mean she was in a tank top and sweating, unless there is a niche fetish I haven't hear of that is down with sweaty, whining, pre-teen, suffocating blondes IDK,

choking, suffocating, sweaty are fetishes...there are sexual fetishes for everything =o but I will spare you the list of them but this scene...indeed seemed weirdly erotic in a kind of way.

Sylar was already a big bad villain, always was and always has been, my dissastifaction is how they can bill these 12 escaped L5 villains which mind everyone stated were even more dangerous than sylar, can be soo pathetic and underperforming. Who cares that Knox got away, whats he gonna do now against TK Sylar, wave his fist in defiance to his head chopping?

My point is that we had a huge letdown, these supposedly Overpowered villains get taken down like they were chumps. what was the point of them if they aren't even terrorfying.

Why would i be happy at his fake emotional growth, i seriously can't take it serious when a sociapathic killer all the sudden meets a women he doesn't know who claims to be his mother, and then he tries to be all happy sappy and less brooding.. Yeah right.. im not gonna even mention the glaring remarks that Angela made while he was in the room about useing him as a tool to be groomed to HRG.

I'd be more happy if they actually tried to work on a decent plot for Sylar's development/redemption not some thrown together hobbled plot.

I think that she wanted to hear Claire say it, and admit it. Cause while they most likely knew that was the reason, they wanted to hear it come from Claire.

And on the villains, who ever said they were smart? They just use their powers to kick butt and hurt people. A simple strategy could easily over come them, right?

Very, very disappointed with the bank scene. They've built these villians up for months and they had their butts handed to them. The German alone should have given Sylar all he could handle yet his power level was just strong enough to close the blinds. Considering his gift, he should just have pulled the vault open like Peter did last season instead of just breaking into it like a petty thief. They're were plenty of heavy objects for Knox to throw, Jesse could have kept him off balance with his sonic screams etc. and yet they looked like amateurs. I hope they do a better job with the other Villians this season.

I enjoyed this episode more than most, to be honest.

The one thing that sticks in my graw, however, is Peter's unrelenting stupidity. I know we all know that he absorbs the mental capacity of imbeciles, but to fall for the old doppelgänger detector bit? Sheesh, like.

When Knox lures him into slipping his cover with the 'family in Denver' (I think it was Denver) line, I wanted to nominate him for this year's Darwin Award.

If Peter absorbed Sylar's abilities, then he should've absorbed his original power of not being an idiot and being able to see how things work.

Season 3: Episode 1... meh.
Episode 2... blah.

Episode 1 at least had some momentum to it... even though I didn't like where a lot of the story lines they were turning to, I felt that things were still moving along - like an taking a plane to a place I didn't really like all that much.

Anyway - Ep2 was just plain bad. I, too am tired of the cliche that Hiro has become. Hopefully the writers will dig up Adam soon, have him hunt down and confront in Hiro in a sweet sward battle or something.

I like the speedster, but she's got no real place in the story. She's cute, she gets the benefit of cool special effects to use her powers, and she's sassy. OK - we get it. The exchanges between her and Hiro in this episode could have been spliced out of the Ep1 and inserted into Ep2. There just isn't anything there - yet.

But the Level 5 guys escaping had to be the WORST written story arc to date. I was so stoked to see those guys at the end of last weeks' Ep running the streets and terrorizing everyday citizens. Then, they decide that after a few years of their life spent in confinement that they're gonna go rob a friggin bank!? The German gets taken out 2 minutes into the whole scene, and then the rest just give up and get carted right back into lockup? Lame, lame, lame! WTF?... I thought these guys were supposed to be the most dangerous criminals in the world!

Oh and PLEASE, PLEASE ditch the whole Nikki story. I was so relieved when they blew her up last season - only now to find out that she's got a twin?! Great soap opera material, there. Oh, and how did Nikki's body look so good lying in that casket? She should've looked like the head of a burnt matchstick - yet all I saw was a small scratch on her cheek. And BTW... WHY was she still even in that casket? I know in New Orleans they have above-ground graveyards, but how long do they leave someone chillin' in a casket before they decide to stuff them in a mausoleum? Sheesh.

And lastly - do we need another future painter? Haven't we already seen this? Just because the guy is a bushman from Africa and paints with berries doesn't mean he's not a Mista Eesack (Isaac Mendez) rehash. It's like the writers decided to cut down on the end of the episode teasers and instead just use some dude who paints the future in order to give us a glimpse into what we might see in coming Ep's.

I am seriously hoping that things improve. Ep1 was OK, but not impressive. Ep2 was just plain bad. I almost gave up watching last year - but I stayed on because I thought that much of the flimsy writing was due to the strike. They've got no excuse this year. I gotta see something way better than what they offered us last night.

I know that the writers and workers on the show often read these forums so I would like them to understand one of the most important things on my mind. I come to be entertained yes, but I also want that mystery and suspense.

Sylar has now numerous powers from all the specials he has hacked in the first 2 seasons. Why is it we only ever see him use the same ones. I also get the making him out to be a good guy if even only for awhile. But with so many powers as he has why does he do so little. Super hearing? Melting medal? Just to name a few that would come in very handy.

Level 5 guys (as well as those listed in Sylars prey above) killed off to fast. What are you wanting us to feel for these people? We can not view them as bad or to be feared if they are just a body to be taken out so fast.

You say you learned from season 2 that people want fast action, but what ever happened to story. I want to "know" as well as be entertained.

Monica was a great character, Daphne is cool, I even get the whole Meredith thing, but please stop handing up specials for fodder without making it a good fight and worth the watching. I would rather watch cattle slaughtered for a good steak dinner then a cow shot for it's methane cancelation.

I to agree on the Peter/Claire thing, they are supposed to be related don't cross that line please.

Otherwise keep it coming I haven't stopped watching yet.

chalice, I agree Peter is pretty dim, and yes, he should have intuitive aptitude FOR SURE, yet he cant even get out of his own way and is always causing the end of the world, even going as far as timetraveling back just to try to give them an even worse future. He is a spaz, and I seriously LOLed at Knox (it was detroit btw) calling him out on it. That said, I still kinda like him, because he has a decent excuse this time, he is freaked the F out over his future self manhandling him like a punk. He has someone new to lead him, so he can fall back into his "unsure" self, which he pulled off in season 1, but it doesn't feel out of place. I hope seeing his future self will help him grow some balls and brains, and am excited to see where it goes next ep, especially since "Peter, if I knew you were coming I'd have made extra!"

PS, sure Sylar has alot of powers, but when you have something as great as TK, why not use it as much as possible. I think we have seen now that he doesn't do it for the powers themselves, just to "satisfy his hunger". He doesn't give a crap if your special ability is to fart the national anthem, he'd still yank your brain just to have it. I think it is a great way to limit his powers realisticly, because TK is so strong, anything else is a 2nd banana to it, so why bother. He doesn't even need to use the new powers this way, so he can binge on brains and it wont break his character.

The German was dead b4 Sylar showed up. Yes, Knox could have thrown things b/c we've never seen that on this show and b4 The German died he could have done the exact same thing Peter did last year, original.

Imthehero,

good points, very well presented. I suppose I'll have to forgive Peter for that one but man, that idiot grin he beamed when he realised he could use Jesse's power was priceless. Straight outta Bill and Ted, that one.

If FPeter was gonna put PPeter's consciousness somewhere else for a spell, wouldn't it have been more sensible to put it in the body of someone with no legs or something? At least he wouldn't get too far. Instead he puts it in a Level 5 psychopath.

I know heroes are classically flawed but Peter is up there with Forest Gump.

The positive review thread it that way.

We're still fans of the show here -- we just didn't enjoy the episode.

I thought the villains getting caught so early on was...kind of sucky. I mean, I understand that there are still a lot of them out there, but I thought they would have been on the lam for a while.