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The only thing I didn't like was that Hiro killed Ando , but I know there has to be something more to it that we didn't get to see.

I defiantly don't like where the Mohinder story is going, giving him abilities as just gone from semi entertaining, to just plain ridiculous

Worst episode yet. Disconnected snippets, little plot movement, very predictable "Ah" moment. And so much overacting and (worse) incosistency.

Peter getting taken down so easily. HRG being a total ######. Claire super emo. Hiro being totally inconsistent in how he uses his power (why doesn't he just port Daphne into a coffin?). Adam getting taken down so easily.

And WTF is up with Sylar's eyebrows.. they looked painted on.

Daphne is immune to his time stop if you haven't noticed yet.

My heart was breaking during this episode because Heroes has officially jumped the shark for me. I used to be the biggest Heroes fan but I think it's circling the drain and it's only a matter of time now before the plug is pulled. Why???? How could they do this to their fans???

Sylar is the only thing still good about the show. I hate what they've done to Peter, Claire, Mohinder and Hiro.

Maybe they should cancel the main show and just give Sylar a spin-off series, if they don't end up dumbing that down and killing it, too.

Yeah, but not to his teleporting. Its not logical that he has so much control over it now (teleporting Adam without touching him - sort of like Future Peter) but can't teleport Daphne or Knox ?

I really think Heroes is trying to pack too much into the storyline this season. Season one was so awesome because it built up slowly towards a climax that centered around a handful of very developed, compelling characters.

Starting with Season 2, and now even more so in Season 3, there are just too many disconnected storylines going on. We get a 2 min snippet of these characters doing something, then a 3 min snippet of those characters doing something, and so on. There is no character development, and some characters do some things completely outside of everything we know about their personality. It's difficult to connect with any of the characters so far this season, for me at least.

It's funny you say that because as soon as the episode started, i was thinking that the show has really started to jump the shark, i dont think they're all the way there yet, but defiantly headed down a slippery slope

I didn't interpret those scenes in the graveyard near the start of the episode as Hiro teleporting Adam in and out of the coffin. I felt the way the scene was edited implied that Hiro was freezing time, putting Adam back into the coffin, and unfreezing time, but that in this instance, we were cutting from before the time freeze to after the time freeze without seeing what was happening during them. The fact remains that Hiro needs to be able to touch a person and teleport with them in order to teleport them. Daphne's fast enough to avoid being teleported away herself, and fast enough to rescue Knox if Hiro tried to teleport away with him instead.

I disliked the step-backs in character development. Adam was great, and Sylar was too, but Ando being "killed" and other things just made it the first episode of Heroes I've genuinely disliked. Last episode, these sudden changes in character felt like they had a purpose. Even Peter, with his new redundant power, made that episode seem worth it.

But this episode, the twists have no build up, and even the Linderman thing, which makes no sense to me, didn't feel satisfying. Obviously they've had this betrayl on Hiro's part in mind for awhile (we see the alternate future in the first episode of this season, right?), but you think that would be rectified with Ando helping Hiro out in the last episode.

I don't know. I just didn't like this one.

I really loved the beginning of this season, and there were great moments in this episode, but the shark jumping doesn't seem very far off.

How doesn't it make sense? Arthur Petrelli is using Maury has his tool to get everyone to do what he wants. Maury just chose to use Linderman's persona as the catalyst for everything.

Adam is not a superhuman, he go knocked out like any of us would when punched. And as for the Sybrows, they are bigger this season, but they still rock.

Hiro killing Ando. That was just terrible. He didn't even hesitate!

And Mohinder...I hate his storyline. I mean I never really liked him in the first place, but it's even more cringeworthy now.

It still doesn't seem "right" with me. I mean, for Nathan, sure. Using Linderman seems like the perfect idea because they had a connection.

But with Daphne and Knox? Seems out of place.

I found this episode to be very lame. Nothing ties together, its random, its meaningless, its blahblah, no one dies, ando is alive we will see in 3 episodes.

But what is the point of this show again? Is there any friggin motive? Will we know what the motive will be in episode 24?
This is so lame.

And yes i had to sign up just to say this. Its that bad.

Have a nice day dear fanatics!

I agree that it doesn't make sense to be using Linderman. If Daphne and Knox have no history with Maury why not use his own persona. Unless of course they do have a history we just don't know about yet.

This episode was not one of my favourites. It had too much of characters I don't particularly find engaging (Mohinder, Maya and Hiro) and not enough Sylar, Peter and Adam. I'm taking it as part of the middle act which in any play is usually the weakest.

If you don't like it then don't watch it, jeez. And why does someone have to die in order for the episode to be good?

Same here. He just killed his best friend without any hesitation. It's like as if he just swallowed a stupid pill. Hopefully there will be a good explanation for this one (eg. controlled by Maury, and if so they should have showed him in the bar scene).

personally - loved the epi - only 2 negs in my book

1) every other person thinking of or being called a monster
2) a flippin' commercial every 5-10 minutes. I understand bills have to be paid but come on really? Just when I get into something BOOM Sprint ad or something else.

okay just had to vent about those too things


as for the person of called Claire emo - she's a teenage girl - it happens, it's natural and pretty normal

The commercials were annoying but it's a part of life, lol.

yeah, but there's commercials and then there are COMMERCIALS COMMERCIALS show COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL

rather frustrating - I'm not oppose to product placement if that helps get rid of some of the breaking up of the storytelling.

I was unimpressed with this week's offering. We'd been doing so well! The editing was horrendous, and none of the scenes were fleshed out enough to finish a thought before they flipped to a taste of the next one. It was all very tough to follow, and had a thin feel to it, whereas most Heroes episodes are nice and meaty.

We begin this episode on a strange note: Nathan narrates the opening monologue instead of Mohinder. Which--given the individual strength of each character at the moment--was a smart move by the writers. It threw me, though--it sounded very strange... but I loved the content. Nice thoughts on God, angels, monsters, heroes, villains... All interrupted by Vision!Linderman. However, I was extremely annoyed by the heavy-handed use of the moster theme throughout the hour. They slathered it on so thick! Yeah, yeah, we got it, there are villains and then there are flat out monsters.

Where was Mohinder sitting in the opening few flashes? I liked his positioning--the way he was sitting was very animalistic, as if he were stalking his prey, and I loved how he scratched idly at his right shoulder. The reveal of his back later was cool, too--what in the world will he eventually end up looking like? Will we have Sendhil in head-to-toe make-up, or will there be a stunt man cast as his body and he'll be relegated to Voice-over!Mohinder? What kind of animal cocoons their food to the wall like that? Spider? Worm? And no surprise here: Maya is still bothering me greatly. I'm glad she ended up mounted on Mohinder's wall with the others.

This was a very Peter-lite episode. We barely got to see him. And what we got wasn't too impressive, either. I understand that he can't handle Sylar's power, but it's like he's gone completely rabid. The special effects when he snapped Sylar's neck and he stood back up were awesome, but I hated Milo's delivery of his shouted "Tell me your secrets!" On the positive side, Angela's scream was fantastic. I like a good scream. Bad ones can really ruin a moment.

And I was glad to see that Sylar's back out in the field! We also got some Gabriel theme music as HRG tells him to suit up--I love that piece of score.

Steven was a very cool character. I like that they're coming up with powers that could still threaten Claire, despite her ability to heal. What I want to know, though, is where things go when they enter that vortex? The future, the past, an alternate dimension, Bloomington IN, where? Watching Claire get her first taste of crime fighting was fun, and I liked that she went after her first mark thinking the whole situation was black and white, only to find out Steven's story was all kinds of gray. I love that she ended up sitting down in his empty house getting a lecture from him. I would be very impressed if Steven showed up later this season after someone stumbles on the actual location of the other end of that vortex.

Adam's pounding and yelling was hysterical. Really wonderful moment of comedy in this otherwise obnoxious episode. David Anders was fabulous. When given good material, this guy outshines most other cast members (it's really too bad he got stuck with all that slow-moving Kensei nonsense last season... if you want some awesome David, check out Alias). Best line of the whole set was when he called Hiro a "Japanese Nazi," got popped back in his coffin, and immediately responded with a muffled, resigned, "I have a plan!"

We finally have an answer on why only some people can see Linderman, how he managed to survive his own death in 1x23, and who is the mastermind bringing the formula together. Maury Parkman! Who let him out? Didn't they lock him up after Matt trapped him in The 70's Kitchen of Eternity? I understand why Daphne would be working for him, but I don't get why he wants a world full of special people. If everyone is special, he loses some of his edge. A world full of powers doesn't advance him at all, does it? Unless he's looking to make a bunch of money off of the sale of the formula... Which doesn't make any sense, either, because he could just telepathically instruct a bank teller to hand over her whole drawer whenever he needed cash. Also, how in the world did a vision of Linderman heal Nathan after he was shot?

Tracy wants to turn herself in now? Why are they repeating all of season one? I loved it, yes, but I don't want to see it again. I did love Nathan's heartfelt, eloquent, touching explanation of his visions of God and the divine gift of an ability, followed by Tracy's deadpan response that the abilities were forced on them by "a doctor in Reseda, California." YoungPC's surprised response: "God lives in Reseda, California?"

Bad way for Claire to find out that her dad is working with Sylar! Poor thing. That planned reunion was going so well for Steven, and then HRG breaks in, guns blazing... Didn't work for your daughter, dude, maybe you should try talking to the man instead of treating him like an animal. I thought Claire was going to get such a talking to... but no go. I guess parenting really has been thrown out the window with this girl. I did love that Sylar saved her from the vortex, though. I'm really looking forward to his rehab storyline. If they do it well it'll be fantastic to watch. Then again, if they do it badly it'll be like when they de-fanged Spike and he became a whiny shell of his former badass self.

Maya has an incredible offensive ability and she's hiding under a table? I sat there through this whole scene hoping Mohinder would come home and mount her on his wall along with his neighbor and the drug dealer, and I was quite glad when it happened. Mohinder's turn to the dark side is actually starting to interest me now, especially since he's already on Maury's radar as an interesting talent to have on his team, along with Knox. This is another one of those plotlines that will be really cool... if done right. It also has the opportunity to go terribly, horribly wrong.

Okay, major issue for me. Sylar has super hearing--did he hear what HRG was asking Steven to do at the carosel? It didn't seem like it while it was happening, but he obviously knew by the time Claire got dropped off later. If he could hear them, they should've done the sound effect we've seen before when he's over-hearing a conversation from far away. And boy howdy, Steven vortexing himself was so predictable!

Ando: "We are the worst heroes ever." Well, the worst heroes episode ever, at least. I liked Masi's delivery of "We are badasses now!" But I didn't like how fast and sloppy they offered Hiro work and then had him shish-kabob Ando. There better be a cool explanation for that next week.

Puppet Man! So creepy! I like him a lot, actually, I think we have major potential here, especially given the trailer for next week. I'm really looking forward to that, I bet it'll be phenomenal. Puppet Man kind of reminded me of Jabba the Hut, though. Like next episode we'll see Meredith in a Leia outfit, serving him grapes.

Bits and Pieces:

• Funny line: "Rehabilitation doesn't happen overnight. I am trying."
• Claire goes after a bad guy in stilettos?
• Best Actor award for the episode goes to Zachary for his downcast eyes after HRG admonished him for talking to Claire.
• This is a show about ceilings--have you ever noticed how many times the camera angles up at the actors from below and we get a wide expanse of ceiling behind them? It's a cool shot, making the heroes seem bigger, larger than life, so it really works. We had Mohinder stuck to the ceiling of his apartment for an entire episode in the first season, as well as a cache of diamonds in another one. We have another really effective ceiling shot in this one with Sylar, Claire, and HRG as he says, "I wouldn't send anyone to level 5 who didn't deserve to be there."
• Ando and Hiro attempting to look tough was comedy gold, as was Ando playing with an unconscious Hiro's eyes on the bar floor: "Blink, Hiro! Freeze time!"
• Nathan has a synthetic ability! I'm assuming Sylar's and Peter's are congenital. Which brings up an interesting question: how old is Sylar? Where does he fall in the sibship? Nathan seems oldest, then Sylar, then Peter. We know Peter is about 27 by this time, since he was 26 in the first season.
• Mr. Petrelli can what--freeze people? Not temperature freeze, rather, just stop them from moving.
• I like the intersecting helix as the logo for Maury's company. What was the name of it? Is it really Maury's?
• Love that Sylar gets relegated to the back seat while HRG drives and Claire gets shotgun.
• How does Peter having Sylar's power help anything?

So all in all, that was awful. I'm so disappointed in you, Heroes. That's it. We're done. You're moving out, and I get to keep the TV. I'm not even watching next week!

...Okay, complete lie. :-) But you better shape up!

That's all for now,
GG

You're totally my hero, GoldenGait! You should be hired as a writer for Heroes. Bet it wouldn't be boring, lame or confusing then!

I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the fact that Nathan has no real powers. He's a fake now. He's not special anymore. It feels like his character was demoted. Why do the writers hate Nathan so much?

What have they done? Is no character sacred? Hiro’s attack on Ando has blurred the line between heroes and villains. A show based of heroes, of people who wish to do good in their world. Who has the high ground when all drown in the mud? Hiro was one of the few left and now is he gone too...?

The direction they've taken makes for a great story , and I can't wait to see how it all pans out over the course of season three.

I think Daphne already knew Linderman as she worked for him before stealing paintings (I don't remember if it was Linderman or not but she stole the Mona Lisa among other things for profit). Hope they explain this though, for those who don't read the online webcomics.

Not sure about Knox either, maybe they will explain in a later episode.

Did Knox actually saw Linderman? I don't remember that. Maybe he'll see him later, but for now, I don't remember that... 'guesses I missed a scene, maybe! lol

About why Linderman as a catalyst and not someone else, well that's a good one! As you said, for Nathan it's obvious, but for Daphne it isn't. But who would they take anyway? Were there any special someone for Daphne in the past (and, more importantly, that Maury or Arthur knew about)? If not, well, let's just keep the same guy I use for Nathan!

Mentally, Maury was trapped in The 70's Kitchen of Eternity, but physically his body was in Level 5, which we know all Level 5 villians were released with Elle's power outtage.

I was watching the Mohinder scenes and going, "What the frell is going on? Why does he have people cocooned in his wall? Is he eating them or something? Saving them for later? WUT?"

There were too many little snippets. It was too jumpy. Hiro killing Ando -- well, I guess he's going to jump back in the past and bring him back to life or something. If not, wow, that was really un-Hiro of him.

And the rest of the episode pretty much went the same way for me, though I did think the guy with the portal ability was pretty cool.

Ough, I'm a HUGE Heroes fan, but this episode left a crazy horrible taste in my mouth. Where's the poetry? The fluid transition of scenes and the cohesive, multi-dimensional characters? Sure "Angels and Monsters" held a few redeeming moments (e.g. Angela struggling with Nathan and Peter, Adam's initial exchange with Hiro and Ando, and Maya's stranded position within Mohinder's dwindling humanity), but overall, this came across as a disjointed mess. Oh and I wish Mr. Canfield would have been put to greater use as Charlie was in S1. I love me some tragic characters!

After watching this one, I'm left wondering whether or not I should come back next week. Let's slow it back down and place more emphasis on the relationships and mystery. These incessant reveals and wastefully executed shockers are really getting on my nerves.

I like that the lines are being blurred. It's a little cliche for everything to be black and white. Let's see where this goes.

First, after rewatching the Episode 3.04 before 3.05 tonight, wow, was 3.04 super-terrible!! Even worse then I had thought.

Ok, this week:

- Liked Claire's character as I stated in the positive thread, got back to what makes this show good, but the bad part is, it completely contradicted where they have been moving her character all season. Did not explain at all how she becomes FClaire, infact contradicts it. Just disjointed, they need to make a clear decision on where she is going.

-Nathan doing the intro rather then Mohinder, just not how things are done. I was like wtf!

-Mohinder has just gotten too out-there, too weird, too uninteresting. Ok, I liked the fact he axed Maya, but other then that, the character is just not fittable.

-Sylar not having the super-hearing and not smelling out what HRG was up too, was disjointed.

-Claire sticking up for not killing Sylar.


It's better then last week by far!

Good point, I hadn't considered that... But wasn't the power outage AFTER Nathan was healed in the hospital? Did we actually even SEE "Linderman" there then? I think I need to re-watch 3x01 and 3x02. But I thought the Level 5 villains were released near the end, after Nathan's visions of God and such.

And just to be nitpicky about it, how did he manage to get himself out of the kitchen? Meditation? Once Matt moved a certain physical distance away? When he stopped concentrating?

GG

For those complaining about why Sylar didn't hear what HRG was doing with his super hearing, I thought that Sylar lost all of the abilities he had stolen after last season except for the TK and other ability to know how things work. Maybe Im wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere?

Definitely weak. Stiff, lofty, unimaginative - you name it. Even if the episode is called "Angels and Monsters," relying on the same line three or four times over the course of an episode can't be excused as a theme; it's just a weakness in the dialogue.

To the few people who said that Heroes has jumped the shark or gotten pretty close: I hear you. It's not quite there for me - "I Am Become Death" was actually a bigger JTS candidate than this one in my eyes - but there were a lot of extra lame moments in this episode.

Among them:
- Hiro stabbing Ando
- Peter trying to kill his mom
- Hiro stabbing Ando
- Episode felt, at times, extremely disjointed
- Hiro stabbing Ando
- Nathan drank that milk straight from the bottle. USE A GLASS NEXT TIME BUDDY.
- Hiro stabbing Ando
- Hiro stabbing Ando
- Hiro stabbing Ando

I couldn't have said it better myself if I tried.

Man, this episode felt like it was edited by some hyperactive kid with ADD. I actually scratched my head after it was over and thought to myself "WTF just happened here?" The first half seemed fine, the last half is where it seemed to go haywire.

Most of us thought the second season moved way too slowly. It seems like they are trying to rectify that with this season, but they've gone to the opposite end of the spectrum. It seems like they're trying to go way too fast and trying to do too many things at one time. As a result it feels like one big jumbled mess. Just when something starts to get interesting, they cut to another subplot.

Ease us into these plots over time and develop the characters. You don't have to go painfully slow to do it, but you also don't have to jam every damned subplot in every single episode resulting in two minute segments rapidly shifting to another one over and over again. The last half of this episode was an absolute train wreck. I'm holding out hope that this season is going to get better and redeem itself, but at this point it's looking like it's headed on a downward spiral.

I look forward to see Tim Kring respond to the criticism. "Heroes is back, better than ever" my ******. He apologized after season two which was epic compared to this season. I don't think this show can be saved. I want to know exactly how they are thinking, and why they seem to believe they are doing a great show right now. If I only had intuitive aptitude and could figure it out.

This whole episode made me explode with a litany of WTFs

NO, no NO NO NO. The rushed storyline? The ridiculous death of the drug dealer at Mohinder's hands? The whole Mohinder turning into a giant bug thing being hilarious and awful AND GOD DID YOU SEE THE RED LIGHTING IN MOHINDER'S LAB WAS SO ATROCIOUS, THE MIND-BOGGLING TINFOIL ADORNING THE WALLS, THE COCOONS IN WHICH THE PEOPLE WERE IMMERSED AND WHERE THE HEADS SHOWED LIKE SOMEONE IN A MUMMY SLEEPING BAG, IT WAS LIKE A LOW-BUDGET HORROR MOVIE FROM THE 80S

I now hate both Mohinder and Maya, what happened to their characters they are so ludicrous... Maya could have just killed Mohinder or weakened him enough with her dripping black eyes from hell to get away...

Ando being stabbed by Hiro? Whether or not he will resurrect later isn't important but the actual action or the possibility of the action, the thing is that there was a point where Ando believed Hiro was going to kill him, and if my friend wanted to kill me, I'm not too sure we would be exactly best chums anymore...

And the sudden arrival and rushed disappearance of Stephen Canfield? I love Andre fricking Royo way too much for him to be introduced and offed in the timespan of one episode.

(By the way, for any of you who watched the Wire I was all LOLWUT after Bubbles and Marlo Stanfield appeared, YEY now all we need is Omar too -- btw, have any of you noticed how Jamie Hector's role as Knox is rather similar to that of his on the Wire?)

The creepy puppet master kink IMMA RAPE YOU NAO too? That was bad

Anyways, this entire episode made me so incredibly confused, I could rant about its faults for ages but I'm tired now

Hardly unexpected in a volume entitled "Villains" and it's been stated way before the season began that we would no longer be clear about who would be the hero and who would be the villain. So I really don't understand why anyone would be surprised about this. Granted, no one expected it to take form in some of the seemingly illogical and sometimes downright stupid ways it has so far. But yet again, I'm still willing to wait and see where they go with this. Call it denial, call it desperately clinging to hope that it will change for the better.

I'm disappointed that Linderman turned out to be nothing more than a figment of people's imagination. He's one of the few characters with genuine charisma and presence. When he speaks, you just have to listen. Let's hope this isn't the last we see of him.

Mohinder. Eh. Mohinder. I honestly have no clue where the hell they're going with him and out of everyone, his plot is probably the one I'm most indifferent to.

I felt like I almost had to dodge the various "Monster! Villain!" anvils that were flying around in the episode. I hope this trend of clumsily incorporating the episode title into the episode itself stops. Or if it must continue, at least do it with a little more subtlety and finesse.

So I also posted in the positive thread about what I liked about this episode. I have to say that Angels and Monsters was the first episode of this season that I was happy with. This DEFINITELY has to do with the fact that Peter was pretty much non-existent.

Sadly, I think this episode showed that there are many throwaway characters, 2 being MAYA AND MOHINDER!! They no longer do ANYTHING for the show. Mohinder goes evil. It's almost like, who cares? A lot of people started to hate him during season 2 with his dumb decisions. And even though it's highly improbable, I wish they'd just kill off Peter. I hate that they choose to have his character time travel so often. I KNOW that what he does in the future won't affect the show much at all, so I don't care to see what happens.

Mohinder is getting really creepy and annoying.
Don't even get me started on the Hiro/Ando/Adam storyline. Everyone except Ando was so out of character it was silly. Adam didn't seem right to me at all, I guess it was just an act so that he could escape from Hiro so i guess it wasn't too bad. Hiro taking an assignment and killing Ando by listening to Daphne and Knox, one being his nemesis and the other a stranger, all in a matter of about 45 seconds is ridiculous. So stupid. Better be a good explanation other than, "SORRY ANDO LOL, GOTA KILL YOU TO SAVE THE WORLD, NOT MY BEST FRIEND OR ANYTHING, WHEEEE".

Already posted what I liked of this episode on the Positive Thread, now is the turn for what I didn't like...and it was a lot of things:

1) HIRO kills Ando: I don't mind he did, it gives Hiro a lot of different possibilities. What I cant wrap my brain around is that it was way too fast. The Hiro we know would at least be a little more resistant to it... Knox told him, he turned around, say his sorry to Ando... swoosh, right to the heart. That goes against everything Hiro stands for. He had a hard time killing Sylar, he didn't want to kill Adam (even though Adam's plan was 10 times worse than Sylars) but with Ando he took 2 seconds to reach a decision?... I don't know... they are going to explain in their weird kind of way, still I dont buy it.

2) Can the writers spare us from Claire at least 1 episode... geee... it was cool to see the vortex guy and what happened and Claire did look hot in her "specials" hunter outfit... but this whinny is tiresome. Also, she is soo **** off at Sylar, she want to see him suffer... but then had a problem with HRG's plan? Don't know where they are going with this.

3) Peter (another character that made me fell in love with heroes because his inherently compassion and goodness) is now becoming a poor man's version of Sylar (and come on, the hunger thing is just a cop out to give the illusion that all Sylar's kills were involuntary... my ******.. so long for the poor victims)

4) The obsession of the writers to underused the best new character they have...Adam... still, his scenes were gold.

5) Maury is a bad*** but he seems to be the cowardly lion of heroes. Season 2 he was helping Adam out of fear (what he feared, don't know, they apparently deleted season 2 from their storyline) and now he fears Arthur Petrelli ( a man who can destroy minds is always in fear). Either Arthur is Apocalypse reincarnated or Maury is the most coward man in history.

6) wasn't Adam the founder of the twelves? and now he is going to be a subordinate of one of those twelves? Especially when Adam hasn't been shown as been a follower of anyone... he has a god complex (or was he cured so fast of it? I guess). We will have to see where that is going.

7) Mohinder, another one of my favs in season 1, is now officially a black hole...he is sucking the light (and logic) of every episode he is in. Next episode seems to go somewhere with him, one can hope.

It wasn't a horrible episode, but it still had somethings that didnt suit well. Still, bring on the next one

It never ceases to amaze me that people get upset because they don't explain cliffhanger endings to episodes. Take the whole Hiro-Ando thing for instance, we just saw, or think we saw (remember he can freeze time), Hiro stab his best friend Ando for no apparent reason other than to impress Daphne and Knox. That storyline ended there until next week. Everyone is freaking out. Well of course they aren't going to explain what happened, it wouldn't be much of a cliffhanger then. The point is to get you to tune into the next episode to find out what happened.

The Mohinder storyline was pretty much necessary. There wasn't much left for him to do except find a way to take away Maya's ability. This storyline he has of the dangers of trying to acquire powers unnaturally, fits in perfectly with the main storyline of this volume - that the villains are trying to use the formula to create an evil army of superpowered people basically. This was a good way to tie him into the main storyline.

Every week people threaten that they are going to stop watching the show, that the show has gotten terrible, that this week's episode is the worst episode ever, etc., etc. These same people then continue to watch every episode, usually multiple times, read all the Heroes 360 stuff and yet still gripe that they hate the show each week. It's predictable. Unfortunately, most message boards nowadays have turned pretty much into nothing but gripefests.

Just because something didn't happen the way you wanted it to or the way you would have done it or the way it "could" have happened, does not make it a plot hole. It's almost like some people think they are going to win some sort of prize for finding a plot hole. 99.9% of the time, there is an explanation and the supposed "plot hole" is the result of narrow-minded, unimaginative thinking.

If there was ever a show that people "overthink" about, it's this one. People can take the most simple things and completely overanalyze them and attach also sorts of misguided symbolism and importance to very trivial things. I still crack up everytime I see the theories and questions to producers/writers about Uluru. Tim Kring has said that Uluru was just a character in the 9th wonders comic book and that's it. Yet, there's still a group of people that are convinced that half of the cast will become Uluru someday soon in a TV episode. Laughable.

As for why a certain character acts a certain way, does a certain thing, etc., well, they are all separate characters. People complain there's no character development. People complain that the characters are changing. Can't have it both ways. They have to change to have growth/regression or any real character development throughout the series. I love when people always post some criticism that a character didn't act a certain way, typically the way that the critic would have acted in the situation. First of all, they are all different characters. If they all acted the same way, with the same intelligence, reasoning, reactions, feelings, emotions, etc., then they'd all be the same character. More imporantly, what makes any of you think you are so perfect that everybody should act like you think they should? People think differently, act differently and typically don't have days to sit around and analyze their every move (unlike their critics). Why does Peter act naive? Because he IS naive for crying out loud. That's his character. He's supposed to be a naive, trusting person that believes everyone is good deep down. Everyone's always so busy trying to make the character's into what they want them to be. The characters are who they are, if you don't like it, then don't watch the show.

This week's episode may have seemed a little disjointed but that's often a problem with a serial type show. It's intended to be one volume. There are no true stand-alone episodes. This week's episode was very important to tie some storylines together and move the plot along from what had been set up in the first few episodes. There were a lot of characters and storylines to tie together in 40 minutes of viewing time. There was a lot going on but it all had purpose and really set up some interesting storylines. Last season everyone complained that there wasn't enough action, the season-pacing was too slow, we didn't find out the future catastrophe until too far into the season and the characters didn't have enough interactions with each other. So they've tried to remedy all of those things. You can't have it both ways. Just remember, they have to shoot 3 episodes at a time and they have to be 10 or more episodes ahead in shooting them before they show up on TV. Under those circumstances, it would be pretty hard to fully put yourself in the shoes of a viewer who is watching 1 episode per week. I don't know how anyone could have a fully accurate feel for what the viewer would experience as far as the pacing of the show.

I am a HUGE heroes fan, but this episode just didn't do it for me. It didn't. I didn't feel any sort of excitement whatsoever, BUT I also know that every single episode can't be phenomenal. I loved the way the season started, however, if next episode doesn't truly bounce back from this one, I am going to be highly disappointed.

-Maya still serves no purpose for me, and Mohinder's scense are just bothering me.
-I thought Stephen Canfield had excellent potential, but they did away with him quickly.
-Peter being so bad ****** and hungry, it's troublesome that sylar took him out so quickly.
-I don't believe Hiro killed Ando, I am HOPING that he froze time and they played a trick on knox and daphne. Because Hiro was the one person who we could count on to really be the good, light-hearted character. If they do away with that, his character development is shot, he can never regain that.

Exactly. I think the problem a lot of people are having is that they would rather the cliffhanger question be "What's going to happen next?" as opposed to "What just happened?" Some people just seem to be getting frustrated with this show's tendency to inject just as much mystery and uncertainty into present/depicted events as it does into future/upcoming events. People either don't want to have to wait a week or longer to receive the necessary context to understand what they just saw, OR they continually assume they know what's going on when they don't have all the context (Linderman's back from the dead! I'm done with this show! Oh wait, he was just a Maury Parkman illusion. Niki's still alive! I'm done with this show! Oh wait, Tracy isn't Niki. Etc, etc...)

But that's just how this show is, so... take it or leave it people. And never assume you know what's really going on or what you really just saw until the show tells you that you do.

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I forgot if I was watching The Fly or Heroes there. Seriously, what happened to the Mohinder from S1 and even S2? Major jump in character development there.

Yeah, that really sucked. I would have liked to have seen more of him, definitely. But I'm glad that he offed himself rather than giving in to killing Sylar or HRG offing him.

Also, WTF was up with Sylar? Couldn't he have just used his super-hearing to figure out what HRG was up to and, I dunno, run away or something?

I like the puppetmaster dude. I wonder what his power is. Psychokinetic manipulation of people's muslces or the blood in people's bodies? He is really creepy, though.