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bhero2all
Will he succumb to the hunger or use it for the greater good? What role will his empathy play in this?

I find this to be the most intriguing storyline presented so far! A role change of sorts. I am so interested to see what way this goes. What are your thoughts?
Zensu14
I think it'll cause the reversal of who's good and who's bad.

I mean, if Peter starts giving into the hunger, wouldn't that make him like Sylar? It would tie into the whole good becomes evil, evil becomes good kinda thing.
iDannPK
I see the potential, but also miss Peter as the super-man protagonist. :[

Everyone could be a villain. Just as long as Peter stays the perfect all-powerful superman.

As Knox said. "Now I know you're lying. No one's that heroic."
bhero2all
Exactly Zen but who saves the world now if Peter is evil? Sylar?
lauryn
I'm not really a fan of Peter having this ability... i mean.. we saw it all with Sylar so I don't see how this is going to be too interesting.. unless they work together or soemthing.
DoctorClaude
"Turns out you're the Villain, Peter. I'm the Hero."
Kelly
I personally don't like it.

Peter never had to kill for power(s), he absorbs them. Besides, he doesn't make a good villain IMO. He's too conflicted all the time
bhero2all
I find it intriguing to see the way he handles it. He doesn't need power so what does he hunger for?

It seemed he was more hungering for the knowledge. While I'd tell him to read a book I doubt that is where they will go. I see Sylar teaching Peter to control it and use it. Either that or Noah.

Whether I like that idea or not is yet to be seen.
nickpowers101
I think Peter having the same ability as Sylar is interesting, but it really makes things weird: Peter and Gabriel are almost like two complimentary individuals - they both acquire abilities; just in a different way. Although, it's kinda cool that Peter has Gabriel's ability, I think it takes away from the show's balance and simplicity.
Kelly
I just had a thought..

why was peter not able to absorb gabriels ability before? he's been around him enough times?
delusions_of_grandeur
I have mixed emotions about this whole storyline with Peter absorbing Sylar's intuitive aptitude. I will wait and see how this turns out before making a judgment tho.
Zensu14
QUOTE (bhero2all @ Oct 6 2008, 09:22 PM) *
It seemed he was more hungering for the knowledge. While I'd tell him to read a book I doubt that is where they will go. I see Sylar teaching Peter to control it and use it. Either that or Noah.



lol. Noah as the Mentor figure?

QUOTE (Kelly @ Oct 6 2008, 09:25 PM) *
I just had a thought..

why was peter not able to absorb gabriels ability before? he's been around him enough times?


Because, Sylar was able to keep him from taking his core power, just like F_Gabriel said.
Trihan
When Sylar was being experimented on at Primatech the only ability they could find was telekinesis, which we know Peter has. We've never seen him use any of Sylar's other acquired abilities or his original one.

It's also possible that because Sylar knows how things work, he's able to figure out how Peter's absorption ability actually...absorbs and prevent it from taking any powers he doesn't want Peter to have. But then that wouldn't explain why he has telekinesis, and...bleh. I dunno.
Bubpheenam15
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Oct 6 2008, 10:27 PM) *
lol. Noah as the Mentor figure?

Well Sylar was wearing HRGs...or something like them.
Zensu14
QUOTE (Bubpheenam15 @ Oct 6 2008, 09:28 PM) *
Well Sylar was wearing HRGs...or something like them.


Really? I thought they looked more like the glasses that he used to have back in the episode Six Months Ago.
bhero2all
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With how crazy this is you never know.

This puts to rest the question of whether Peter had his ability. OMG this is going to be an awesome fight scene!
Dr. Chaos
Did Peter kill future Nathan?

I mean...holy ****.

(awesome scene by the way)
JLMeyer
I love this development, I hope he does have problems with it. Somehow I think he will just muddle it up (as long as he just doesn't mope around with it). I would like seeing him and sylar working together. rolleyes.gif That would be great.
Boingy420
This whole "Hunger" theme is gonna end as a Snickers commercial; I can see it happen. >=/
Imthehero
I almost pooped myself when he started looking at FNathan like he was a watch, it was pretty dramatic. Guess we can't blame Sylar when "always the Hero" Peter succumbs to the hunger and tries to scalp Nathan.
themightytruk
Wow, this is not the Peter we know. It shows just how strong this "hunger" that comes with Sylar's ability is to bring someone as good-natured as Peter to kill his own brother, albeit a future version.

If Sylar has the potential to move past this, it seems likely that Peter can too. Peter can fight this. I just hope he's able to do so before he goes so far.

While Peter's heroics are often accidentally the cause of a lot of problems, I can't see his ultimate destiny as a villain. Seems the only one who would be able to stop him would be the Haitian. Plus, with the character Peter was shown to be at the start of season 1, this dreamer with a destiny to save the world, the prospect of him ending as a villain seems horrible. There is a lot of good in Peter and he has shown a care for everyone. People he doesn't even know matter to him. He should be able to pull through this.

Also, the "hunger" shouldn't require removing people's heads so much, since Peter can just absorb abilities anyway.

Guess we'll have to see how this goes. Let's hope Peter can get back on task to saving the world.
Dr. Chaos
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Also, the "hunger" shouldn't require removing people's heads so much, since Peter can just absorb abilities anyway.

Sylar's ability wants a lil more than the power itself if you get what I mean.

Judging by the way Sylar was screwing around with Claire's head, musing about how incredible her brain is and Peter fixating on the watch (and Nathan's skull), Specials with Initiative aptitude seem more than compelled to find out the inner workings of something, it's about more than just having it.

But yeah, I'm curious to see why he'll need it later on.
eternitygoddess
I agree with the person who said they miss the simplicity and symmetry of the show.

Peter and Sylar's ability use to be opposites. Now the lines are becoming more and more blurred.
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (eternitygoddess @ Oct 6 2008, 11:43 PM) *
Peter and Sylar's ability use to be opposites. Now the lines are becoming more and more blurred.

Hmm, I think this episode actually did a nice job of reminding viewers that their powers are in fact quite different.

A lot of people usually assume Sylar's power has been exactly about taking other specials powers but it's much more than that, thats just one use for it.
empath2380
I bet they use this plot point to bring Sylar and Peter closer as brothers.
Tricky
Why would FPeter, who already has Sylar's power & specifically "the Hunger" that brands him as a monster in the future to all the other characters, tell himself not to repeat his mistakes, but then still send him to Sylar?

FHiro had a reason for being a homicidal terrorist, you know that FPeter's reason has got to be this...
jman7221
Fpeter didnt have sylar's power
Dr. Chaos
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Why would FPeter, who already has Sylar's power & specifically "the Hunger" that brands him as a monster in the future to all the other characters, tell himself not to repeat his mistakes, but then still send him to Sylar?

Because whatever Peter has to do to stop this future from happening, for better or worse, he's going to need Intuitive aptitude apparently and Future Peter has already caused numerous problems in the past with the best of intentions. it's now a problem better left to his previous self, he can't take much more risks, like he said, he's been stepping on too many butterflies.
blut
I'm thinking Peter's hunger is going to have some bad repercussions. It'll make him out to be a villain and Sylar, to be the good guy. This way, we'll see that though Sylar was once 'evil', it was only because of the hunger and will be evidenced by its effects on Peter. Then Sylar Gabriel can be fused into the storyline as a good guy and make the storyline easier to manipulate somehow.
The way FSylar died so quickly clearly indicates that the whole purpose of Peter going into the future was solely to gain that power, and FSylar was killed because he wasn't necessary anymore for whatever purpose because Peter has Sylar's IA and can combine it with his own empathy and other powers that he's accumulated.

So yeah, the purpose of Peter getting IA is so that Gabriel can develop more easily with the audience as beloved Peter suffers from the same thing as Sylar.
Tricky
QUOTE (jman7221 @ Oct 6 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Fpeter didnt have sylar's power



I'm just assumming that he did have Sylar's power & lied to himself about it. Why woud Clair hate him so & Matt allow his baby mama to use Molly's power to find evil Peter, unless he's been out there for 4 years doing something monstrous. His future self killed Nathan, that he did it again after getting Sylar's IA seems like a post-foreshadowing thing for just why FPeter has seemed so off so far this season.

It' like his absorbing Sylar's abiity & not being able to control it is just another one of those butterflies that he's stepped on, he can tell himself to not make the same mistakes he did, but he couldn't explain anything at all about why he's so different a person from his past self.
gareburger
Anyone else find it kindof weird how he named his kid after Noah?
tayroar
QUOTE (Tricky @ Oct 6 2008, 11:55 PM) *
I'm just assumming that he did have Sylar's power & lied to himself about it. Why woud Clair hate him so & Matt allow his baby mama to use Molly's power to find evil Peter, unless he's been out there for 4 years doing something monstrous. His future self killed Nathan, that he did it again after getting Sylar's IA seems like a post-foreshadowing thing for just why FPeter has seemed so off so far this season.

It' like his absorbing Sylar's abiity & not being able to control it is just another one of those butterflies that he's stepped on, he can tell himself to not make the same mistakes he did, but he couldn't explain anything at all about why he's so different a person from his past self.


Well they did see him as a terrorist and he is God like so I could see how they were worried being a government organization and all.

QUOTE (gareburger @ Oct 7 2008, 12:00 AM) *
Anyone else find it kindof weird how he named his kid after Noah?


I assume HRG made a large impact on FSylar's life (helping him stop the hunger) and died doing so or something and this is foreshadowing to that event.
Dr. Chaos
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It' like his absorbing Sylar's abiity & not being able to control it is just another one of those butterflies that he's stepped on

There were a lot of stupid mistakes Future Peter made in the past that he could have avoided when he went back but if intuitive aptitude is really the key to stopping this future from happening, it's one butterfly that just has to die.

Peter with the hunger is one person, he can learn to overcome it or shut it out, the future on the other hand is one huge boiling pot of a planet and an unstable mess.

If theres one risk he had to take, if it can fix the future, it's probably this one.
HeroHunter
QUOTE (blut @ Oct 6 2008, 09:26 PM) *
I'm thinking Peter's hunger is going to have some bad repercussions. It'll make him out to be a villain and Sylar, to be the good guy. This way, we'll see that though Sylar was once 'evil', it was only because of the hunger and will be evidenced by its effects on Peter. Then Sylar Gabriel can be fused into the storyline as a good guy and make the storyline easier to manipulate somehow.
The way FSylar died so quickly clearly indicates that the whole purpose of Peter going into the future was solely to gain that power, and FSylar was killed because he wasn't necessary anymore for whatever purpose because Peter has Sylar's IA and can combine it with his own empathy and other powers that he's accumulated.

So yeah, the purpose of Peter getting IA is so that Gabriel can develop more easily with the audience as beloved Peter suffers from the same thing as Sylar.


If Future Sylar had Claire's ability which he should have than he would have survived the explosion just the same as Peter did in the first season so I wouldn't assume Future Sylar actually died in the first place.
Trayton
actually, Gabe wouldnt need Claire's regenerative ability. Ted, or anyoen else with IR isnt affected by thier own power. If they were, they'd be super crispy every time they let loose thier ability, just like the pyros.

But im thinkin if Pete lets Gabe take his power, they'd be essentially twins and work on saving the world together. OH MY FREAKIN GAWD!!!
g15010
QUOTE (HeroHunter @ Oct 7 2008, 01:21 AM) *
If Future Sylar had Claire's ability which he should have than he would have survived the explosion just the same as Peter did in the first season so I wouldn't assume Future Sylar actually died in the first place.



Back in season one Ted could survive his own ability anyways, even without Claires power. I think he still would have survived with or without it.
Gorbeh
I wonder if Peter is gonna "eat" Claire's brain too lol. That could be why she hates him so much...
Trayton
That could be. Or it could be that everythings turning whoopty doo on her what with her "brain molestor" now working with her "dad".
Gorbeh
Maybe both?
Trayton
On a show like this, the possibilities are endless my friend.
aussiebattler16
In the scene where Peter reads Nathan's mind im curious as to what he actually learned, cause it

made his really ****** off, 'hunger' or no 'hunger'. but yes, the struggle to

control the urge is going to be great to watch, but i think Peter will overcome

it, he's stronger mentally than Gabriel smile.gif (i think it's right that we call him

by his real name now)
the scene where sylar is holding his son broke my heart sad.gifsad.gif

Anakoreta
Gabriel and Peter are two sides to the same coin, so when Peter gets Sylar's power- it kinda messes up the analogy. :/

I think Peter will overcome the 'hunger', he's learned to control other disastrous powers before. Albeit not without some bad happening first, be he still finds a way to persevere. Cos' with Peter it seems like he'll try and try again to get something to work.
ctcswat
QUOTE (Kelly @ Oct 6 2008, 07:25 PM) *
I just had a thought..

why was peter not able to absorb gabriels ability before? he's been around him enough times?


I think Peter colud only mimic the ability used.Thats why he has Sylars TK and nothing else...until now...Peter has never been around Sylar when he used anything but TK
darkcervantes
this hunger with Peter makes no sense! He doesn't need to slash brains to get abilities..wtf is the point?
Imthehero
The point is that it isn't just a hunger for power, it is a hunger to see how things work, and when FNathan was being all wierd, Peters Hunger wanted to see what made his brain work. It wasn't about Nathans power (which Peter already had), it was just a desire to see how his mind worked, literally.
bhero2all
Alright this is my take and if I remember correctly Kurt also presented it. It's not a hunger for power. He has the power. It's a hunger for knowledge. He was searching for Nathans true intentions when he sliced his head. Not Nathans power. Peter can fly and do any of those things. It's not like he lost those abilities. It's simply now he has the hunger to understand them completely, to delve deeper into his mind reading capabilities, to fly faster, any of those next steps in the powers he has not reached yet.

I think the head slicing was simply to have better access to the brain/thoughts.

Its an uncontrollable thirst for knowledge, to know all. Interesting..

Edit: laugh.gif Just saw your post Imthehero... Kinda the same. Agreed. smile.gif
Creator
Imthehero,

I don't think that you can separate the hunger for knowledge from the hunger for power. They co-exist. And that's why F_Gabriel was trying to spare Peter...because they're inseparable [knowledge-power/power-knowledge]. Besides, who would know/understand this dilemma better than he?

Creator
enovak
QUOTE (bhero2all @ Oct 6 2008, 10:09 PM) *
Will he succumb to the hunger or use it for the greater good? What role will his empathy play in this?

I find this to be the most intriguing storyline presented so far! A role change of sorts. I am so interested to see what way this goes. What are your thoughts?



I'd like to see the greater good of cutting open someone's head and poking around their brain with his fingers. LOL

Picklehead
QUOTE (blut @ Oct 7 2008, 04:26 AM) *
I'm thinking Peter's hunger is going to have some bad repercussions. It'll make him out to be a villain and Sylar, to be the good guy. This way, we'll see that though Sylar was once 'evil', it was only because of the hunger and will be evidenced by its effects on Peter. Then Sylar Gabriel can be fused into the storyline as a good guy and make the storyline easier to manipulate somehow.
The way FSylar died so quickly clearly indicates that the whole purpose of Peter going into the future was solely to gain that power, and FSylar was killed because he wasn't necessary anymore for whatever purpose because Peter has Sylar's IA and can combine it with his own empathy and other powers that he's accumulated.

So yeah, the purpose of Peter getting IA is so that Gabriel can develop more easily with the audience as beloved Peter suffers from the same thing as Sylar.



who said sylar died? he used ted power. he is immune to the explosion just like ted and peter are.

QUOTE (ctcswat @ Oct 7 2008, 01:30 PM) *
I think Peter colud only mimic the ability used.Thats why he has Sylars TK and nothing else...until now...Peter has never been around Sylar when he used anything but TK



not true he regenerated without ever seeing claire regenerate. he also turned invisible before he ever knew he was invisible with claude. There are many other examples as well. Peter gets every power he is around. Sylar did not give him the power in this episode. He just showed peter how to use it.
Synch
QUOTE (Picklehead @ Oct 7 2008, 11:44 AM) *
Sylar did not give him the power in this episode. He just showed peter how to use it.


"I need your power" (or words to that effect)
"I won't let you take it" (or words to that effect)

I hate to break it to you- but Peter didn't have IA.
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