In the dream. Why the hell would he kill Nathan and Peter? I don't think he would care about Tracy.

Why is he doing anything he is doing? We know nothing about him now.

Lol, good answer.

When he "Died" his children were about to testify against him...but still that isn't any reason to kill your sons. I dunno. Maybe he just wanted to scare Angela. Deep down, and contrary to the crap choices she has made, I think she really does love her boys a whole lot.

Maybe it was just showing/telling her that no one will be there to protect her. I mean who else would stand in the way of a killer other then your own flesh and blood?

Well Angela didn't seem to have any problem sacrificing Peter or Nathan to blow up NY so Arthur probably is the same.

Why killing his sons? Well... 'cause he's that bad? Obviously he'll be one of the bad guys this Volume, and maybe it's to that point! 'cause, you know, Nathan and Peter could try to be in their way. They surely will!

But why Tracy was in this dream? And why Hiro, Claire or Matt weren't? That's another good question...

I don't remember but was Sylar in it?

Angela was going to take Nathan far away from NYC when Peter was going to go nuclear. And she knew Peter would survive the explosion, thanks to getting Claire's ability. She had no intention of killing either of them.

No.

In her very first dream when just about everyone, save for the villains, was killed he was, but not in tonight's dream sequence.

So do you think Arthur knows Sylar is his? Or even knows about Sylar?

well tracy dead, the other dream ali larter had no pearls which is the mainstay for tracy so thats gotta confirm her other dream was barbara.

i think tracy was in it to seal the deal of who the other dream ali larter was.

One thing we dont know anything about arthur. Then, if he is in fact a bad person most likely peter, being the person that he is, the only person who would stand in his way. To me it actually looked like peter killed nathan and tracy. Since peter has gotten his powers he seems to be killing nathan a lot and his mom so why not lol

We don't know if Sylar is his. I think he probably is- but who knows other than Angela.

I think the biggest question we have to ask ourselves is "Was what Angela saw her dreaming power, or was it Maury playing tricks with herhead"

We know that Maury can put a thought in your head so him being the culprit behind the whole thing is completely possible. She went to go into her dream state but Maury interefered and ended up showing her all those things to frighten her and get her caught off guard. We know she has some knowledge of Maury's power, because she did stop Matt from reading her mind (even for a little bit). So Maury could've just been showing Angela exactly what Arthur wanted her to see. He could read Angela's mind and find out everything that has been happening to Nathan, Peter, and Tracy so it's not like those things wouldn't be fresh in her mind. Her biggest FEARs right now is Peter going crazy and cutting people's heads off, mainly the two people she just admitted to CREATING! I will bite my tongue and apologize if I'm wrong but I do not believe that was Angela's power at all, merely an illusion created by Maury.

I thought it was just a riff on the prophetic dream she had earlier in the season. In that dream she saw all of them dead at the hands of the Pinehurst employees. This was obviously supposed to lead her into the dreamworld and make her think it was a vision when it really wasn't, it was a trap for her.

maybe he was just creeping her out with the vision.

if maury parkman is on her side, he's got the capability to mess with people's heads right? so maybe daddy petrelli had maury mess around with her prophetic dream when she slipped into that trance, and made her see all that mess to scare her.

i don't know, though.

i think hiro, claire & matt were not in the dream was because these will be working for pinehearst so they will work for Arthur

I am leaning to Maury was messing with Angela's dream.

This was my thought exactly well said. We also know that molly and Matt were paralyzed while being trapped iun Maury nightmare world so this could be how Angela is paralyzed.

Notice how in the dream Arthur doesn't seem concerned at all about Nathan or Peter's deaths. Heck, it seemed like he killed Peter. He tells Angela: "He [Peter] was too powerful. And you can see the future. I can't have that." I think Arthur is going to have some major jelousy issues with Peter's ability.

I don't remember hearing that first part. I'll have to re-watch.

Well the Arthur Petrelli commercial says he's the father of three and shows Nathan, Peter, and Sylar so I'm pretty sure he is.

do you hear voices?

Arthur says:
Hello angela
angela: no, it can't be
arthur: you can see the future, i can't have that. that's too dangerous

Don't you think thats a little harsh? Sorry, I didn't clearly remember the scene.

ya know that is possible.
that this dream was dne by maury. obviously at some point he took over. maybe the dream itself was never hers to begin with.

yes you are correct. i'm sorry. i was just the moment

it's nothing Besides, I'm always misquoting the show (I don't rewatch until the hiatus) so thanks for the correction regardless.

In Angela's first dream they do not show Nathan, in this scene they do. Odds are it was Maury or Arthur himself causing the vision, especially with Arthur speaking and freezing her. If you put Angela's first dream together with the supposed future it looks as if Nathan may go over to Pinehearst and his father ...

In the future, Nathan gave a speech in front of Pinehearst.

In my opinion it was Angelas power that kicked in while she was looking on Arthurs file(due to the formula issues).
However, while she was at it, Maury obviously interfered her dream to get her paralyzed in order of Arthur that didn't wanted her to mess up his doings.

I think that the reason why her dream only showed peter, nathan and tracy was because through the happenings the events that would lead to the previous dream has changed and the new dream was here to show her where these changes would lead this time. Additionaly it seems that it would show her more than Arthur wanted her to "see" so he took measures to prevent that.

Due to this also his quote: "I can't have you doing this"(sorry if this isn't the exact wording).

I also think that the reason why these 3 was the only one affected in her dream was because they were the ones that would probably support her.

It was gorgeously played by christine to say the least and I totally enjoyed the scene.

It also said he was the father of three heroes. Now, I like Sylar, but I think it's stretching credulity to call him that. Anyway, forgive me if I'm a wee bit skeptical about the commercial's accuracy.

And in that great NY accent.

For one Angela was willing to sacrifice Peter AND Nathan. For one she told Claire Peter couldn't die and that it was inevitable, it couldn't be stopped. Once Peter was "dead" she was pretty upset. Not that she didn't make her own bed. Nathan wasn't going to die.

As for Arthur, he seems to want to give people abilities for power and what FuturePeter called "greed". There is no reason to beleive he'd kill his own sons to get what he wants, if they were standing in his way.

I think the whole point is... you think Angela is bad... meet her husband.



Yes, everything you need to know about Arthur is in her face - she's terrified.

I don’t know about that. I would like to know what his ability is and if he is just mean and ruthless or is he as manipulative as his wife.

U don't think she was terrified?

you know thinking about it. tracy was tere as hte new comer the outsider. and tracy is the one to scream right before angela comes in. almost says tracy came and saw and got caught.

Most definitely but I want to know more about Arthur.

Don't we all. And soon we will. It's just if someone terrifies Angela.

I agree with others that the whole scene was planted by Maury. She never left her desk. She is now trapped in her mind like Maury was last season, by Matt.

I also think Papa Patelli is gathering any who can stop him, tricking them to be on his side. (or outright killing them)

That Arthur is stubborn and gets everyone that would interfere and mess up his plans out of the way, its very well show in the preview for next monday in the scene between him and peter.

Angela = \"Angel\"
Arthur = \"Monster\"
Opposites first attracted to each other and afterwards when the relationship got deeper and both new more from each other, despited one another.

Is it Monday yet?

he's obviously up to no good so he probably doesn't value ther life

The promo people refer to all the characters on the show as "Heroes" since it's called Heroes. I know it's odd, but they do. Like "three Heroes will fall". It doesn't mean he's a good guy.



In fact Angela means - Angel messenger from god. but I also don't think it was all that clean cut.

And since we're seeing people like Mohinder being changed by power, even thought we know Arthur was a tough alpha dog from the graphic novel, whose to say when Angela met Arthur he wasn't more like Nathan, or different and the power changed him and their agenda's changed. She still wanted to fix the world and he just wanted to profit from it.

I'm sure Arthur will say Angela is being the selfish one, not wanting to share the power with the world.



Yet unlike Adam he didn't have her killed. But I think this may be worse, she can't do a thing and can only watch. Not to mention she is in the same state he is now now and I'm guessin she put him in that bed, why she thinks he's dead.

I noticed that too
However, I don't think the writers could have planned her character to turn out this way... naming her "Angela" for a reason. But who knows. Maybe it's meant to be ironic. LOL

ever think that it may not be tracy in the dream but barbara?

that was my take. i also think like peter in season one, angela's power exists outside of the "butterfly effect" that said, she sees concrete events, but their causes shift as people influence the story arch (ex hiro, future peter, arthur petrelli, etc). all we know is that the company IS going to be attacked. the circumstances of that attack appear to be shifting with time.

its definntiely tracy they have gone to great lengths to equate her to the pearl necklace. and tahts shown on the dead person. and it amkes sense for nathan and tracy to be there together,

i hope we get to see a fight between tracya dn barbara would remind me of the candice as jesisca as niki as jessica (whew that was a long one) vs niki fight.

i dont mean the dead one, i mean the one standing with knox, adam, and maurie during angela's vision in butterfly effect.