DoctorClaude
Oct 6 2008, 06:06 PM
Obviously, Sylar's previously obtained powers are not gone for good. Unless Sylar goes after another Precog and Radioactive man, something is inhibiting him.
But what? Is there a power he needs to obtain before he can reaccess these old abilities?
Discuss.
Jumper
Oct 6 2008, 06:08 PM
No I think he regained the abilities he lost, he just couldn't get them before..
Wanderlust
Oct 6 2008, 06:08 PM
Yeah- the writers were all "ahhh he's starting off new!"
And BAM. He's pulled a Ted on us in the fourth episode.
Maybe there's like a "recovery" power, or maybe Claire's power just sort of healed him over time.
ChaosTheory
Oct 6 2008, 06:08 PM
That's a really good point. I don't think the writers were paying attention during that CBR interview when they said he was starting over. That or is a big overlook in the writing.
Aerdna
Oct 6 2008, 06:10 PM
Perhaps that isn't what they meant when they said that?
Alera
Oct 6 2008, 06:10 PM
Well technically it is 4 years in the furture. He could have gotten the power again.
Or is is just a very big oversight.
Leek
Oct 6 2008, 06:12 PM
I think he just chose to NOT to use those powers, I don't think he forgot or anything.
themightytruk
Oct 6 2008, 06:23 PM
Yup, it didn't make much sense for Sylar to have lost everything but telekinesis. He still has everything. You haven't seen him use them yet because you know how Sylar is. He loves that telekinesis. He didn't really feel a need to use any of those other abilities...yet. Still a bit frightening to think about all Sylar's capable of.
jman7221
Oct 6 2008, 06:24 PM
perhaps the death of his son was so traumatic that it triggered the release of lost powers, factored with his overwhelming anger he couldnt contain them which resulted in the explosion
Trihan
Oct 6 2008, 06:25 PM
Don't buy that explanation I'm afraid, considering he painted the future -before- Noah died.
HeroHunter
Oct 6 2008, 06:28 PM
Regardless of how he did it Im happy all those powers didn't go to a complete waste!
gchicago9
Oct 6 2008, 06:36 PM
lets keep in mind that this is a future where a lot of people have powers
we know that people started getting them sometime around present time, so that leaves a four year gap
four whole years for new people to get those abilities again, and sylar to take them
we have no idea when he stopped chopping off the tops of peoples heads, so i think theres a possible explanation for him having those powers again
HeroHunter
Oct 6 2008, 07:04 PM
QUOTE (gchicago9 @ Oct 6 2008, 07:36 PM)

lets keep in mind that this is a future where a lot of people have powers
we know that people started getting them sometime around present time, so that leaves a four year gap
four whole years for new people to get those abilities again, and sylar to take them
we have no idea when he stopped chopping off the tops of peoples heads, so i think theres a possible explanation for him having those powers again
I doubt Sylar hunted down another precognitive painter AND a man with induced radioactivity and obtained both of the powers over again if he was holding back the hunger while his child grew older. That would just be silly.
Imthehero
Oct 6 2008, 07:17 PM
I agree, someone must be out of the loop, and I'd have to say it isn't the show, because they had him use 2 of his more well known powers, and that is not only obvious, but is almost impossible to misunderstand. White eyes/ Future Painting and glowy hands and Mushroom Cloud.
BlastOff
Oct 6 2008, 07:18 PM
I don't see where he would have picked up those powers a second time while also raising his kid, who looks about 3, in the past four years. The only thing that bugged me is that Peter, Claire or Sylar could have given Noah their blood and brought him back to life. Obviously, that wasn't the first thing on Sylar's mind but it seems a shame that 200,00 people had to die for it.
ecspider
Oct 6 2008, 07:20 PM
QUOTE (BlastOff @ Oct 6 2008, 11:18 PM)

I don't see where he would have picked up those powers a second time while also raising his kid, who looks about 3, in the past four years. The only thing that bugged me is that Peter, Claire or Sylar could have given Noah their blood and brought him back to life. Obviously, that wasn't the first thing on Sylar's mind but it seems a shame that 200,00 people had to die for it.
Kensei and Claire both knew that Peter had healing, but said that Natha (in 2 different instances) needed their blood. It's debatable whether or not Peter, and now Sylar, can give their blood as a healing agent.
aulduron
Oct 6 2008, 07:21 PM
Maybe Sylar took FPeters power, which allowed him to cool down, and get Peters aquired powers.
rayne
Oct 6 2008, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (aulduron @ Oct 6 2008, 11:21 PM)

Maybe Sylar took FPeters power, which allowed him to cool down, and get Peters aquired powers.
or fsylar is the pre virus story timeline
ecspider
Oct 6 2008, 07:33 PM
QUOTE (rayne @ Oct 6 2008, 11:32 PM)

or fsylar is the pre virus story timeline
Good call, maybe they go back and change the past again..
Besarien
Oct 6 2008, 09:00 PM
I'm a little lost. Who said Sylar lost all his previously gained powers? I thought the can of Spinach scene was all about how Sylar was still Sylar after the cure.
Bergey
Oct 6 2008, 09:01 PM
QUOTE (gchicago9 @ Oct 6 2008, 10:36 PM)

lets keep in mind that this is a future where a lot of people have powers
we know that people started getting them sometime around present time, so that leaves a four year gap
four whole years for new people to get those abilities again, and sylar to take them
we have no idea when he stopped chopping off the tops of peoples heads, so i think theres a possible explanation for him having those powers again
According to FSylar, though, he has learned to control his hunger. Without the hunger he wouldn't gain any new powers most likely.
MagnificoG
Oct 6 2008, 09:48 PM
It seems the writer that said that was either out of the loop or jerking our chains... How sweet was it to FINALLY see Sylar as The Bomb..?!
Trayton
Oct 6 2008, 09:59 PM
Maybe thats a sign that the painted future always comes back around eventually?
FutureHiroII
Oct 6 2008, 10:01 PM
Call me crazy but maybe Sylar's slate WAS wiped clean. But what if he was actually a failed mimic with intuitive aptitude and that when he is 'fixed', he will become a full mimic. Future Sylar no longer had the 'hunger,' and he confirmed that himself. So what I think is this: Future Sylar was cured from the 'hunger' and was thus able to fully become a MIMIC. After coming into contact with Future Peter (which I'm sure he definitely did), F. Sylar mimicked all of F. Peter's abilities, which includes the ones that Sylar lost when the slate was wiped clean (which furthermore includes induced radioactivity).
Poop.
Trayton
Oct 6 2008, 10:05 PM
No, Gabe never said he lost his hunger. He said he fights it every single day. Its a daily struggle for him. And his power is his alone, hes not a mimic.
conspiracytheory
Oct 6 2008, 10:08 PM
Future Sylar wasn't cured of the hunger. When he talks to Peter he says that every day is a struggle, and that he only keeps it together for Noah, implying that he still has to fight against that base instinct that accompanies his intuitive aptitude.
(Trayton beat me to it on the first page.)
Trayton
Oct 6 2008, 10:11 PM
heck yea! or maybe i saw your reply and traveled back in time 3 minutes to beat ya to the punch. lol
Creator
Oct 6 2008, 10:24 PM
If he truly lost his gifts, it wouldn't take long for Gabriel to re-acquire a few previously ill-gotten powers. Look how quickly he amassed the seven he presently has. Presumably, he still has the hunger and he's a field agent for the Company. A company run by mom.
Creator
Trayton
Oct 6 2008, 10:32 PM
He's got the hunger yes, but i doubt he still works for the Company. I'm guessing either the Company went under, and its operatives were picked up by the US Govt. or Gabe quit for his son.
Sharpshoota34
Oct 7 2008, 12:46 AM
QUOTE (FutureHiroII @ Oct 7 2008, 02:01 AM)

Call me crazy but maybe Sylar's slate WAS wiped clean. But what if he was actually a failed mimic with intuitive aptitude and that when he is 'fixed', he will become a full mimic. Future Sylar no longer had the 'hunger,' and he confirmed that himself. So what I think is this: Future Sylar was cured from the 'hunger' and was thus able to fully become a MIMIC. After coming into contact with Future Peter (which I'm sure he definitely did), F. Sylar mimicked all of F. Peter's abilities, which includes the ones that Sylar lost when the slate was wiped clean (which furthermore includes induced radioactivity).
Poop.
Feeding off this, even though Sylar said he still has "the hunger", he was able to understand Knox's powers without killing him, so perhaps he understood P_Peter's powers when he came in and re-acquired them? Just a theory... Although it is more likely that the writer's just messed up.
Raekon
Oct 7 2008, 12:53 AM
The whole "hunger" plot is idiotic and an excuse in my opinion.
Most of all since they say its because his ability.
The reason why is obvious, in season two he had no abilities and he still was "hungry" for candices, alejandros and mayas powers.
Before you say that I don't know if his main power was active: it was confirmed that it wasn't because if it were he would had been able to get candices ability which he couldn't.
I think that the writers should had went through their scripts as also check what they showed us in season 2 before they go like "poor little sylar kills only because his ability makes him feel a "hunger" for others abilities".

Bad enough that they are trying to make a "good guy" out of him but using additionaly such things? Ugh!
tokhan
Oct 7 2008, 01:05 AM
QUOTE (ecspider @ Oct 7 2008, 05:20 AM)

Kensei and Claire both knew that Peter had healing, but said that Natha (in 2 different instances) needed their blood. It's debatable whether or not Peter, and now Sylar, can give their blood as a healing agent.
Well, I think Sylar´s blood could help because he really merges the power with himself, Peter just copies them.
Raekon
Oct 7 2008, 02:07 AM
It was said that only the true carriers can do that since their organizm is continuelly regenerating while others (like peter and I think even sylar) that copy the ability can't because they are using it only when needed.
That's also the reason why they had stated that adam and claire are immortals (or can be) while the others aren't.
With other words, sylar and peter will age with the time while adam and claire will stay as "young" as they were when the ability reached the state in which they become immortal(Maximum Regeneration).
Micah_Technopath
Oct 7 2008, 03:49 AM
QUOTE (Raekon @ Oct 7 2008, 04:07 AM)

It was said that only the true carriers can do that since their organizm is continuelly regenerating while others (like peter and I think even sylar) that copy the ability can't because they are using it only when needed.
That's also the reason why they had stated that adam and claire are immortals (or can be) while the others aren't.
With other words, sylar and peter will age with the time while adam and claire will stay as "young" as they were when the ability reached the state in which they become immortal(Maximum Regeneration).
I think that peter and sylar are immortal because the second their organs and tissue start to grow old and die, they can regenerate them. That would make them immune from dying from old age and isn't that immortality?
qfactor
Oct 7 2008, 03:55 AM
QUOTE (Leek @ Oct 6 2008, 10:12 PM)

I think he just chose to NOT to use those powers, I don't think he forgot or anything.
I agree
QUOTE (Besarien @ Oct 7 2008, 01:00 AM)

I'm a little lost. Who said Sylar lost all his previously gained powers? I thought the can of Spinach scene was all about how Sylar was still Sylar after the cure.
I think people are just trying to figure it out and coming up with their own ideas.
QUOTE (Trayton @ Oct 7 2008, 02:05 AM)

No, Gabe never said he lost his hunger. He said he fights it every single day. Its a daily struggle for him. And his power is his alone, hes not a mimic.
Yep.
Begemot Geroi
Oct 7 2008, 03:59 AM
QUOTE (Aerdna @ Oct 6 2008, 10:10 PM)

Perhaps that isn't what they meant when they said that?
Yeah, maybe they meant he was "starting over" in more of a psychological sense with a kid and all that.
Citizen
Oct 7 2008, 06:14 AM
I'm just going to decide to ignore that answer in the BTE. Or I can pretend Sylar regained the same abilities to feel like himself again.
oliveFoxx
Oct 7 2008, 08:00 AM
On the one hand I'm glad they have not stripped Sylar from all his powers. On the other this means, however, they were talking about the character himself that is starting over. Seems like my fears are coming true and Sylar will become a second Spike.

QUOTE (Raekon @ Oct 7 2008, 10:53 AM)

The whole "hunger" plot is idiotic and an excuse in my opinion.
Thank you, I started wondering if I'm the only one who's upset because of the idiocy of this plot. It destroys the very well done characterisation of Sylar we were given in S1.
UnfortunateImp
Oct 7 2008, 10:25 AM
His IA is all about "knowing and understanding" amirite? So maybe he just forgot the old powers for a while (mental blocks?) but remembered them later.
Synch
Oct 7 2008, 10:35 AM
QUOTE (oliveFoxx @ Oct 7 2008, 11:00 AM)

Thank you, I started wondering if I'm the only one who's upset because of the idiocy of this plot. It destroys the very well done characterisation of Sylar we were given in S1.
Idiocy: In the opinions of a handful of members.
And... how, exactly, does it destroy the characterization of Sylar in S1? IMHO, it aids it. It completes the characterization.
In S1 they told us that he was redeemable. In S3 they're telling us why.
daytonagk
Oct 7 2008, 10:44 AM
QUOTE (Trayton @ Oct 7 2008, 01:32 AM)

He's got the hunger yes, but i doubt he still works for the Company. I'm guessing either the Company went under, and its operatives were picked up by the US Govt. or Gabe quit for his son.
I am guessing that Sylar was unable to keep Claire from killing Noah and that is why he named his son Noah and the reason that he quit the company.
Just a guess.
QUOTE (Raekon @ Oct 7 2008, 05:07 AM)

It was said that only the true carriers can do that since their organizm is continuelly regenerating while others (like peter and I think even sylar) that copy the ability can't because they are using it only when needed.
That's also the reason why they had stated that adam and claire are immortals (or can be) while the others aren't.
With other words, sylar and peter will age with the time while adam and claire will stay as "young" as they were when the ability reached the state in which they become immortal(Maximum Regeneration).
So how did Peter heal from the glass in the head? He had no control of his abilities at that time. Healing is not always controlled by thought, it is a reflex. Even for the people that have acquired it.
darkcervantes
Oct 7 2008, 10:46 AM
why does everyone think he lost all his powers? WHERE HAS THIS BEEN CONFIRMED? He has all his abilities, he just primarily uses TK..I'm sure we all would, what are you gonna do, run around blowing stuff up and paint the future all day when you can be super uber cool and move stuff around like Yoda?
he has all his powers, this episode proves it
LV Linderman
Oct 7 2008, 10:46 AM
QUOTE (Raekon @ Oct 7 2008, 03:53 AM)

The whole "hunger" plot is idiotic and an excuse in my opinion.
I agree. They decided to change Sylar's psychological makeup. In the beginning, Sylar's "hunger" for gaining powers was to be "special", not to understand how things worked. Now the "hunger" is a byproduct of the intuitive ability . . . nothing about the personality of Sylar.
BlastOff
Oct 7 2008, 11:13 AM
QUOTE (darkcervantes @ Oct 7 2008, 12:46 PM)

why does everyone think he lost all his powers? WHERE HAS THIS BEEN CONFIRMED? He has all his abilities, he just primarily uses TK..I'm sure we all would, what are you gonna do, run around blowing stuff up and paint the future all day when you can be super uber cool and move stuff around like Yoda?
he has all his powers, this episode proves it
Apparently there was an interview with the writers of the show on CBR that said Sylar was starting fresh power-wise. Don't know the exact quote as I haven't read the interview.
Only3Penguins
Oct 7 2008, 11:22 AM
For those criticizing the fact that Sylar still seemed to be suffering from the hunger even when he was powerless last volume, the power and the hunger side-effect have been established to exist independently of each other. His power for understanding how things work manifested long before he became a murderer. The implication in Vol. 1 is that he was such a skilled watchmaker due to his intuition, and he seemed to have been making watches for quite a while already, but there was no evidence of the hunger prior to when he crossed paths with Chandra.
MagnificoG
Oct 7 2008, 11:29 AM
QUOTE (darkcervantes @ Oct 7 2008, 01:46 PM)

why does everyone think he lost all his powers? WHERE HAS THIS BEEN CONFIRMED? He has all his abilities, he just primarily uses TK..I'm sure we all would, what are you gonna do, run around blowing stuff up and paint the future all day when you can be super uber cool and move stuff around like Yoda?
he has all his powers, this episode proves it
It came from this interview "Behind The Eclipse" with writers/producers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18281I'm thinking we got red herring'd on Sylar again. Lord knows I've fallen for enough of that regarding this character since the pilot..(brain eating, anyone..?)
It seems once again I was just another name for a lolipop: SUCKA!
Synch
Oct 7 2008, 11:29 AM
iDannPK
Oct 7 2008, 11:32 AM
QUOTE (themightytruk @ Oct 6 2008, 10:23 PM)

Yup, it didn't make much sense for Sylar to have lost everything but telekinesis. He still has everything. You haven't seen him use them yet because you know how Sylar is. He loves that telekinesis. He didn't really feel a need to use any of those other abilities...yet. Still a bit frightening to think about all Sylar's capable of.
empath2380
Oct 7 2008, 11:37 AM
Maybe he has absorbed Peters gift and uses it to connect to people so he can use IA and figure people out.
oliveFoxx
Oct 7 2008, 12:51 PM
QUOTE (Synch @ Oct 7 2008, 08:35 PM)

And... how, exactly, does it destroy the characterization of Sylar in S1? IMHO, it aids it. It completes the characterization.
It completes it? S1 showed us one of the darkest sides of the human nature: the greed for power and the urge to be important. Now we're told that Sylar's just a victim to his ability. The responsibility is totally taken away from him. I hate it.
QUOTE
In S1 they told us that he was redeemable. In S3 they're telling us why.
No, actually S1 closed that door. He might have been redeemable but the incidents in "The hard part" made clear he's not anymore. Now we get a stretched and lame repeat of that.
QUOTE (LV Linderman @ Oct 7 2008, 08:46 PM)

I agree. They decided to change Sylar's psychological makeup. In the beginning, Sylar's "hunger" for gaining powers was to be "special", not to understand how things worked. Now the "hunger" is a byproduct of the intuitive ability . . . nothing about the personality of Sylar.
Excactly.
They are trying to tell us he's doing evil because he is forced to. But that's not how he was depicted in S1. The villain's a victim now.
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