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rayne
peter fixes the watch with sylers ability to understand how too but which ability did he use to make the gear new. tk only made the parts move in the air.
Citizen
TK probably made the gear unbend too.
Danxcore
fix the clock save the world?
Days
The whole point of the scene was for Peter to learn how to fix it...

Think of Peter's TK as a tool a watch-maker has. It doesn't matter what he uses to fix it, it only matters if the watch-maker understands exactly how it works. Peter does indeed use TK, but he was only learning how the power works...

Peter's TK was just a super advanced tool..
kiddk1
QUOTE (Days @ Oct 7 2008, 08:58 PM) *
The whole point of the scene was for Peter to learn how to fix it...

Think of Peter's TK as a tool a watch-maker has. It doesn't matter what he uses to fix it, it only matters if the watch-maker understands exactly how it works. Peter does indeed use TK, but he was only learning how the power works...

Peter's TK was just a super advanced tool..


Exactly, Peter needed to learn how things work in order to understand them, not just how abilities but anything in the world, with the knowledge of how things work he can stop things from happening.
rayne
QUOTE (kiddk1 @ Oct 7 2008, 09:05 PM) *
Exactly, Peter needed to learn how things work in order to understand them, not just how abilities but anything in the world, with the knowledge of how things work he can stop things from happening.


he could hav fixed the watch with micahs ability buy that was a great scene.
Dr. Chaos
QUOTE (rayne @ Oct 7 2008, 09:28 PM) *
he could hav fixed the watch with micahs ability buy that was a great scene.

I don't believe Peter knew what Micah's ability was or that he even had one.

If he does end up using it, it'll probably be by accident or some sort of instinct some day.

I'm not entirely sure Micah can talk to machines that are that primitive but then again, we don't know the exact limitations or reach of that ability.
LowerTheBar
Even if Micah could talk to the watch, I'm not so sure "unbend your parts" is a command the watch can obey.
Raekon
QUOTE (kiddk1 @ Oct 8 2008, 03:05 AM) *
Exactly, Peter needed to learn how things work in order to understand them, not just how abilities but anything in the world, with the knowledge of how things work he can stop things from happening.


Well and thats another failure that stands in front of his door because sylars ability unfortunately on works more on technical manner than in overall when it comes of "figuring out how things work".

Would it be as peter thought, then both would had evaluated the situation in a better way and have a better outcome instead of getting the boy killed and additionaly everyone else in this part of the city.

- dr.chaos: a technopath can fix any device
- lowerthebar: Micah says he can talk to machines because he is mostly using his ability on digital devices, however technopaths "normal" can put together any mechanical device no matter if its electronic or not. smile.gif

Additional, peter had sylar ability but didn't knew how to access it like he also doesn't know how to use super hearing, zanes melting ability and so on.
BluePrints
I can understand the mechanical fixing of the clock, but I want to how he fixed the cracked glass covering the watch. Peter must have some skill at glass blowing or something. Hey he could probably make a wicked bong I bet. Or fix some stoners broken one. Now there's an ability a lot of people would want.
Never
I had believed the glass never was fixed? I don't think it showed the front being fixed, he just made it work again.

Although I just want to point out, if Peter needed sylar's ability to figure out he had to unbend a gear and put it back where it was..then dear god the world is doomed.

Edit: While I realize the watch was just a way of getting peter to understand how the ability worked, that was a pretty straight forward fix wasn't it? =\
UnfortunateImp
I think IA kicks in after the watch is fixed. Because you know, he doesn't see it actually working until it is fixed and stuff...
Synch
QUOTE (Cornhole @ Oct 8 2008, 09:03 AM) *
I think IA kicks in after the watch is fixed. Because you know, he doesn't see it actually working until it is fixed and stuff...


IA had to kick in before the watch was fixed- or else he wouldn't have known how to make it work.
morena
QUOTE (rayne @ Oct 7 2008, 06:28 PM) *
he could hav fixed the watch with micahs ability buy that was a great scene.

I believe, with Micah's ability he could have only fixed the digital watch.
UnfortunateImp
QUOTE (Synch @ Oct 8 2008, 09:46 PM) *
IA had to kick in before the watch was fixed- or else he wouldn't have known how to make it work.



But the problem there was obvious enough to understand it without IA, don't you think?
fernajen
QUOTE (Cornhole @ Oct 8 2008, 04:09 PM) *
But the problem there was obvious enough to understand it without IA, don't you think?


Well it allowed him to know that there wasn't more damage than just the broken gear.
10thWOTW
Gabriel was talking the while pPeter was "examining" the watch. The point was not really to get the watch running again, but rather to understand the intregral behavior of each part of the whole, to see how all worked for one. It didn't matter if he used tk to float the gears and matter melting to unbend, and whatever to whatever...the point was to understand how it ALL worked. Once that occurred, "Sylar Hunger Power, Activate" laugh.gif
Even though p/fPeter had that ability he never was able to activate because he didn't know the intricacies - he does now! Unfortunately! unsure.gif

JayRo
What I want to know is where can I get me one of those Sylar brand watches.
Picklehead
Here is a solid example of pPeter using 2 powers at once.

Also we have no Idea of the extent of Micah's power or how limited he is. So speculating on what can be done with it is kind of foolish.
Dunc
QUOTE (Raekon @ Oct 8 2008, 08:14 AM) *
- lowerthebar: Micah says he can talk to machines because he is mostly using his ability on digital devices, however technopaths "normal" can put together any mechanical device no matter if its electronic or not. smile.gif

I get you, but a technopath can only tell the device to do what's already within it's physical limits, surely? Last time I checked a watch couldn't reshape it's own cogs.
Dunc
QUOTE (Never @ Oct 8 2008, 12:17 PM) *
I had believed the glass never was fixed? I don't think it showed the front being fixed, he just made it work again.

Although I just want to point out, if Peter needed sylar's ability to figure out he had to unbend a gear and put it back where it was..then dear god the world is doomed.

Edit: While I realize the watch was just a way of getting peter to understand how the ability worked, that was a pretty straight forward fix wasn't it? =\

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's hardly thought provoking was it. Cog bent, cog not turn. Hulk smash?

No it needed to be a complicated fix, something less obvious, so he had to think, hang on why isn't this working? How does a watch normally work? Then examine it, and the power unlocks, etc. I guess it's just for ease of showing what they meant though. You got the picture of what they meant in little to no time, right?

Also this confirms that Peter never does anything else that involves thinking. HULK SMASH!
joel182
QUOTE (Dunc @ Oct 8 2008, 11:00 PM) *
Yeah, I know what you mean. It's hardly thought provoking was it. Cog bent, cog not turn. Hulk smash?


I always assumed that the writers had a more complicated problem that Peter would have to fix that just a bent cog, but in terms of the expense on special effects and time to film the scene, I guess it just wasn't deemed worth it.
Dunc
QUOTE (joel182 @ Oct 8 2008, 11:14 PM) *
I always assumed that the writers had a more complicated problem that Peter would have to fix that just a bent cog, but in terms of the expense on special effects and time to film the scene, I guess it just wasn't deemed worth it.

That's what I meant by this:

QUOTE (Me, fool!)
I guess it's just for ease of showing what they meant though. You got the picture of what they meant in little to no time, right?
joel182
QUOTE (Dunc @ Oct 8 2008, 11:21 PM) *
That's what I meant by this:


Yeah, just figured I'd toss my own spin on it, need to up my post count and all that! biggrin.gif
Dunc
QUOTE (joel182 @ Oct 8 2008, 11:30 PM) *
Yeah, just figured I'd toss my own spin on it, need to up my post count and all that! biggrin.gif

lol.
Beez
QUOTE (Raekon @ Oct 8 2008, 03:14 AM) *
Well and thats another failure that stands in front of his door because sylars ability unfortunately on works more on technical manner than in overall when it comes of "figuring out how things work".

Really...Proof???

QUOTE
Would it be as peter thought, then both would had evaluated the situation in a better way and have a better outcome instead of getting the boy killed and additionaly everyone else in this part of the city.


Come on' this was clearly done strictly for action purposes, it was to further the story along. Had Peter done what you are requesting it would not have led to Peter slicing Nathan. Story progression quite simply.
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