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Gorbeh
Merged threads: Why they kill off German so fast?, Won't it be nice to see German vs Sylar?; Are you upset that german die so soon?, It is nice if we can see German vs Sylar?

Okay who is mad that he was killed so fast? He was one of my favourite characters from the GN's...and now he's dead. He didn't even use his powers much. I am disappointed. So much potential.
DoctorClaude
Yeah, I was a little sad at first. I did enjoy his character quite a bit.

But I suppose that if they kept it up, Marvel would sue. tongue.gif
Brady5573
I was thinking the exact same thing. I was totally backing his character and now I feel sad.

and seriouslly, 2 villains dead, 2 back in level 5. At this rate all 12 will be captured by episode 5!

but the episode was good. Can't deny that.

but argh... such a cool character. Im still praying that somehow all the villains come back. I would have even been happier if Sylar had eaten his brain than to be killed for no reason by Knox
lauryn
I agree. but Peter can have his power.. but still.. i liked the idea of another foreign character... I mean.. they all can't be Americans... but.. there are others... but still..
Joshman12
I think the writer's of heroes have to be careful what powers they give Sylar, or else he will become a powerhouse that is just uncontrollable, making any fight where he doesn't come out on top unrealistic. I'm glad that if The German had to go he went without giving his power to Sylar.
Rabbit
He should not have been killed off so soon. For this season to supposedly be about the villains they're sure dying early.
Gorbeh
Idk I think they had to kill him off eventually to keep him from becoming another Magneto but if the writers were clever they could've made him a totally different villain with the same power. I'd have liked to see more of him, at least through the rest of the season.
Caffeinedd
I can only understand him being killed off so early because the power is so similar to a very infamous marvel character. Otherwise I don't see why they'd want to get rid of him.
DoctorClaude
Now Now, we've only seen four of these villains. One of them not even in control of himself.

Some of the others are going to be pretty deadly, methinks. If Sylar/Noah are going to go after them, they better get Sylar pretty primed for some hefty battles.
Leek
WHY did they kill The German? He was so awesome and evil. Couldn't they have killed Flint? That guy is a tool bag.
themightytruk
sad.gif Yeah, it's sad to see another character we met in the graphic novels gone. He didn't last too long.

It did show how much of a threat Knox is, though, and just how bad he was. So dedicated for revenge. He was wanting the attention, to draw Noah to him so he could punish and kill him. He wasn't gonna let anyone get in the way of that, even a fellow villain.
BigG
QUOTE (Joshman12 @ Sep 29 2008, 10:12 PM) *
I think the writer's of heroes have to be careful what powers they give Sylar, or else he will become a powerhouse that is just uncontrollable, making any fight where he doesn't come out on top unrealistic.

Hasn't it already become that way? Peter and he can only fight to a stalemate. The only person who can defeat and kill Sylar is The Haitian.
Gorbeh
Yah I think Sylar already is practically invincible. Especially since he has Claire's power now. But seriously tho...all the German did was open the car, close the blinds, and open the safe...then drop dead. They better bring him back somehow!!
Stunt
I don't really mind him getting killed off at such an early stage. His power didn't seem that great if you ask me. I mean Magnetism is cool, but I don't see it as being enough to get you locked up in Level 5.
DoctorClaude
This is probably the writer's way of getting back at us for complaining not enough characters die in the show, lol.

All the characters we've met in the Graphic Novels have had a very short show-life.
jryan1027
Well...It would seem to me that the whole bank scene was to build up just how devastating Knox is. Killing The German kept the show from drawing a lot of flack from the Marvel Universe too.
Gorbeh
QUOTE (Stunt @ Sep 29 2008, 09:34 PM) *
I don't really mind him getting killed off at such an early stage. His power didn't seem that great if you ask me. I mean Magnetism is cool, but I don't see it as being enough to get you locked up in Level 5.


Did you read the GN's? He was a killer, and had no problem doing it. I mean just in the last episode he said it was fun. Throw in his power which can do ALOT then that's definitely Level 5.
HeroHunter
QUOTE (Joshman12 @ Sep 29 2008, 07:12 PM) *
I think the writer's of heroes have to be careful what powers they give Sylar, or else he will become a powerhouse that is just uncontrollable, making any fight where he doesn't come out on top unrealistic. I'm glad that if The German had to go he went without giving his power to Sylar.


I don't think the German's power would have done much for Sylar in the first place because telekinesis seems like a much more superior version. Being able to manipulate everything around you rather than just metal makes it pretty useless.
Imthehero
I was ok with it, since he didn't die alone, and it was an actual death where he'll stay dead.
Bubpheenam15
Ugh I was really looking forward to more German! He was very creepy with those crazy glasses and the scary accent. Kinda reminded me of a cross between Magneto and the bad guy from Raiders of the Lost Ark. smile.gif
BlastOff
If they were going to get rid of a villain at least it was this guy. A German with magnetism powers? Come on! I like Magneto too but that's just silly. Plus, there's only so much that's fun with magnetism visually. In the end it's just the same special effects as TK but more metal is involved.
spiderfrommars
QUOTE (HeroHunter @ Sep 29 2008, 10:50 PM) *
I don't think the German's power would have done much for Sylar in the first place because telekinesis seems like a much more superior version. Being able to manipulate everything around you rather than just metal makes it pretty useless.



You put that better than I was going to...

Be the time of the german's death appropriate or not, can we just pause to think about how awesome it was? Knox punched strait through the guy's torso! And then through a metal wall!
gamepete64
QUOTE (lauryn @ Sep 29 2008, 10:11 PM) *
I agree. but Peter can have his power.. but still.. i liked the idea of another foreign character... I mean.. they all can't be Americans... but.. there are others... but still..

There should be a Cuban hero and I should play him. OMG AWESOME!!
rice
yeah the only thing that the german did was close a few drapes and unlocking the safe when he could of just ripped the door out...and then BOOM here comes the hand going through the gut
Gorbeh
QUOTE (rice @ Sep 29 2008, 10:55 PM) *
yeah the only thing that the german did was close a few drapes and unlocking the safe when he could of just ripped the door out...and then BOOM here comes the hand going through the gut

RIP German
prander
While I liked The German, I think he was destined to not be around too long because...

1. He's obviously very similar to Magneto. One of the show's strong points is how it tries to distance itself from comic books.

2. The German's power is too similar to Sylar's telekinesis. We know we're going to continue to see TK, so The German's power is just too similar and too much of the "same".
Chocko
I didnt think he would be killed this early but i guess he's gone now so yea ha
NE0
I don't get it, why they decided to kill off German so quickly. will be nice if he stay around and face Sylar?
Raekon
- The similarities to magneto is just an excuse since they both have totally different backgrounds and goals.
- TK is the main power of Marvel Girl/Jean Grey so giving sylar this one was the same as copying her later evil version (Dark Phoenix). Only because the gender is a other doesn't mean that if marvel would like to sue it wouldn't.
All the characters in the show have their comparisons in the comics cause its unavoidable since they have powers.

Anyway, I have the feeling that they killing off all the GN characters, the emails one (Bridget) and even the new villains way too fast and I actually dislike this totally since many of these characters were far more interesting since some crappy sylars in the show are.

Now they even give sylar jesses power so he can be immune to echo "yay! more bullcrap"!
Oh well.. -.-
bookaddict
Well, we should have know that "The German" would die soon. We know from Star Trek that those without names (crewman #3) or last names die in the episode...
DorianWilde
QUOTE (bookaddict @ Sep 30 2008, 12:59 PM) *
Well, we should have know that "The German" would die soon. We know from Star Trek that those without names (crewman #3) or last names die in the episode...


I thought it was brilliant in that I did not expect him to die at all - especially at the hands of Knox. I also like the red herring that these were not the main villains - just think what is to come. Still would have liked to have seen more of him and his power.
RiddlerHanjinome
Like The Haitian?

Somehow, I don't think the Star Trek TV law is valid in this case
pawn6545
QUOTE (bookaddict @ Sep 30 2008, 06:59 AM) *
Well, we should have know that "The German" would die soon. We know from Star Trek that those without names (crewman #3) or last names die in the episode...



Most made fun of thing in movies and tv right there. Yeah i think its kinda sad they kill off people so quickly. I like you was hoping that he would stick around longer.
Zhypoh
Killing the the German off didn't bother me as much as setting up Knox as the "bad-******" villain escapee. The German seemed to have a lot more potential to develop into an interesting character, and his power was on a level that could actually take on a super like Sylar (Magnetism is one of the four forces the holds the universe together--being able to control is allows for a lot more then moving metal around).

Knox is kinds of a lame character in my opinion. Jamie Hector does a good job playing him, but he really doesn't have much to work with. The whole "revenge" angle gives the character all the depth of a Dixie-cup, and even as a villain, his power is kind of lame. We've seen super-strength before with Jessica, and the whole "he feeds on fear" make no sense (what is this, Buffy?) A good part of Heroes plot revolves around the pseudo-scientific nature of the super-powers; feeding on emotions doesn't fit with anything that has been explained so far.

Then again, dying in Heroes isn't a much of a ultimate end -- It's more a minor inconvenience. With Clair, Peter, Adam and now Sylar running around with resurrection-juice running through the veins, we may see more of the German yet. Plus we have Peter and Hiro, either one of which could pop back to before the German was run-through.
Agent X
the way that I see it, Knox first need to touch you then make you see your worst fear and the scarier you get, the stronger he gets while you are scared, he uses his super strength to kill you in one swift hit.

He can sense the level of fear in people, this can help in deciding which guy to attack first, which is exactly what happened with the german, as he "sensed" his fear level rising, he knew that he could catch the german off guard and kill him without him having the time to realize it.
Zhypoh
I've never seen it presented like that. In the GN and in the show, they've always just shown it as Other People's Fear == Knox's Strength. I guess you could explain it using Suresh's whole adrenaline breakthrough: Knox is mildly empathic, enough to feel other people's fear. Because he's a complete sociopath, the fear makes him excited, building up his adrenaline and releasing his power.

Still hoping the German will make a comeback though...
SacValleyDweller
I too was disappointed in this and wanted to see where they could have gone with the power and the guy too, so much for that dry.gif

I will say this however: Magnetism as a power, it a bit tough for me to grasp. Net results here are similar to TK. Big deal!
Zhypoh
QUOTE (SacValleyDweller @ Sep 30 2008, 10:33 AM) *
I too was disappointed in this and wanted to see where they could have gone with the power and the guy too, so much for that dry.gif

I will say this however: Magnetism as a power, it a bit tough for me to grasp. Net results here are similar to TK. Big deal!


Some reading to get your creativity flowing tongue.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heating
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_cooling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRI_scan
Gorbeh
QUOTE (RiddlerHanjinome @ Sep 30 2008, 07:03 AM) *
Like The Haitian?

Somehow, I don't think the Star Trek TV law is valid in this case

Yah they didn't kill off HRG when he was just HRG. Now we know his name but for the longest time we had nothing.
GoldSeven
I'll miss the German. He was so easy to understand. laugh.gif
electric1dude
This episode was totally awesome! like the previous two, but killing the German totally ruined my day. when the police arrived I was hoping to see him lift the cars like magneto, that would be totally awesome! biggrin.gif
Gorbeh
QUOTE (electric1dude @ Sep 30 2008, 03:26 PM) *
This episode was totally awesome! like the previous two, but killing the German totally ruined my day. when the police arrived I was hoping to see him lift the cars like magneto, that would be totally awesome! biggrin.gif

Exactly me too. Or to stop bullets in the air or something. If it weren't for the German getting killed I'd have loved the episode...but I hate it now.
oliveFoxx
His German was too funny, BTW. biggrin.gif

The accent when speaking English he did quite well but his "es ist offen" was not too authentic. wink.gif
tokhan
QUOTE (oliveFoxx @ Sep 30 2008, 11:13 PM) *
His German was too funny, BTW. biggrin.gif

The accent when speaking English he did quite well but his "es ist offen" was not too authentic. wink.gif


Yeah, I was laughing when he said that. Itīs a bit sad since I hoped that more non-American characters would be included in the show but since it was a German villain thatīs okay there are enough of them in US TV biggrin.gif
oliveFoxx
QUOTE (tokhan @ Sep 30 2008, 11:52 PM) *
Yeah, I was laughing when he said that. Itīs a bit sad since I hoped that more non-American characters would be included in the show but since it was a German villain thatīs okay there are enough of them in US TV biggrin.gif

Yeah, we rate just slightly below the Russians! But the Arabics are catching up. biggrin.gif
NE0
Do you think it was mistake for the show to cut off german too soon, and we don't even see a fight between him and sylar?
MaggieRyan
I honestly wasn't upset at all. The German didn't seem to be a very in-depth character, in my opinion. He didn't warrant enough importance to have a real name. And, obviously, he didn't know how to "hold his own" against Knox, so he wouldn't be much of a challenge for Sylar.

I think the writers created a lot of dispensable characters... and now they're disposing of them fairly quickly.
Gorbeh
QUOTE (MaggieRyan @ Sep 30 2008, 06:26 PM) *
I honestly wasn't upset at all. The German didn't seem to be a very in-depth character, in my opinion. He didn't warrant enough importance to have a real name. And, obviously, he didn't know how to "hold his own" against Knox, so he wouldn't be much of a challenge for Sylar.

I think the writers created a lot of dispensable characters... and now they're disposing of them fairly quickly.

He couldn't hold his own?!! He was taken off guard!! Knox could kill anyone, even Sylar or Peter, if he was able to catch them off guard. Anyone could really if they were able to shoot them in the head. So seriously don't say the German couldn't hold his own cause he could've easily beat Knox.
wolfhunter2
QUOTE (Brady5573 @ Sep 29 2008, 07:10 PM) *
I was thinking the exact same thing. I was totally backing his character and now I feel sad.

and seriouslly, 2 villains dead, 2 back in level 5. At this rate all 12 will be captured by episode 5!

but the episode was good. Can't deny that.

but argh... such a cool character. Im still praying that somehow all the villains come back. I would have even been happier if Sylar had eaten his brain than to be killed for no reason by Knox


Actually 2 Dead, 1 captured and 1 escaped. (Knox was not captured) dry.gif
MaggieRyan
QUOTE (Gorbeh @ Sep 30 2008, 08:10 PM) *
He couldn't hold his own?! He was taken off guard! Knox could kill anyone, even Sylar or Peter, if he was able to catch them off guard. Anyone could really if they were able to shoot them in the head. So seriously don't say the German couldn't hold his own cause he could've easily beat Knox.



Sorry, but if he spent enough time in Level 5 to observe Knox's power, then The German knew what Knox was capable of. Yes, everyone can be caught off guard, but The German should have known that he was in danger at the very beginning of the confrontation. He put too much trust in the group that he escaped with, and that was a fatal mistake.

Weakness is not always physcial. It can be mental and emotional, also.

I saw this scene as a way to demonstrate Knox's ability and get the point across that he is a danger.
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