In NYC pPeter rteleports to Gabriel's house in Costa Verde, CA, expecting to fight the villain Sylar.

Meanwhile, in NYC, Daphne learns from Molly where pPeter currently is. Daphnesteps out of her apartment, and speaks with Knox and Claire.

In Costa verde, pPeter takes Gabriel's power.
And Claire, Knox and Daphne are IN the house.

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a mention of a teleportation device whould have explained this, but there no mention of this, or any means, for the srrival of the trioin seconds/minutes.

Well, maybe Daphne carried them on her back? It sounds kind of silly, but it's the only thing I can think of...

In a future where abilities are available to anyone, you can consider that many people have the ability to teleport...and teleport people with them.

Although I agree with you about this, it can't be called a plothole, more likely another in a long line of incosistencies. This show haven't been known for good continuation and of keeping timelines in order, it has been plagued by it since the begining. The reason I say is not a plothole is because it doesn't affect the plot: they wanted peter, they went for peter, the fight ensued. The how they got there do not affect the basic premise that they want peter and went to get peter. Now, it is a huge continuation flop and again, for a show plague with timeline inconsistencies, is not a big stretch of the imagination that this would have happened. Look at this example: Sylar gets his powers in NYC, go to CA, take Claire's power, had a fight with company agents (that knew he was in CA mere hours after he arriaved) then back to NYC, Level 5 and all that in less than 2 days, because Nathan was shot the same day Sylar attacked Claire and Sylar was in NYC when Nathan was shot (at least what has been implyied in the show)... That example is not a plothole either, 'cause the plot was for Sylar to get Claire's power and that he did. It is a timeline and continuation gap, something not new in Heroes.

But, still an enjoyable show and I didn't think of it until you mentioned it... good call

Indeed, Monkey! But I like MrMan's idea better!

Moreover, her power could have evolved in a way that those she touches can also super-speed! Not impossible: She wouldn't be the first one whom power's extend to what she touches.

Don't mix up unknown facts with plotholes! We don't know exactly how it happened, but we know it did, that's the important part!

This show is one of those shows where the writers don't want us to think about stuff like that. It's annoying to me bacause I like to think about stuff like that. In many of the Behind the Eclipse's they acknowledge they simply make a lot of mistakes and continuity errors.

It was mentioned in either the Beaman Beeman or Behind the Eclipse, esentially they discussed it in the writers room and nixed the explaination which I agree with and there was not time stamp indicating that it wasn't hte next day or seven hours later that they arrived at the Bennet's. I don't understand why people want to see everyone's commute from one location to another and if we don't get a waste of time shot with three people sitting in a car/plane/bus/clown car it's somehow a plot hole (don't get me started again today with the general lack of knowledge as to what this term even means).

Basically the story moved from NYC to CA, use your imagination as to how they got there and lets conserve the minimal screen time we get every week and exclude pointless details that can be easily deciphered through common sense.

Sorry to the OP, my comments are not directed at him, I'm just a little fed up with the constant need for a certain segment of viewers of this progam to be spoon fed every single minute detail or else the writer's are deemed to be lazy, not paying attention, blah blah. I appreciate that they don't feel compelled to treat us like we're watching a reality program and constantly need to be reminded of the rules, like we didn't know them anyway.

>>> end rant

Although I agree with you in the principle of not thinking to much about little things like how they got there, I do respectfully disagree in the fact that there was a time stamp. How do I get there? Sylar's son was eating waffles when Peter arrieved, Molly found Peter in Costa Mesa, when we return to Sylar's home, the kid was still eating waffles... is impossible to say it wasnt the same day or even the same hour. But for the rest, I agree, its a minor thing and not a Plothole... as I explained before. But it cant be denied that it is a continuation and timeline blunder (albeit a non consecuencial one).

I can see how you could draw inference from the waffles and I won't argue the merits of that. However for how overly detailed the zealous nit-pickers could be in rehashing minutiae (sp?) to death as a reason to discredit the writers/directors performance I'd have to respond with the same voracity in defense of this particular "mistake". There was no difinitive timecard/correlating factor to determining the timing of their arrival.

Disclaimer - I have serious nit-picks about this show and several larger character based issues - so don't flame me as being "slappy about the show" as someone unfairly tried to discredit my statements yesterday by inferring. I'm not some kind of Kring loving fanboy, I'm far from that.

And more importantly, Peter gets shot at, goes to see Mohinder and then teleports to see Sylar. These things take minutes. Why would a time traveller/teleporter stop to spend the night in a Holiday Inn before going to see Sylar and his kid in time for breakfast? California is also 3 hours earlier than New York so Peter could have seen Mohinder at 10 am and gone straight to California at 7 am.

Don't forget that Gabriel painted a picture. My assumption was that it took some time (about an hour?) to paint a picture. With that, there might be enough time for them to get there if Peter and Gabriel had a longer chat than what we saw. Also Claire is the president's daughter, and probably has one of the fastest planes available, especially for use when tracking down the two most powerful heroes.

Good point, forgot about the Kill Squad's Presidential support.

I dont need to "flame" or resort to name calling, there is no need...is a show . Regarding the timing, in my opinion, there was correlating factors. Let us think, for a moment, that this happened for real and not in an NBC show. If the kid is eating waffles (i know, this sound so silly, but bear with me), wearing the same clothes and and in the same room with Peter and Sylar, then it was the same day and hour, right? Now, for the sake of reality, Daphne ask for Molly's help and she say Peter is in Costa Mesa, we have to assume correctly that she is finding him exactly at the time he was in Sylar's home (becuase he teleported there, he didnt travel by plane to the destination, right?), Daphne tells the others. So, when they arrieved at Costa Mesa and we see that the same scenario is there (the kid eating waffles with the same clothes he had before and so does Peter and Sylar) we can come to a fairly reasonable conclusion that Claire and her posse got there within at the most the hour after Peter got there. And I agree with you, is not an important thing story wise... but you have to admit is sure hell is a lot of fun to think about it LOL... also, you have to admit, it is continuity error...no big deal, this series has always had that problem and hadn't affect the value of it. Cheers!

Because in a show involving teleportation and super speed, no viewer would have shrugged it aside as an obvious use of one or more such abilities...

I didn't think you would be doing the flaming, just discussing in general as it seems if you have a relatively positive outlook on a portion of the show there seems to be a lot of fan boy accusation thrown about to discredit. Regarding your response I guess if we are left only to infer about how they arrived I'd probably go with someone teleporting them there. If the President has a Kill Squad you'd have to imagine they would be hard pressed to be able to repond to any "sightings" of their targets without having a way to get the "team" there in a hurry.

I supposed that could be possible. Regardless, is really not a big deal to know how they get there, I found worse inconsistencies than that, not only in this show, but in many others. Some writers tend to over explain (Alias for example) others tend to simplify too much (Alias for example LOL), its up to which writer writes what... but how they got there is not really anything important for the "plot" of the story... they needed to get to peter, they did, they fought, they captured him... so how they travelled is kinda irrelevant.

I know but like you said it's fun to think of these things.

Obviously Daphne carried Claire piggy-back style. The special effects team thought it looked too comical to include in the show. Even by a Presidential airplane it would take more than six hours to fly from NY ro California. If it was 11 am in NY, it would be 8 am in CA. It would be at least 3 pm CA time by flight. Little Noah would be taking a nap after his lunch by then.

Even bigger plot hole or mistake to go with this. Peter TKs Daphne into a wall and she falls unconscious on the floor. As Sylar is exploding, Claire is taking aim and then the camera shows the front door is closed as he blows up. I don't see how Daphne got out at all.

Apologies if this has been posted.

Yeah, I think so too... is the same thing with Sylar getting to Claire AND back in what seemed like at the most 2 days... but I am resigned that as long as it doesnt ruined the story, this lapses of continuity can be forgiven... again, as long as it doesnt have a relevant bearing on the story.

No plothole, Not a Continuity Error....The viewer should be able to use the information already presented in the episode to draw conclusion as to how this could have occurred!

1. In The Future - stated that many, many individuals now have Abilities (by paying, hook or crook, whatever); why not think that the COMPANY or PINEHEARST has at least one idividual with the ability to get their Kill Squad to a location, once known, immeadiately!?!?

2. Availibility of resources - Companies or Presidential. Either way it shouldn't have taken too long to get there. Beside Bros. Pete and Gabrial chit chat over Waffles, discussion saving the world, going into a trance and painting the future, could take a bit of time,no?

I hope that most viewers wouldn't need a panel ala '66 Batman series that says:
[Top left corner] MEANWHILE.... shows airplane in sky with semi-visiable Evil Claire in window.
[Second Panel] Plane on tarmac, 3 individuals getting into {superfast} vehicle}
[Third Panel] Indivuals sneak into house......Let ACTION RESUME.

And where was this phantom teleporter during the fight? Because it stands to reason that after they subdue Peter, they will need to get him back to New York (and it was New York, Daphne and Matt live in Mohinder's apt.)

It works both ways, by using information given in the episode, a nitpicker (Damn, I guess I turned into one, but fortunally is for this thread, just been devils advocate ) can say that "where is the teleporter, why do I have to assume there is one if I haven't seen it? and what happened to him if Costa Mesa exploded? or was he on call, see ya later, coming back for you guys in 30 minutes?" The point is, its really not important how they got there, but to hide the fact that the producers ignored continuity cant be use either as a defense for what was probably what happened... they just ignored the timeline... and yes, some viewers do need some input... not all of them come to forums and read the GNs and follow everything... but in this case I agree with you, it was not necesary to explain, the story ran how it was supposed to ran... but its still bad continuity

The writers act like we need to ignore those continuity issues for good storytelling but all they needed to do was have Mohinder say that Sylare and HRG relocated to a home in Brooklyn, NY and here's the address. It is 4 years later.

Anything can be ret-conned, if you put your mind to it. And since it's a future we're likely to never see again in the show, you can be pretty liberal with it here...

Looks like you can pick and choose the super power you'd like to have in the future - for the right price. And we know one of those powers is superspeed, right? Therefore, I'd say that Knox and Claire had been given superspeed.

And to answer the next question of "Then why didn't they ALL run away when Sylar went Boom?". Only Daphne has been using superspeed all her life (or a good portion of it), so she doesn't have to consciously think to use it - it's more instinctive. Claire you can make a case for it not mattering if she ran away - she probably just regenerated. Same with Peter. However, Knox's primary instinct is to use fear to enhance his strength, so he waited a fraction too long to consider running.

Half the fun of a show like "Heroes" is making up your own explanations, and seeing (eventually, hopefully) how accurate you were.

You guys are also forgetting that Peter was able to find out that Sylar was in Costa Verde from Mohinder but you would have to assume once he got to Costa Verde it would take him some time to figure out exactly where Sylar is. Just because they showed the scene of Molly finding Peter after the first scene of Peter walking in to see Sylar does not mean it happened in that order.

No Plothole, in the Graphic Novels, Daphne took someone with her and she moved at superspeed so its not out of the realm of possiblities that she held on to knox and Claire and ran across country

Oooh Good Point! I forgot about that you are right.

And to add to that we have seen that phasing, time travel and teleportation can be experience by someone else if the person using that power is touching them. So it is possible that super speed can do the same.

I agree with illdwill, that's a very good point. I also forgot about that.

Of course, how they got there is only one of many gaping holes that we need to fill in. How'd Claire survive (she's not immune to Ted's power like Sylar and Peter are... sure she can heal, but she would have been vaporized completely at that range)? How'd she wake up before Peter? How did she move him out of the radiation zone so that he could be transported across the country? How did she keep him asleep during all that time? Oh, and HOW COME THEY DIDN'T BRING THE HAITIAN WITH THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. As the beginning of the episode showed, all you need to take out Peter is the Haitian and a Gun. The Haitian was working with them to take out Peter, but what, his shift was up so he went off duty or something?



Barf. Why are huge gaps in the story, such as the travel issue, compelling? Why are illogical actions by characters compelling? I like the show, and I try to think as little as possible as watching it, but the writers care so little about making sense within their own story that they are starting to annoy me.

I agree. Cut off your head your dead but vaporize your head you can come back.

Lead lined refrigerator?

Yeah, we've never seen Claire survive radiation before.



Definitely not seen that before, ever.

He didn't explode in that scene. Notice the building still standing. It's a little differnt when the explosion levels 50 square miles. Wouldn't you agree? If you watch the scene last week you'll see she is in the epicenter of the blast and the doors are closed at the point of explosion. Nobody is saying she can't survive radiation burns or poisoning. The whole town was turned to dust, especially her block and the house she was in. We figure if her head is vaporized it should be the same as having it cut off.
What would be believable is her flying through the air Wiley Cayote style and landing twenty miles away and healding.

Of course there are differences, I just don't think it takes too much of a stretch of imagination to figure that, for the sake of entertainment at least, she could have lived.

Anyway, if you are so desperate for an explanation, open up the episode, at about 26mins20seconds in (on my copy at least) the explosion takes place. Just after the explosion, a little black blob passes very very quickly across the screen, just say that that blob is Peter being his usual hero self, and he used his flying power to save the others.

I guess you didnt see the graphic novel that came out this week. Claire blew herself and someone else up and she regenerated. Its not a plothole. Heroes is more than just a show, we have other avenues to understand our characters and things of that sort. Check them out.

I'm not desperate for anything. You said saracastically "Yeah, we've never seen Claire survive radiation before. Definitely not seen that before, ever." Nobody had even used the word "radiation" when talking about Claire surviving. You seemed to be mocking us by comparing her being a little burned to being at the center of a nuclear blast that killed 200,000 people. The writers of this show constantly do stuff like this. We are all supposed to figure it our for ourselves. It obviously annoys some of us. This is a discussion board you know. If Peter had time to grab somebody and fly out of there he could have frozen time or used Daphne's super speed and taken Sylar to the desert and let him blow up there. After all, Daphne was unconsious on the floor and had time to wake up and outrace the blast.


Graphic novel or not. I would just like to know the difference between having your bones and brain turning to dust and cutting your head off. Linderman got a fist in his head and supposedly he's dead. If your brain is in pieces and your blood is no longer in your body how do you come back from that.

Some people just watch the show. I don't like having a TV show that requires additional reading homework for explanations.

This.

Joel182, think about that one. Some writers have said that decapitation actually kills the regenerators. People in the show, such as Claire and Mama Petrelli, seem to think one shot to the head will do it. But Claire survives a nuclear blast at ground zero? Where houses, cars, plants and people were destroyed for miles? Completely destroyed. That'd be like arguing that Claire can survive being inside the freaking SUN. That's a lot different than getting some radiation burns in a house where the paint peeled off some. In light of that this comment of yours is completely ridiculous:



It is actually a HUGE stretch. One which any thinking fan would be wondering about. Your answer about black blobs and assumption that Peter saves them is a joke (and raises even more questions than it answers). The writers simply don't care about these kinds of inconsistencies. And maybe they don't need to if enough of the show's fans doesn't care if the Heroes Universe even makes sense.

Ok, I did check it out, because I thought it would be relevant. Unfortunately, it was a complete waste of time. Claire doesn't get vaporized there! She's burned some, she loses an arm and her guts are coming out of her torso some. That's it. Regenerating from that is consistent with the rest of the show. That however is *nothing* like being at ground zero of a blast that killed 200,000 people. Not even close. One grenade versus what essentially was a nuke? Show me the comic where Claire is in the middle of a pile of a million grenades. Show me Claire 'regenerating' from that explosion. Would the comic show her reforming like the T-1000 from Terminator 2? Because that's how she'd be after that explosion - liquid goo, if there would even be any of her left at all.

Hmm, as far as I know, Clay, cars and houses have a regenerative capacity of 0, and the regenerative capacity of plants and normal humans, when compared to Claire's one, is close to 0, too. Thought this scene was more dangerous that the one with Ted's "half-explosion", she could still survive! Note that her power evolves. Right now, in the present, she doesn't even feel pain, and she got her power for least than the 4 years that passed before this particular scene. Undoubtly she could regenerate at a rate similar to the cell's destruction due to the explosion.

Like one said, it doesn't take much imagination to figure it out! And if you lack imagination, I've heard there is a Graphic Novel that shows everything first hand!

And for the "And maybe they don't need to if enough of the show's fans doesn't care if the Heroes Universe even makes sense.", this sentence just made me laught! You know what else doesn't make sence? Nathan can fly! Humans doesn't fly, and at least he'd need wings, and muscular strenght to activate them! Another thing: Hiro can bend the space-time continuum, travelling from point A to point B in 0 seconds! Doesn't make sense! And what about Knox getting physically strong because some guys around him are frightened? Or Micah who can control machine's activity with simple had contact? Or D.L. whom atoms appear to be so small they can pass throught other objects: How can that be physically possible?

My point is, of course we don't care that it doesn't make sense, it is not supposed to! They change bio/chem/physical rules for entertainment! And one of these rule changes just happen to be that a sexy girl who used to wear cheerleading clothes but will wear leather in the future can regenerate at high speed, a speed that, in the future, will equilibrate the cell destruction of a nuclear bomb. Quite simple!

The thing is, some people don't like change, they want thing to stay in a position they can understand! If they don't have enought imagination to understand it, they call for plotholes.

Undoubtedly? LOL. Read on...



It shows nothing of the sort. It shows her regenerating from normal injuries like she has previously done on the show. You know, where it actually takes her a bit of time to regenerate from minor injuries such as having her abdomen cut open. So if that kind of injury takes time to heal, and remember the comic is set in the future, then your argument fails. There is no way she could regenerate her whole body in milliseconds to keep it from being vaporized. Because again, as the comic shows, in the future, it still takes her time to heal from minor injuries.



MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY. Heroes doesn't make sense even within its own rules. Obviously we have to accept that people can fly, teleport and regenerate. But Claire surviving that blast is inconsistent with EVERYTHING seen on the show before AND it is inconsistent with the Graphic Novel to boot!

I hear you Clay. The skull would be powder, the brains would be a bunch of random bits, her blood would be all over town and boiled and evaporated to boot. But cut her head off and she's dead. I jokingly last year said that somebody could stick her head back on and it should reattach itself and everyone said "The writers clearly say that if the head is cut off they're dead" and a bunch of stuff about nerve endings and the brain stem and how impossible that would be.

Last year I said the same thing when Kensei was blown up in the tent at close range and the arguement then was that it wasn't a big enough explosion. I say BS on that too. But this is an atomic bomb like Hiroshima.

If a brain is turned to dust it is definitely separated from the body. In my opinion. A hand grenade can blow a person's arms and legs off. I think at the very least an atomic bomb would detach a head.

Yes it is possible that unconsious Daphne got up and grabbed Claire and got out of there.

This plothole is as serious as the credit-crunch! Lives will be ruined; debt-collectors will be made rich!

One more thing evagolden,

Please don't be so condescending by saying that I 'lack imagination.' It is rude and insulting.

I know what happens when even just a few pounds of explosives goes off right next to a person, that person is ripped apart. The comic portraying the future shows that Claire can still be injured, she can lose limbs, she can be cut. Being right next to a nuke means that Claire would have been cut and ripped into little bitty molecule and atom pieces. I could 'imagine' a fictional character surviving that, BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE that Claire can survive that given everything the show has said in the past.

There is 'imagination' and there is completely disregarding everything the show has ever shown you previously.

Well sure, within the logic of the Heroes Universe, things could have happened that would have allowed Claire to survive (super speed, time stop, teleport, etc; ). But regenerating is not one of them. And my point, THE point, is that we have no idea what the heck happened there. It was not shown. It was as if the writers were like "eh, who cares what happened there, a bomb going off is cool! If we go to commercial and then show Peter strapped down to the table no one will wonder what happened in between! Yeah! Producers, please give us our giant Hollywood writer paychecks! We earned them!"



Oh, you are right, since serious stuff is happening in real life, no one anywhere in the world should spend time seriously discussing fiction.

Considering that tens of millions of people die of cancer, aids, heart disease and malaria each year, I guess we should shut this entire forum down.

Super Speed an be extended to others, as seen here. I know it looks like only Phasing is being extended, but you wouldn't get him just phasing his hand in and out at average speed and getting away with it/not being seen on CCTV. g

In regards to Claire: is it not plausible her ability has evolved?

I don't have anything knew to add. I'm just trying to get to 1,000 posts to see if anything happens. I was thinking though, that since Claire said last week that her power was lame and wanted to defend herself, that possibly she would jump on this power potion. That is, if already powered people can take it.

''I know what happens when even just a few pounds of explosives goes off right next to a person, that person is ripped apart.''

Yeah, a normal person! Claire is far from normal, as you know it!

First things first, let's do some math, will we? In present time, something that would normally take a week to heal is healed in 10 seconds for her, right? Which means that her healing capacity is at least 7*24*60*60/10 = 60480 times better than that of a normal human being. And this is, of course, a minimal, considering she can survive with no problem falling from 20m, getting hit by a car, having a branch in the head, or possibly getting hit by a train (even thought we can't tell about this last one, but she probably would have survived that and traveled with the train up to its destination). Moreover, we know that people with fast regeneration can survive a major non-nuclear explosion from Season 2, with Adam. And finally, and this is the important part, when the power evolve, the rate of dying cells and the rate of birth cells is in equilibrium! Following chemistry class, when the equilibrium point is changed (this time, by the nuke), the system tends to a new equilibrium. Also, note that, opposing to the branch or the piece of glass, in this explosion there were no macroscopic piece of anything that could get stuck in the skin, preventing the healing. For the rest, like I said, considering her healing capacity is thousands of time higher than normal, that she had time to evolve even more and that she lives in an environment that can be extremely hard on one's survival, it's easy to see how she would have evolved to a point where she could survive even a nuclear bomb.

As for the condescending part, it is called freedom! You are free to be an hateful, unimaginative, complaining individual, but I am also free to hate you for it!

Adam, who had 400 years to evolve his power still got cut and didn't heal instantly. All I am saying is that if she were standing that close to an atomic blast there wouldn't be anything left to regenerate. If you are saying that all her parts find there way back together like the liquid terminator that's fine. If you are saying a surviving giblet of her brain that lands 100 miles away can grow her body back together I'm with that two. (but she would probably replicate herself). That could be the evolution of her power. You slice her in half and both halfs grow new bodies.

But our argument is that if she can be blown to bits then why would cutting her head off kill her? The bits are not attached to her neck anymore and there is no more neck. I'm not getting what you are saying. Are you saying that she is now invulnerable, like Superman and her skin can be penetrated? I'll buy that too. But 400 year old Adam can still get his head chopped off.

Superman has rules, kryptonite kills him and he can't see through led. These characters need some rules.

Sometimes it kills him. Sometimes it weakens him. Sometimes it turns him gay (seriously- it's canon.)
Sometimes he seems to pretty much ignore it.

We also saw Adam survive ground zero in a massive explosion. Thus, it's believable that Claire would. (Especially as the GN indicates she survived being right on a grenade that blew.)

I didn't buy Adam surviving either but let is slide because he had armor which could have conceivably kept his brain intact. Peter got a piece of glass in his head and was dead until it was removed. As long as the brain is intact everything is fine. This is an atomic bomb and standing within a few feet. If a stick or a piece of glass can penetrate their brain I would think and atomic blast would do alot worse. Even her skeleton would be vaporized. We know she can be blown up but in every instance we've seen her head still on her shoulders and a skull still around her brain. Good link by the way, I was afraid to click on it.