UnfortunateImp
Sep 30 2008, 12:33 PM
We still don't know some of the powers he collected in early Season 1. Will we ever? I hope.
So, before he killed Zane, Mohinder said Sylar had killed at least six people from The List.
Audrey linked Sylar to eight murders in episode 7 which is like even before Homecoming.
We know Sylar didn't just kill the specials, he killed their human loved ones as well (easiest example, Mrs. Walker; Molly's mom).
James Walker and Mrs. Walker, David (from Turning Point), the Barstow victim, two victims from Noah's photos (they should be FBI photos so Audrey should know about them) and Charlie all cumulate into seven. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
8 - 7 = 1 and that's probably the FBI dude whom Sylar nailed to the ceiling with a chair.
James, David, Barstow, Photovictims and Charlie all cumulate into six; the dead people from Mohinder's list of evolved humans.
This means -subtracting Cryokinesis (which we don't know the source of) and Advanced Memory- Sylar has a total of four officially unknown powers.
Any ideas what these four powers can be?
Astroman77
Sep 30 2008, 12:48 PM
Wasn't it presented in last night's ep that Sylar had lost all his abilities other than TK? Or did I misunderstand? It would have been nice to know the others but if they are gone, it's not a big deal anymore. Right now, he has his Intuitive Aptitude, TK, regeneration, alchemy, object history and sound manipulation.
UnfortunateImp
Sep 30 2008, 12:51 PM
Lost all his old abilites? I don't think I got that impression from anywhere in the episode.
MagnificoG
Sep 30 2008, 01:00 PM
QUOTE (Astroman77 @ Sep 30 2008, 03:48 PM)

Wasn't it presented in last night's ep that Sylar had lost all his abilities other than TK? Or did I misunderstand? It would have been nice to know the others but if they are gone, it's not a big deal anymore. Right now, he has his Intuitive Aptitude, TK, regeneration, alchemy, object history and sound manipulation.
I was also disappointed not to see him use anything but TK... Clearly he still has the "Sneakiness" ability, as he was able to suddenly appear in broad daylight in a well lit entryway, as well as in Claire's house. It's very confusing since they haven't shown him use anything else. He DEFINITELY should have heard Claire sneaking up behind him.. I also find it hard to believe they haven't put him to work painting, either..what gives with his powers list?
UnfortunateImp
Sep 30 2008, 01:10 PM
Some believe he used his super-memory to remember Claire's address from Mohinder's laptop or something.
GoldSeven
Sep 30 2008, 11:18 PM
It's official: Sylar has to start from scratch. Read today's "
Behind the Eclipse"!
UnfortunateImp
Oct 1 2008, 01:56 AM
Wiping out Sylar's old abilities sounds so stupid to me but whatever. Why did they keep telekinesis? What makes it so special?
GoldSeven
Oct 1 2008, 02:37 AM
That baffles me too, but at least it's consistent with the Company finding nothing but TK when they had him prisoner. I really wonder if this one will ever be explained.
Astroman77
Oct 1 2008, 03:19 AM
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Oct 1 2008, 03:18 AM)

It's official: Sylar has to start from scratch. Read today's "
Behind the Eclipse"!
YAY!! That makes me happy. And I am not crazy with my interpretation. Now, if we can just reduce Peter's absorption range then we'll in even better shape.
GoldSeven
Oct 1 2008, 03:55 AM
It *could* be that, in the future, something happens that restricts Peter too. Let's face it, it would only be fair.
UnfortunateImp
Oct 1 2008, 04:11 AM
They should have kept some of the main character power too. Like Precognition and Radioctivity.
GoldSeven
Oct 1 2008, 06:35 AM
Well, if you power Sylar down but leave him radioactivity, then you don't need to power him down.
MagnificoG
Oct 1 2008, 07:17 AM
So they take away every acquired ability from S1 except TK from Sylar, and simultaneously remove all the weaknesses from S1 in Peter. Could it be MORE imbalanced now?
UnfortunateImp
Oct 1 2008, 11:52 AM
Now that Peter has Future Peter's powers too (not a spoiler, just a guess), yes it can get more imbalanced.
UnfortunateImp
Oct 2 2008, 04:08 PM
Okay, I don't care if they removed his old powers, I'm still gonna tell what I think about the unknown ones.
1) Of course, his stalking power. (probably teleportation, since that's what they showed us in the mobile game, the game which had revealed The Founders' names before Season 2 aired)
2) Some kind of immunity to chemicals and drugs. ("We have administered enough glycimerine to kill an elephant.")
3) The ability to slow his pulse or shut down his body or something? It might be a side-effect of his immunity or his intuitive aptitude (his body learning to counteract glycimerine with the best solution; shut down his body)
4) Something weird.
byerly724
Oct 3 2008, 11:23 AM
Actually i think the thing about him slowing his pulse and/or shutting down his body came from him studying the cockroach that was in his cell. They have the unique abilties of faking death, living through some of the worst conditions possible.
Don't forget his IA doesn't just mean he can study powered humans but also know how ANYTHING works. And understanding how something is working means you should be able to identify how is body works and mimic the same characteristics.
To me IA is the best power ever.
UnfortunateImp
Oct 3 2008, 01:12 PM
No way.
Citizen
Oct 3 2008, 01:28 PM
I wouldn't go as far as to calling IA the best ability, but I do agree that it's what helped him survive through captivity.
Also, I think its pretty strange how he lost all his abilities except telekinesis.
UnfortunateImp
Oct 9 2008, 07:12 AM
So, Future Sylar has Isaac's and Ted's powers, amirite? So maybe he didn't lose his old powers, making it possible that we might see these 4 unknown powers.
foryorent
Oct 28 2008, 09:24 AM
Sylar never got Charlies power in the current time line, Hiro went back and changed this. She still dies, but not by Sylars hands.
UnfortunateImp
Oct 28 2008, 09:30 AM
Read the GN Road Kill, Sylar uses Charlie's Super Memory in it.
So, in Eris Quod Sum, Angela says she is able to communicate with Sylar because of him. Is this supposed to mean Sylar has a psychic ability? Also, he did what he did in Parasite again; he used his powers while under a power-blocking drug's effects.
MagnificoG
Oct 28 2008, 10:12 AM
This is getting absurd... Does he have the S1 powers or not? The writing on this element of S3 is driving me bananas, with each episode seeming to contradict the one before it! We know he still has the sneak power, or can anyone think of a better explanation for his stealth stalking Claire, entering the Bank, and navigating through Pinehearst all the way into the lab where Peter was? I'm starting to think Beeman was just chain-yanking....
UnfortunateImp
Oct 31 2008, 08:32 AM
The writers say he lost his old powers, but it's not said in the show itself. And with the use of Precognition and Radioactivity in the future by Sylar, it looks like the show says Sylar has his old powers while the writers say the opposite.
And at that "Noah wants Steven to kill Sylar" scene, I can't tell if Sylar can hear Noah. But he DOES know Noah was trying to "use" Steven as he says "he's using us all" or something at the car.
Creator
Oct 31 2008, 08:57 AM
QUOTE (MagnificoG @ Oct 28 2008, 11:12 AM)

This is getting absurd... Does he have the S1 powers or not? The writing on this element of S3 is driving me bananas, with each episode seeming to contradict the one before it! We know he still has the sneak power, or can anyone think of a better explanation for his stealth stalking Claire, entering the Bank, and navigating through Pinehearst all the way into the lab where Peter was? I'm starting to think Beeman was just chain-yanking..
MagG,
It's safe to assume that Gabriel lost all his "Sylar powers" and has had to start over (exception: TK and IA). If you could but accept this premise and then use that lens to view this season, you might find new explanations for what you are being shown this season. We are led to believe that we will soon be provided some explanation about the why and what of Gabriel's/Sylar's powers. Hang in there!
Creator
Sazor
Oct 31 2008, 09:47 AM
QUOTE (Creator @ Oct 31 2008, 08:57 AM)

MagG,
It's safe to assume that Gabriel lost all his "Sylar powers" and has had to start over (exception: TK and IA). If you could but accept this premise and then use that lens to view this season, you might find new explanations for what you are being shown this season. We are led to believe that we will soon be provided some explanation about the why and what of Gabriel's/Sylar's powers. Hang in there!
Creator
great post,
we def need some explaining, however its clear he doesnt have at least hearing etc or there woulda been no stabbing and many more evesdrop sequences ;p
theheroesmaster
Nov 1 2008, 07:26 PM
This is all very Simple after stripping the Complexity that the Writers wove around it all.
Original Ability
Intuitive Aptitude [1.10 Six Months Ago]
First Season
Telekinesis (Brian) [1.10 Six Months Ago]
Dynamic Camouflage (Chameleon Girl) [2.12 Untold Stories]
Impenetrable Skin (Robert Keep) [2.12 Untold Stories]
Freezing (Unknown) [None]
Enhanced Memory (Charley) [1.08 Seven Minutes to Midnight]
Melting (Zane) [1.15 Run!]
Enhanced Hearing (Dale) [1.16 Unexpected]
Precognitive Trance (Isaac) [1.21 The Hard Part]
Induced Radioactivity (Ted) [1.22 Landslide]
Second Season
Shanti Virus prevented Sylar from getting any abilities this Season.
Third Season
At the beginning of the Third Season, Sylar has only has his Intuitive Aptitude & Telekinesis. Somehow Sylar has made Telekinesis into his Dominant ability while Intuitive Aptitude is hidden or Recessive.
Regeneration (Claire) [3.01 The Second Coming]
Alchemy (Bob) [3.02 The Butterfly Effect]
Clairsentience (Bridget) [3.03 One of Us, One of Them]
Sound Manipulation (Jesse) [3.03 One of Us, One of Them]
Angela "feeds" Sylar Bridget, who has Clairsentience, the ability to see the history of anything. Clairsentience allows Sylar to rummage through his past and regain all of his previous abilities. Future Gabriel proves this with Precognitive Trance and Induced Radioactivity and then Enhanced Hearing when Noah told Stephen to kill him. Gabriel has only used his abilities when needed and in the most professional of ways. It is not that he doesn't have the abilities, it's that he doesn't use them in the psychotic way that Sylar did. This sound a lot like a story we've all seen before in the First and Second Seasons... Niki and Jessica (Gabriel and Sylar).
I believe that Sylar has more abilities than he has not shown us. Evidence of this has been slipped in for a tease for any fan listening close enough for a clue here and there: Monhinder's Six Murders, Agent Hanson's Trail Arcoss Twelve States and Brastow, the Founding Members of the Company (as of the end of 3.07 Angela and Arthur are the only two still alive; this leaves four unknown deaths, Susan Amman, Paula Gramble, Carlos Mendez (Issac's Father) and Harry Fletch), James Walker's Ability is still Unknown and where did Sylar get the ability to Freeze? Some of these have been explained others are in a FBI File with a Top Secret stamped onto it or locked away by the Company.
Did I forget anything?
Sazor
Nov 2 2008, 09:23 AM
QUOTE (theheroesmaster @ Nov 1 2008, 07:26 PM)

This is all very Simple after stripping the Complexity that the Writers wove around it all.
Original Ability
Intuitive Aptitude [1.10 Six Months Ago]
First Season
Telekinesis (Brian) [1.10 Six Months Ago]
Dynamic Camouflage (Chameleon Girl) [2.12 Untold Stories]
Impenetrable Skin (Robert Keep) [2.12 Untold Stories]
Freezing (Unknown) [None]
Enhanced Memory (Charley) [1.08 Seven Minutes to Midnight]
Melting (Zane) [1.15 Run!]
Enhanced Hearing (Dale) [1.16 Unexpected]
Precognitive Trance (Isaac) [1.21 The Hard Part]
Induced Radioactivity (Ted) [1.22 Landslide]
Second Season
Shanti Virus prevented Sylar from getting any abilities this Season.
Third Season
At the beginning of the Third Season, Sylar has only has his Intuitive Aptitude & Telekinesis. Somehow Sylar has made Telekinesis into his Dominant ability while Intuitive Aptitude is hidden or Recessive.
Regeneration (Claire) [3.01 The Second Coming]
Alchemy (Bob) [3.02 The Butterfly Effect]
Clairsentience (Bridget) [3.03 One of Us, One of Them]
Sound Manipulation (Jesse) [3.03 One of Us, One of Them]
Angela "feeds" Sylar Bridget, who has Clairsentience, the ability to see the history of anything. Clairsentience allows Sylar to rummage through his past and regain all of his previous abilities. Future Gabriel proves this with Precognitive Trance and Induced Radioactivity and then Enhanced Hearing when Noah told Stephen to kill him. Gabriel has only used his abilities when needed and in the most professional of ways. It is not that he doesn't have the abilities, it's that he doesn't use them in the psychotic way that Sylar did. This sound a lot like a story we've all seen before in the First and Second Seasons... Niki and Jessica (Gabriel and Sylar).
I believe that Sylar has more abilities than he has not shown us. Evidence of this has been slipped in for a tease for any fan listening close enough for a clue here and there: Monhinder's Six Murders, Agent Hanson's Trail Arcoss Twelve States and Brastow, the Founding Members of the Company (as of the end of 3.07 Angela and Arthur are the only two still alive; this leaves four unknown deaths, Susan Amman, Paula Gramble, Carlos Mendez (Issac's Father) and Harry Fletch), James Walker's Ability is still Unknown and where did Sylar get the ability to Freeze? Some of these have been explained others are in a FBI File with a Top Secret stamped onto it or locked away by the Company.
Did I forget anything?
Interesting post with the tidbit on
Clairsentience. however, what you're failing to understand is -- while sylar having all of his abilities would make sense on every single level, he doesn't. The writers can be confusing sometimes, but its often the fault of the individuals on these boards for the confusion! We often times look very deep into things that are designed to be taken at face value for a broader prospect of an audience, and while are in depth knowledge of the show often paints a clear prediction of future episodes it has dramatic repercussions as well (such in case, Sylar and his s1 abilities)
Sylar unfortunately lost his s1 abilities, we are forced to accept that even if it's controdicted multiple times (examples: 1. Camo when chasing claire in se03e01, 2. EMP that took out the light when chasing claire 3. Procog painting in future 4. neucleur power in future) We are told he re-aquires these abilities in the four years time, even if in that four years he's a good guy! It certainly makes no sense right now, but i will tell you two things that will really help you comprehend this:
1. His intutive apitude is the only ability in the entire show (other then Clairsentience) that is not specified by the writers to attribute to a majority of what Sylar is capable of doing
case in short: 1. Yelling at cops with HRG outside of the bank
2. Understanding that Noah was using Steven to attempt to kill him (Proof: Every time super hearing is used in season 1, theres an effect on the audio and we [the viewers] are able to hear what the user hears. This example is shown by Sylar using the ability twice in s1)
3. His blatent recovory from any drugs administered to surpress his powers, as well as the Haitian 4. Understanding Emotion in people, and as such manipulating them (Mohinder season 1, claire season 3)
5. Knowing how knox's power works instantly in the future
2. Secondly, and this will really put your thoughts at ease:
We find out in the next episode, villains by means of hero traveling to past, that Sylar can absorb powers like peter, also Arthur in turn confirms this in future episodes and helps him unleash his full potential. This has been confirmed many times in the spoilers section!
After the general public learns this fact, sylar will be aquiring powers differently before sinking back to badass mode. This wasn't the original intent of the writers so we haven't seen any powers sylar has obtained in other means, but it will change things completely for Sylar, making him almost Arthur'esk (Having a ton of powers and not being a dummie like peter and using them) I know this post may be confusing, zero sleep, ill re-read and edit if it is !

Hope this helped
So yeah:
TLDR: The writers are boss, believe them. But they have some cool surprises in store for us!
Saviour
Nov 2 2008, 09:44 AM
QUOTE (MagnificoG @ Oct 28 2008, 07:12 PM)

This is getting absurd... Does he have the S1 powers or not? The writing on this element of S3 is driving me bananas, with each episode seeming to contradict the one before it! We know he still has the sneak power, or can anyone think of a better explanation for his stealth stalking Claire, entering the Bank, and navigating through Pinehearst all the way into the lab where Peter was? I'm starting to think Beeman was just chain-yanking..
I'm not sure if he's got a stealth sneaking ability as such otherwise surely we would have been told about it. I watched a bit of S1 the other day and interestingly, he did happen to just pop out of nowhere in the episode where he gets the super hearing ability (from Dale Smither?). They made a point of having her say that she didn't hear him coming and he says "there were no footsteps". Whether that was an early hint of what's to come or just sloppy writing? I have no idea.
Sazor
Nov 2 2008, 10:51 AM
QUOTE (Saviour @ Nov 2 2008, 09:44 AM)

I'm not sure if he's got a stealth sneaking ability as such otherwise surely we would have been told about it. I watched a bit of S1 the other day and interestingly, he did happen to just pop out of nowhere in the episode where he gets the super hearing ability (from Dale Smither?). They made a point of having her say that she didn't hear him coming and he says "there were no footsteps". Whether that was an early hint of what's to come or just sloppy writing? I have no idea.
I mean, if you've ever seen the x-men you know that characters like Jean Grey can use telekinesis to lift themselves, Same with DC and same with Heroes. Telekinesis can enhance sylars strength (how to stop an exploding man) and can also propel him into a tree out of harms way (during s1) He could definitely levitate to Dale.
But he DEFINITELY has overused some sort of shadow walking many many times throughout the show
some examples:
Season 1: How to stop an exploding man~ Peter: "He's hiding in plain sight" (After HRG says they have a GPS on him and he's on their location exactly) [Sylar then appears right behind them instantly]
The Fix: HRG looks into the company cell and see's only hank under the white blanket, sylar is no where to be seen. HRG steps into the cell and Sylar instantly appears against the wall in the shadows and subdues Noah.
Random episode in S1: Sylar throws Sandra against the wall and HRG and Haitian enter and shoot Sylar. Sylar instantly disappears into the shadows and gets away.
Season 2: No powers
Season 3: Sylar disappears and reappears on camera (reflection in glass) multiple times while chasing claire in episode 1. (Even when hes supposed to have no powers other then TK and IA)
feral
Nov 2 2008, 10:55 AM
"I didn't hear any footsteps."
"There weren't any."
I thought the popular consensuss on that was that he used the TK to levitate / fall slowly into killing range. Also there's a scene in season one where he disappears from the FBI, possibly using TK as a boost (force jump) to jump / float / move quickly up that ladder on the side of the building.
Sazor
Nov 2 2008, 11:05 AM
QUOTE (feral @ Nov 2 2008, 10:55 AM)

"I didn't hear any footsteps."
"There weren't any."
I thought the popular consensuss on that was that he used the TK to levitate / fall slowly into killing range. Also there's a scene in season one where he disappears from the FBI, possibly using TK as a boost (force jump) to jump / float / move quickly up that ladder on the side of the building.
Covered that in my above post friend <333
I agree
theheroesmaster
Nov 2 2008, 01:59 PM
QUOTE (Sazor @ Nov 2 2008, 12:23 PM)

Interesting post with the tidbit on Clairsentience. however, what you're failing to understand is -- while sylar having all of his abilities would make sense on every single level, he doesn't. The writers can be confusing sometimes, but its often the fault of the individuals on these boards for the confusion! We often times look very deep into things that are designed to be taken at face value for a broader prospect of an audience, and while are in depth knowledge of the show often paints a clear prediction of future episodes it has dramatic repercussions as well (such in case, Sylar and his s1 abilities)
TLDR: The writers are boss, believe them. But they have some cool surprises in store for us!
When has this show ever contradicted itself? It has an answer to everything it does!
I have a friend that said the same thing about Sylar when Parkman and Noah shot him in Season 1. I said he had other abilities and my friend said it was just the writers having control over the show. Same thing with appearing and disappearing.
Everything can be explained by either an ability or just being a normal human.
Maybe he doesn't have all his Season 1 abilities back... yet!
Gibe
Nov 2 2008, 02:30 PM
QUOTE (theheroesmaster @ Nov 2 2008, 04:59 PM)

When has this show ever contradicted itself? It has an answer to everything it does!
QUOTE
There are conflicting references as to Claire's age and birthdate. Before production began, a press release noted her age would be 17. In the televised episodes, a newspaper article reported Claire's age as 18 months during the fire on February 28th 1992, which would put her birth in August of 1990, and her age as 16. In The Fix (which takes place in October 2006), Claire says she is "almost 16"; this would suggest that her birth was in or after October of 1990. Further, Claire's birthmother tells Nathan that their daughter is now 16 (Run!). Claire is a junior (Distractions, Four Months Later...), and most juniors are 16 or 17. Her MySpace page indicates her zodiac sign as Aries (which would place her birthday between 21 March and 19 April) and her age as 19. In the commentary for Godsend, Jack Coleman states that Claire has just turned 16. In an interview Tim Kring stated that Claire is 16. At the 2007 San Diego Comic Con, Hayden Panettiere said her character is 15. Incidentally, Claire does drive (Collision); and the legal driving age in Texas is 16, though a driver can obtain a permit at age 15. In March 2007, Mr. Bennet gives Claire a Nissan Rogue for her birthday, which they note is "next month" (April 2007).
^ From Heroeswiki. Just for fun.
UnfortunateImp
Nov 6 2008, 10:48 AM
QUOTE (theheroesmaster @ Nov 2 2008, 05:26 AM)

This is all very Simple after stripping the Complexity that the Writers wove around it all.
...
Did I forget anything?
Dude, the Untold Story Powers do not exist. They remain in an alternate reality in which the virus is released. (However, I like thinking that Chameleon Girl was actually one of Sylar's early victims)
Also, I don't think Sylar has anything to do with the Founders' deaths.
Maserati777
Nov 16 2008, 11:23 AM
I wish he had these powers Dynamic Camouflage (Chameleon Girl)
Impenetrable Skin (Robert Keep) because they were awesome. The producers should put those scenes in the show at some point.
Anyways remember Mohinder mentioned 6 powers. I think this is how it went
1. Telekinesis - Brian Davis
2. Finger Shooting - Trevor Zeitlan
3. Cryokinesis - David
4. Levitation/Ability to sneak up on someone without them hearing - ______________
5. _____________ - James Walker
6. Enhanced Memory - Charlie Andrews
+
7. Enhanced Hearing - Dale Smither
8. Liquefacation - Zane Taylor
9. Precognition - Isaac Mendez
10. Induced Radioactivity - Ted Sprague
11. Rapid Cell Regeneration - Claire Bennet
12. Alchemy - Bob Bishop
13. Clairsentience - Bridget Bailey
14. Sound Manipulation - Jesse Murphy
Sifr
Nov 16 2008, 02:36 PM
I'm curious, in the Graphic Novel where he turns Dennis into a skeleton, while it looks like Jesse's power since he's yelling "No!" how on earth does he burn him into ash in no time at all? From the art it looks like he actually cooked him with radiation...
Consensus anyone?
feral
Nov 16 2008, 04:04 PM
One interesting theory I heard was that Sylar found a new use for Jesse's sound manipulation power to microwave Dennis.
UnfortunateImp
Dec 7 2008, 01:32 AM
Well he roars on that panel which points to Sound Manipulation, but a bright light comes out and Dennis' skeleton smolders after his death. It looks like he combined his two powers for a Radioactive Scream, but now it looks more like I'm ******.
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