Merged threads: Maybe Nikki/Jessica was an experiment that went, wrong!

WTF!

when she opend the door the doc went "Barbara?" "no, tracy" "oh the one from beverly hills"

how many of her ARE there?!

Yeah, this whole deal seems pretty crazy. Is this some type of cloning?

I'm guessing this is where Pinehearst Research comes in.

Yea sounds like there's going to be a bunch of them. What better way to keep ali larter? They can keep killing her but she'll never leave!

That's what I was thinking, Nikki, Tracy..etc are clones. It must be some company experiment.

Talk about tight job security One of her characters gets killed/overpowered, and her job is suddenly saved because she has more, lol.

I wonder what this Barbara character is like...

"Know you? I created you." Great line.

How many will there be, and how many different powers will they have?

Guess Kring is giving Ali more choices now...if Tracy doesn't work, we will have Barb next season! LOL

Me thinks Pinehearst is up to something here...

Since there's so many of them, there's a possibility that(if they were even clones or something) one of them could have turned out wrong. It's bound to happen when making an experiment. Like when Edison invented the light bulb and it took him a bunch of times to finally get it right.

actuially. we now have no idea WHO the girl is that looks liek ali in mama petreli's dream.

they have set up it could be ANY of them.

Yeah I would definitely call Nikki/Jessica a mistake...

I'm digging Tracy Strauss though. Maybe you're correct, she did seem to be a bit defective. It would be good to shed light on that.

and from the docs comment thers obviously MORE then just jessica niki and tracy and this barbara he commented on.

There could be THOUSANDS, jk, lol. Maybe just a dozen or so.

Well could it be they made Niki so they could get Micha? So what if they are making these clones so they can have children who have certian abilities when they are set up with someone OR their own abilities become important?

actually taking that a bit farther.

they techincalyl created their own "army" of super powered women. that they could just interchange with each other. and seemed to have set it up so they KNEW where they had htem planted so they might have been trying to make sure they wouldnt meet up.

Hm, kinda like an assembly line for heroes.

thought you all might like this litlte tidbitie:

hers a screencap of niki and tracy's info next to each other from when micah is on the comp.

same mother diff fathers are listed SAME birth time, etc.

this is definitely gonna be used in her back story:

lotsa cool stuff can be theorised from the pic:

http://niki.illyria.tv/screencaps/bcerttracyniki.jpg

Hmm...interesting. They have different mothers tho. Reason for different parents is that it is their birth certificate and Zimmerman and anyone else probably wanted them as integrated into their new lives as possible. Same parents etc would make it too easy to find each other.

They were all artificial inseminations. that explains completely different sets of parents. there has to be a host to harvest eggs from so as to not mix with the surrogate's dna.

about Niki/Jessica: I think Niki and Jessica were fused via the same pwoer that put Peter into Jesse's body

Wow thanks. It seems that Tracy's father's name was M. It also said that they were a 'single' child. So where would that put Jessica considering that they were twins?? I'M SO CONFUSED!!! Lol. I called the number and it was some guy telling me that it couldn't be completed lol.

well... idk. maybe she was fused early in life if she met other clones. im guessing as kids they went to checkups, and probably the doctors were planted by the company to monitor them etc etc.

but im starting to think im just looking too far into it. Maybe she really was suffering from multiple personality disorder. ive been taking psyche classes and mpd usually has 10 or so personalities.

the writesr already confirmed that was mpd.
but we know jessica DID exist at one point. kinda sounds liek all diff parents had these girls there the same day. or all their reocrds are botched and one woman had them all.

im thinking they placed the same cloned embryos in a preset number of random women, who all came to term at the same time and produced babies who would grow up to aquire an ability. Abilities manifest themselves through necessity however, so each is raised by different people and experience different things, therefore each manifest a different power.

So, Niki's parents are Kelly Sulivan and Hal

Tracy's parents are Mrs Rosenthal and an M. Strauss

Many Women with the appearance of Ali Larter were "born" some time ago, and this Zimmerman fellow looks like he's involved. The plot thickens!
Plus, the pill that Ali is playing a new character is a little easier to swallow.

Jessica I believe is the biological daughter of Kelly and Hal. I'll bet that kelly carried the egg that became Niki.

Barbara was more than likely born to another woman.

Tracy was born to a third woman.

Barbara, Tracy and Niki are triplets created through genetic minipulation. I'll bet that the company was doing a test to see if they could create people with abilities. This test im sure ranks up there among some of the other horrible acts the company has carried out.

just posted a spoilerish info on more about this to the spoiler discussion topic for those that want more info.

That would definately also answer why jessica looked different to nikki while barbara and tracy have the same looks as nikki.

That would also explain that jessica had no powers after all but when nikki had her mpd kicking in and felt she was jessica, nikkis super strenght got used.

I was right about the clones after all and to be honest, I love the way they did it!
It's far more interesting then some other storylines and I can't wait to find out more.

Ali got justice into her roles in heroes this season after all so she can show us even more from her great potential!

Very happy about all this and can't wait to see more!

All that clones storyline, plus the visit to spooky Dr Zimmerman (hey, any Star Trek: Voyager /slash/ Bob Dylan reference here?), makes me think A LOT of the episodes with all the Samantha (Mulder's sister) clones in The X-Files.

I guess we'll have an episode with 10 or 12 Ali Larters... yummy!!!

Although I agree that clones seem likely, there are still several possibilities- including the more likely genegineering.

Yep it could be the case!
However it intrigues me how all the kids could have the same looks if its engineering only. O_o
I mean they probably used the same "host" to produce them all (that's why I said cloning)?
Not sure at the moment since it could go different ways but it's one of the most interesting storylines in the show at the moment in my opinion.

Yes this is puzzling indeed. However she was "created", what's puzzling to me is how Niki and Tracy were born exactly at the same time and weighed exactly the same at birth. If they were cloned and had surrogate mothers'...it doesn't seem possible for all three to be born at the same time. Same goes for if they were triplets carried by one mother. Ouch..if they were all born at the same time there too. Although I guess C-section would have been possible.

Look closer at Tracy's mother's name. It looks to me like "Barbara Rosenthal". A lot of times, movies and TV shows have someone who's done something like Dr. Z has, and then see the child of so-and-so and call them by that person's name. Maybe that's what happened here.

Of course, I could be seeing the name wrong, too

The name looks more like Rebecca to me than Barbara.

I'm now thinking Jessica was Niki's older sister, born to Hal and Kelly.

I'm also thinking Niki, Tracy, and Barbara were artificially inseminated triplets? They were all born by the same woman on the same day, but their birth certificates were changed when they were given to their families.

It's easy in this day and age to put whatever you want on a birth certificate, especially when money or high ranking companies are involved.



lol When women have triplets, they all don't come out at the same time. They come out one after the other, but they still look alike because they were born from the same egg.

I don't think so. In the "Six Months Ago" episode in season 1, Niki was at Jessica's grave and the YOB was 1976. That makes Niki 2 years older than Jessica.



Huh? When did we see Jessica? I don't remember her ever being on the show, how do we know she looks different than Niki?

My initial guess is that Zimmerman kept one of his Ali Larter clones to be a daughter to him and named that one Barbara. There is an episode coming up later in Volume 3 titled "Our Father."

Does anyone remember the 1980's movie "Anna to the Infinite Power"? This is what I thought of, instantly.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_to_the_Infinite_Power

From the article:

As her investigation of the other Anna--Anna Smithson--progresses, she begins to learn the truth: the truth about a woman named Anna Zimmerman who has been dead for twenty years, and most important, the truth about herself: that she was part of a cloning experiment by Zimmerman to create the perfect girl, one who would grow into a duplicate of Zimmerman herself, right down to the traits that Anna indeed shares with her.



I would think that Dr. Zimmerman is just a shout-out to the original movie, for inspiration.

oo good find!

lol thanks for that... I think it's funny under "Race" it says White.

What if the experiments didn't end with the birth of these ones but they continued with Piper and Debbie (GN #79)? Throwing that out...

I think it's sad that Niki's definitely dead. Her story was rounded up so well after S1 but then they totally messed it up and now her end seems so ... inappropiate. And poor Micah!


But what is funny: I expected the whole story about Tracy might be a clone thing, but I actually thought, they cloned her during her stay in the company in S2. Turns out it all started way earlier. I'm curious where they're taking that one.

There are copies of the photo from Lindeman's archives which show Niki and Jessica as young girls. They look a few years apart in age, so they were not twins.

I think that Barbara may be the one we have seen in Angela's dream. Maybe she is Adam's new bride?

I LIKE that thinking!

It totally works!

Do you think the whole artificial insemination, or cloning, or whatever has been done..
is it part of someone's ability?
or is there another mohinder at work

also,
this brings a whole different perspective on angela petrelli's dream!
how many nikki clones are there?
which one of them is in mama p's nightmare?

i, for one would LOVE to see a battle off between clones, what do you guys think .

That's a good thought, but when she's at the door zimmerman thinks it's barbara. I think if it was actually his daughter, he would know it was his daughter.

Maybe the doctor lied.

Exactly what i am thinking, or they were all delivered as identital triplets, and the birth certificats were created by (probably linderman ) so they could be split up into different families. Also, we know linderman was watching niki since birth basically, maybe he had an eye on all three?

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but my theory is that Jessica had super strength and Nikis power was the ability we see future peter using when he moved past peter into Jesses body. That would mean some form of jessica moved into nikis body and during times of trouble jessica took over and her ability manifested (super strength). Thats my two cents anyway...

I really like traceys character but there forshadowing that shes gonna turn evil, hope not!

It's been mentioned and discredited. The writers have even told us that Niki had super strength, which manifested through her alternate personality of Jessica. That's it. End of story.

Some people will NEVER believe that all Niki had was Super strength and MPD. There's always going to be the ghost/astral projection/soul swapping/death communing/whatever other way for Jessica to really be inside Niki kind of theories, even though the writers have on numerous occasions debunked them all.

I just try my best to ignore it! lol