... that fPeter was NOT referring to all the people walking around with abilities in the future - but to some of our present day Heroes.


Let's take a look on the dialogue:

pPeter: "I wanna see Nathan! Claire! Suresh!"
fPeter: "They are not the people you think they are."
pPeter: "Why not?"
fPeter: "Not all of us were born with abilities, OK? Some of us were made. A line was drawn, sides were chosen."


Let's as well remember fClaire's words in the very first episode: "I'm different, remember? Special."

What if she wasn't meaning "different from normal humans" but "different from other evolved humans"?

My guess is that Claire, among others, was NOT born with abilities but got theirs by the formula. Dr. Zimmerman strongly hinted that Niki, Barbara and Tracy were given their abilities from the company. So it's not unlikely there are more.

Claire has always disliked her abilities and now that she can't feel pain anymore she is suffering from them. Finding out that all this is not even "natural" but the result of some genetic manipulation - well that would explain very well how she might become this cold-hearted person in the future.


What do you think? Which heroes might be "artificial"?



I hope I have not overseen another thread dealing with this topic.

I caught on that too.

Actually, it's a twist I've been expecting since season one. Or rather, I assumed it was like that in season one. I had had the impression that the eclipse had something to do with it, but realised later that some people had had their powers before that. Who actually manifested around the eclipse? Maybe that's a clue, considering that there's a two-part episode later this season titled The Eclipse (marked just to be sure, I don't really think it's a spoiler).

Let's see, who manifested at the time of the eclipse?

Hiro
Matt
Ted (?)

Who manifested around "Six months ago":
Peter
Nathan
Claire
Sylar

Does anybody notice that those are four Petrellis?

Isaac - probably not as early as that, but certainly before the eclipse, as he said he'd painted the exploding bus three weeks ago.

In my opinion, it looks as if Nathan were given the ability while claire got it through the genes having it at birth already.

They might even had paired Meredith with Nathan only because she was a natural ability holder while Nathan was a "created" holder to make sure that their kids are coming out with abilities (like in D.L.s and Nikkis case).

In this case we would have the following:

Natural holders: Meredith, D.L.
Created holders: Nathan, Nikki (Tracy & Barbara as well)
Outcome: Claire, Micha as holders of a mixed pair.

That would explain why Nathans boys have no powers while Claire has as well.

I had made a list of created and natural as also outcomes but I dropped it again cause I thought it would be only speculation in the most cases anyway and no matter how you put it the most people will turn out to be outcomes of a natural and a created holder they might had attempted to pair instead of natural or created.

I also think that Arthur was the first of the created ones while Angela was naturally born with a ability.
Due to that Arthur probably had these illusions of grandeur Angela spoke off that lead him to do whatever he will be doing now.
I guess we will find out in the next episode and episodes to come!

After that line from fPeter I'd definitely buy into the idea that more than just the tripplets were "made." However, I don't think that claire's one of them for reasons stated above. I'd believe that nathan is, and I'd also believe that parkman is. (And obviously mohinder is )

Then again, what if everything's reversed, and everyone we thought had the abilities naturally were "made" and vice-versa? Like perhaps the eclipse triggered a manifestation in those who had abilities naturally? Which would make sense why those who manifested before the eclipse, who on this idea were made, are all of the same, company-related lineage.

I like what you are thinking but, wasn’t the eclipse what gave Adam his power?

The eclipse happened right when Hiro went back, and adam didnt discover his powers until he was shot with arrows like a few days later. it was close, and could be argued though.

I thought the graphic novels said that adam already realized that he had stopped aging at 30 and that he was already REALLY old by the time of season 2's events?

I dont think so, cause remember how he got all eloquent and stuff as he was emoishly cutting his arms? He was all in disbelief and stuff, which indicates it was a new thing to him.

i think these are some good ideas about the naturals vs. the mades.

but in terms of the founders, i think it makes more sense that they are all natural. considering the way angela worded it last season, they all "found" each other. they hadn't even created the company until after they all were together.

i think it makes more sense to assume that the mades didn't start popping up until the second generation (if claire and micah are 3rd gens).

Adam/Kensei getting his powers from the eclipse is well possible. I don't think he's been hurt between Hiro's arrival and the arrows killing him, so he wouldn't have had a chance to find out.

I agree with that. Founders are all natural.
And making special abilitites a drugstore available thing was definetely SO NOT in their plans, despite the lab created "special ones".
I guess the "made ones" were a byproduct of the company's founders when trying to study and understand (and enhance?) their abilities to the most, and everything that is happening now is a side effect of their studies/greediness/arrogance.
I suppose the company's 12 original founders had a secret agenda of trying to "take over the world" (yeah kinda pinky and the brain, i know... but not in a "mwahahaha" way) by knowing and controlling the "special people" epidemics (kinda like what the CDC does): knowing who they are, inviting the "right" special ones to join them/getting rid of the ones who could get in the path of their plans and screw it all. But they couldn't figure what exact ability one would develop, and they certainly didn't count on that much people being able to predict the future and to time travel! That was the uncertainty factor that sort of screwed with the company.

Just a note:
We know that Angela, Maury, Linderman, Bob have/had powers.
We don’t know if Arthur, Charles, Susan, Harry, Paula, Carlos, Kaito, Victoria had powers.

Ah you're right - I just re-read the novel and realized that all of the events took place after season 2's japan deal.

that is very true, but for the ones that are confirmed to be powered, i think it would make more sense to assume they are naturals.

I hope you a kidding... this has gone round and round too many times already.

And yet there is no answer.

It can certainly be assumed that they had abilities- but we don't know.

Arthur, Charles, and Kaito each had powers. Not sure about the others

Do we know this? Because it's never been confirmed that I can remember...

Charles-astral projection, remember he flew with peter before he died. He also saw peter eventhough he was invisible during "how to stop an exploding man". Though charles was dead he still communicated with peter.

Arthur-Not exactly sure what his power was but him having a power was mentioned in 2 instances. Once when angela was visiting peter in the hospital telling that his father had delusions of granduer of having abilities. Linderman spoke to nathan about his father being a man of great power who tried to save the world but ended up committing suicide according to angela and linderman. I'm sure we'll find out monday



Kaito-Has the ability to see all variables of a situation and the outcome.

All of which can be explained as Peter using variations of abilities he had at those times. I'm not saying it isn't Charles' power (in fact, I believe it is). I'm simply saying that it's not confirmed at the moment.


According to deleted footage on the DVDs.
Again, that doesn't qualify as confirmation.

But, Synch, it does make sense. We were told that we witnessed his power atop the Deveaux Building just before his death. He mentions something to the effect of not expecting Adam to be his assailant. He had been surprised! Do you think that this was a clue to his power perhaps?

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It was probably a variable he didn't counted in the possibilities he went through due to adams imprisonment. Surprise!

I still think that Arthur might be the first created one since he didn't show any abilities in the GNs as well and was VERY surprised when Daniel used his.

It would make sense as being the first as also would add to the plot and why he is against the natural holders (Company).

Just an idea though.

In season 1 peter could only use powers in the presence of someone except for his use of precog of nathan's accident and nyc both of which were in the future. Then when he thought of them after training with claude. In "exploding man" no one was near peter when he collapsed and it wasn't precog. When he came to he was in the past, invisible interacting charles who was physically dead. Unless they do another flashback of the founder's that's about it for confirmation.

I think what peter did was indeed projecting himself in the past that charles were able to see since peter obviously used charles power (Astral/Ethereal Projection type of ability).

We see peter using charles power in the second season again thinking that he teleported back in the future to see him and caitlin getting captured while Adam confirms him that he never left the room.
Since hes projection was still able to get the poster with him, it couldn't had been Angelas ability.

So he either used charles ability for this only or he somehow combined Angelas & Charles power at the same time.

I was theorizing that was angela's power of prophetic dreams. Peter and angela have both mentally been to a possible future without physically leaving. Peter does it in seaon 1 when he has visions of being the exploding man after nathan bails him out of jail in odessa and in season 2 when he meets up with adam. Angela did the same thing when she envisioned heroes were being slain by the villains and she woke up in the backseat of her car this season.

That lead me to believe that though charles was physically dead that his power would allow him to communicate with the living. Just a thought

The reason why I rather thing its charles power is because they showed us that it was a scene that had taken place in the past. The confirmation of this was peter seeing himself taking care of charles, communicating with his mother and simone as well.

After charles noticed that peter was there and talked to him, he asks peters past self to take him back to his room because he is tired.

In season 2 again when peter projected in the future he saw not the future but a past event that he already had experienced in the future before and additionaly were able to bring something back with him from this "future" scene which was actually the past for him since he already had been through it before and caitlin were still captured in that future.

LOL ouch. that one made my head hurt.

He could easily have a passive ability that he just never noticed for a while or something like that. Especially if his ability is increased luck or whatnot like some have theorized it is.

But even if he were one of the first made specials, he was also a company founder, so it seems odd that he would be against an organization he helped to create.

I don't know, there seemed to be a lot of double and triple crossing going on with the founders.

I guess that's a fair point.

What the hell does that even mean?

He's basically saying that Adam never realized he had an ability before.

Adam did not know he was immortal at the time. If he had, why would he have hired that other guy to pretend to be him instead of just waltzing up and killing the other guys himself.