In the episode Angela said to Hiro (not in that many words) that Adam was the key and that Hiro had that key all along... Hiro himself said when digging the grave "if I knew i had the key all along I wouldn't had bury it so deep" or something like that. Now my question is... the key to what?

It will be really sad if once again they bring a cool connection and then leave it without any explanation. I think they can go to very interesting paths if they make this an important arc and not just to bring David Anders for the sakes of his fans (I am a fan of David, he was really good). It is logical to believe that Adam, living for so long, didn't put all his eggs in one basket, hence creating different groups along the way (the originals, Pinehearst etc...). For all they have shown us (and I granted, not much) it seems he is a strategic thinker and living for so long he probably see wayyyyy into the future when making plans. If this is a dead end, then David Anders most have the greatest agent that ever lived... he is been paid for 2 episodes with the total air time of 3 seconds and one line ("hiro, you son of a b...) so, geee, he got a sweet deal LOL.

What you think?

I am thinking that the formula was created from Adam’s blood. I think he is the only person with real powers. Everyone else got their power from the formula. So Adam has the key (in his blood) to take powers away.

Wow...that's an interesting theory daytona..

I was thinking it was just because adam is the easiest way to "get in the heads" of people who want to destroy the world because of his vast experience...

That's an interesting theory indeed. Also, we seem to forget a lot of Season 2 story (I liked season 2, so i still keep tally of how much is reffered to on season 3). Linderman, angela and we have to assume Arthur were Adam's disciples. I think that of the three, Adam trusted Linderman and Arthur the most. When he set up a counter balance to the company (Pinehearst) he gave control secretly to Arthur and Linderman. A good tactitian will have someon on both sides so he can keep track, henced why Linderman was also in the company... in fact, now that I think about it, maybe Adam gave Arthur Pinehearst and Linderman the Company... when Linderman died and Arthru saw how the Company was been run (by people from the Anti-Adam faction) he decided that instead of been a parallel organization, they will go for their own agenda and defacto became the Company's enemies... this top with Adam understandable hate for the no good traitors in the company gave Arthur a perfect opening.

Big props to you, daytonagk! That is an awesome theory! I'll admit that never occured to me. I was thinking more on the line of his blood being a key, but not the key that UNLOCKS the potential.

I'm digging the idea being flown around here but my simpler interpretation was that Angela simply has reason to believe that only Adam would know where Daphne might be going, who she might be working for, etc. and so Adam is the key to finding her and retrieving the formula.

But the thing about Adam's blood is a much cooler idea.

It could be simple as that... but then begs another question...How would Adam know? If the timeline of events is correct, he was imprisoned 30 years in the Company... then out for less than a month and imprisoned for at least 3 weeks in a grave... how, when, why he would know about Daphne or where she might be if its not the fact that he knows about Pinehearst and if he knows it is because he has a part of it? It ties up with the theory about his blood... I mean, he had to know, dont he?

does it show up in the graphic novels? how adam would be linked to daphne or her boss?

Dont know, been a while since I read one

No the latest one is about future Claire.

Out of the people with abilities the one with the greatest experience is Adam.

In the ending of the GN "Pursuit" Adam decides he cannot do things alone. That he needs allies... disciples.

The founders were just his latest ones.

Prior to the formation of the Company there are was an organization that tracks people with abilities.

The mysterious Evaluators who hires Linda Tavera via a handler middleman in a similar fashion to Daphne in the GN.

Now in Hana's series in the GN she was sent by the Company to spy on a guy named Dr. Henry Strauss in a country in Africa, a microbiologist whose research has revealed a formula to alter bacterial DNA.

Is he in anyway related to Tracy Strauss?

Angela seems to suggest that there is another organization out there that is too covert even for them.

Thus in this season is more than Heroes vs Villains but the Company vs Pinehearst.

So my theory about him been the founder of Pinehearst is not that far fetch I hope.

I got the impression that Adam is the one that Kaito was refering to in his video. The one who is pure of blood. Although I could be totally off base.

You know, I never thought of Adam as "the chosen one" that Kaito reffered to, I am under the impression that is Claire just because the writers want to give Claire more star status that she already have in this show, I can't concieve them thinking of anyone else (I am sorry, but I think they overrate Claire way to much, in the last three seasons she is even more overrated than Hiro and Peter). I mean, definetly it stands to reason that Adam is the pure blood. GN's not withstanding (not everyone who watches the show reads the GNs) he is as far as we know the first and oldest living special, so yeah, it could be him (although I still think the writers are going with Claire just because is Claire).

This theory about Adam's being the only one with real power is a nice one!! good one daytona

Adam meets a cloner in one of the GN's

He's not the orgin of powers, just someone with them, maybe one of the oldest.

I honestly believe it's just another one of Angela's scheme's. She told Hiro that to manipulate him into getting Adam back.

I like the parallel here. Peter has to get help from Sylar now Hiro will have to get Adam's help.

However reluctantly they are.

Now we know Kaito mentioned that is was legacy passed from his father.

We don't know which grandfather is was Hiro was referring to in the first GN that was around when Hiroshima got bombed.

FPeter mentioned that powers were the weapon of choice in the future.

This reminds me of the manga and anime Zettai Karen Children where in its AU history Espers or people with powers were used as soldiers in war and is considered a national treasure.

The main villain was a WWII veteran which was part of the special Esper battalion fighting Americans till his superior tried to kill him.

Now in the past the formula was probably originally intended as a weapon.

Adam could be involved with it somehow.

And knows who could be behind it.

Yes RedWolf, I saw that anime too... cool.

We know that Adam has been drawn to destruction, in the GN he admits seen the harbor all destroyed was a beautiful sight. He also realized that in order for him to accomplished the destruction he wants, he needed disciples, allies. What better than to have a whole army of people with abilities to do your bidding? And if the writers go with what I hope they will go with (not that I am holding my breath for it), it will be shown that Adam set up Papa Petrelli to be the leader of Pinehearst while Linderman to be in the company so his dreams of world "salvation" will be realize. He didnt count on 3 things tho: 1) been betrayed and 2) Hiro stuffing him in a casket six feet under and 3) an emo dude like Peter messing everything up. The question is.. if it is like this, why didnt Papa Petrelli or Linderman tried to safe him from Level whatever in the company? Good stuff!

Um...if all they needed to do to bring Adam back was dig a hole in the ground, why not just hire a guy with a back hoe to do it? Seriuosly, this show has gone from one of my favorite things to watch to something I watch out of habit. I find myself laughing at things that are supposed to be serious. Writing and acting have become shells of what they were.

Just a little thing that might go against the theory that Adam is the only true Hero. Didn't he fight Evan, who could clone himself, way back in the past before any kind of genetic research could have taken place? It is implied, by his name alone, that he was the first to have abilities.

Yep.

And it's implied by Noah's name that he's going to build a giant boat and start shoving animals in it.
And Sylar's real name implies that he's really an angel.
And Peter's name means that Linderman really should be speaking to him about the whole "God's Plan" thing.

Wasn’t Adam one of the Villains that Angela saw in her Dream where all of the heroes had been slaughtered?
If so why bring him up for air?



If he did I don’t remember it. Can anyone confirm this clone battle?

It was in the GN. But not many people who watch the show read the GNs, so as far as what we had been shown, he is the first one. Besides, the fight with Evan was like 80 years after the events with Hiro and Yaeko, so Adam could still be the first one.

To my knowledge Hiro never told anyone where he put Adam.

Don't forget that the graphic novels have shown at least one other hero that predates Adam (See GN 71.)

Here you go Graphic Novel - Chapter 61

OK but that was not in the time of the Takezo Kensei legend.

Maybe Angela is a very devoted follower of Adam's..and all of the other leaders of the company have been killed. Maybe she's not used to leading and needs that leadership, though she is very capable on her own, she's just not used to being responsible for everything. And Adam's blood is probably the key to the formula to make everyone else "special".

But thankfully the writers are a little more subtle than that You could say Noah was living up to his name in five years gone when he was gathering up all of those with powers and protecting them from what was to come. Gabriel was the angel of death for a while and has now gone on to instigate the war. As for Peter you could say he is the strongest of all as Saint Peter was amongst the apostles but I'm no expert on the subject. Adam's name seems more like an ego thing. He picked it out for himself and it seems like he's the kind of person who would like to think of himself that way judging by the way he preached to Hiro at the end of season 2. Just thoughts though, seems to be lots of religious names and themes running through Heroes but you'd have to ask the people who named the characters about that.

Back on topic though it does seem like Kaito is referring to Adam when he mentions the pure blood (as EdensDemise suggested), I can't imagine anyone else it could as we don't yet know who has been given powers through science and who through their heritage. I just wonder if there is anything in the fact that fPeter mentions the divide between those who have powers and those that have been given powers. Could it be that Pinehurst and Primatech represent the two sides, those who are naturally gifted and those that have had their gifts created by the formula? I'm sure it will all be revealed in good time though, possibly next week judging by the trailer

Oh and I just thought of something when i read the word pure again. It could be a reference to the bloodline that Adam may have started 400 years ago and become tainted or distilled in the 400 years since. So this might explain why Mohinder's little experiment has gone a little bit wrong as he did not get his sample from the pure blood.

I'm not on boat with the Adam being only real special , and all the rest being created mainly because I think it contradicts whats being set up.

However, perhaps Adam is the key to the formula in which his dna/blood must be used to make the formula.

Yep. As I understand it, according to the GNs, Pharaoh Khufu would be the oldest known. He died ~ 2560 BC, I believe.

Except he fought a dude with powers in the revolutionary war.

I actually agree with your discussion about the names. I've pointed out the angelic imagery around Sylar frequently during S1, and periodically during S2.

My sarcastic reply was targeting the "literal" interpretation of Adam's name.

Well at least it got me thinking about it anyway Came across a nice little reference in doing so.

After Enoch informed the Watchers of their fall from Grace, Yahweh sent the archangels to earth to complete various tasks. Gabriel was to 'Go to the biters, to the reprobates, to the children of fornication, the offspring of the Watchers, from among men; bring them fourth and excite them against one another. Let them perish under mutual slaughter; for length of days shall not be theirs.' Enoch 10:13. And so, Gabriel instigated wars among the Giants (the children of the Watchers).

Could possibly be tied into his boom starting the war of powers.

I belive that some of the heroes are created by the company, and the rest are decendents of adam.



Was Pharaoh Khufu the clone guy? If so he could be a grate grandchild of Abam

No that was Evan.

Khufu's brother's power is telekinesis. So is Khufu's descendant in a way.

It explains how the Pyramids was built. In Primatech Paper's vault there is a replica of a pyramid among other things.

Adam is only 400 years old, give or take, not 5000 years old.

The problem with the GNs is that not all the people that watch the show read the GNs. That said, the analysis has to be done with what is shown on the show. Based on what is shown on the show, as far as we know, Adam is the oldest of the specials. Also, he is the oldest of the specials alive. Now, when and if the show explain the other specials before Adam, then we will have a better understanding.

Adam been the chosen one? well, i dont think they will go down that road. It is my opinion that the writers wrote that in order to give Claire another reason for she been "more special than special" as Sylar implied. This was done once before, in season 1 she was the battle cry for Peter, Issac and Hiro: Save the cheerleader... you know the rest .

Logically, one will assume is Adam. From what has been shown in the show, he is the first, oldest and according to some, more evolved than all the rest (Angela's confession to Matt in season 2). But I dont think they will go with that in this case (tho i hope they do, it will be quite interesting to see), I still believe that is either Claire or on the extreme Sylar (why Sylar, the only reason I have to supect him I that they are upping him up this season, henced they want to really give him everything).

Now, the formula thing, I can see Adam been the source for it. They made a big deal about his blood in Season 2 (and then neutralize the effect by implying that Claire, Peter and god forbids now Sylar also have the ability too, thats my major issue with the writers). The bigger question is why Angela and Kaito had the 2 halves of it. One was a comfirmed anti-Adam, the other was a comfirm disciple. Interesting things can develop from this.

This is off topic but dose the line Save the Cheerleader Save the World still hold true? Peter has to save Claire from becoming what she is in the future?

That's exactly why they split the formula- checks and balances. There would have to be agreement from both sides in order to put the formula together, so no one person could decide to unleash powers on the unsuspecting world. Although it seems they learned that the hard way, after experimenting on the current generation.

Dude the graphic novels DO exsist and as far as i know they are cannon so
you are beating a dead horse with that putting your fingers in your ears and humming routine

Dude, you are absolutly right...as far as you know, cause you read them... answer me this, dude... it is cannon if like 6 million of the 8 million viewers dont even know the GNs even exist? Because for example, my gf, her mom and dad, her brother, my friends who watch heroes dont know there is GNs otu there... so how can it be explain to them that "dude, in the GN there is this..." when they will go.."what the **** is a GN?"
Oh and by the way, how many of the GNs have had any relevance in the story shown in the show, you know..on the TV? because I had read the GNs and using one as example, the one about Adam and Evan... has it been shown in the show, mentioned, discussed, flashback, had any inherence importance? in fact, the only thing that has any correlation with the show is the "disciples" bit, and that was shown first in the show and then put in the GN... is like saying that all the fanfictions are cannon because it says "Heroes" on the beginning. The GNs...dude... are just a way to keep the highly obsessive fan base (meaning all of us who write in this forums) interested and to wet our appetites so when the series start again, we will watch... make me feel like a junky, geeeee..

And the horse was already beaten to dead... and is fun to hum

Adam being the key is interesting... wasn't it a key he was reaching for when Hiro entered the vault in the last episode of season 2?

I also think that Angela's interest in Adam is more personal as well as his being "the key". Anyone remember the large diamond ring she was twirling around her finger while she was talking to Nathan about NOT going to visit Meridith?

During the regular season, all of the graphic novels tie into ongoing events on the show. While the show is meant to stand on its own, the graphic novels enhance the story and give many additional details, including character motivations, histories, and relationships.

More than half of the currently 106 graphic novels have direct relevance to the show. You can certainly enjoy the show without reading them, and you can even speculate based on the events as you see them, but you have to acknowledge the importance of 300-350 pages of material that is directly related to the events on screen.

It has been revealed in a recent TV guide that Adam is the key to an Adam-shaped keyhole.

hana? the german? both characters were introduced to us in the online content before they were shown in the actual show. the gns give a great insight on things but they are not something you have to read in order to keep up with the show. for example right now we are not even supposed to know why hiro said adam is the key. actually he might've buried a key with adam for all we know (the golden key in the vault). we are speculating.

now someone made up a theory that maybe adam is the oldest "special" and someone only told them that that is not correct, we have read about the pharaoh. we dont need to know that, its just some additional information. in the show no one ever raised the question of adam being the oldest hero. if that had been done in the show then i think the actual show should explain to the viewers what the GNs have already told us.

i got through season 1 just fine without reading any of the GNs and im sure everyone who doesnt want to read the GNs or dont know about them will be just fine during this season and all of the seasons to come.

now as for adam being the key, i actually kind of liked the idea of his blood being the basis for the original formula. i think we might be getting more on this next monday!

I don't think Adam's blood will take powers away, but Alejandro's adrenalin (possible spoiler) might be able to.

The reason I think Hiro's been sent to fetch Adam is cause Angela saw him in her dream, so she knew he was key that future. One thing I think Angela will do is confront Sylar with Adam, so that Sylar can gain all of the history and experience Adam knows using Bridget's ability.

Adam is LITERALLY the key. There is a lock somewhere that has an Adam shaped hole. If Hiro sticks Adam in the hole, like a key, the lock will become unlocked.

This is a very sad and true statement my friend. I agree totally. It's become the same exact thing for me. I had high hopes for season three but (sigh) I've become very disappointed in the show.

Beat you to that one, I'm afraid

No you didn't! Where's the proof! You offered no link! On second thought, don't bother showing a link. You dishonest time travelers are always stealing my ideas! And you go back in time and post it before me so no one will believe that I came up with it first! Darn you all to heck, the lot of you!

Sincerely,
ClayAikenRocks
Founder of Citizens Against Time Travel