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coruscant
the evidence seems to suggest an advance form of empathy. Thoughts?
evagolden
Actually, I think it is a mix of both Peter and Sylar's power! Or more an ''in-between''! He doesn't copy the power, but doesn't kill either... Just stealing them!
Biowesker
Yeah it seems as though power imitation is the recurring thread in the Petrelli family. The question now is, did he steal Peter's ability to absorb powers, or just the ones he has absorbed?
jbs829
QUOTE (Biowesker @ Oct 20 2008, 10:04 PM) *
Yeah it seems as though power imitation is the recurring thread in the Petrelli family. The question now is, did he steal Peter's ability to absorb powers, or just the ones he has absorbed?


If he had stolen the ones he absorbed then peter would have just automatically absorbed them back
gamepete64
His ability is EVERYTHING!!
ilikemoney09
QUOTE (Biowesker @ Oct 20 2008, 10:04 PM) *
Yeah it seems as though power imitation is the recurring thread in the Petrelli family. The question now is, did he steal Peter's ability to absorb powers, or just the ones he has absorbed?


He stole them all, as he demonstrated Elle's ability after he stole the powers.
Icicles
QUOTE (evagolden @ Oct 20 2008, 09:02 PM) *
Actually, I think it is a mix of both Peter and Sylar's power! Or more an ''in-between''! He doesn't copy the power, but doesn't kill either... Just stealing them!


Definitely steals at no cost of life (unless you're Adam and lose your ability to heal after living for 400+ years, where as Peter copies with no effect, and Sylar steals at the giver's expense. Arthur's right in between!
prander
He seems to "steal" them by touch.
Keo1239
Peter could have automatically absorbed them back, and not re-call them because a new emotion is brought forth with them.

Also, isn't it redundant for a person who can steal abilities to absorb a power that allows ability absorption? Seems like having the same power twice...
revel911
QUOTE (jbs829 @ Oct 20 2008, 10:05 PM) *
If he had stolen the ones he absorbed then peter would have just automatically absorbed them back


Or at least that of the villains in the room.
themightytruk
Looks like Arthur Petrelli steals the powers away from anyone he touches. He touched Adam, causing Adam to lose regeneration and age to around 400 years old (disentegrated). And when he touched Peter, Peter became powerless, and Arthur gained all his powers. That is INSANE. Real scary dude. Not exactly sure how one would stop him, especially with the huge upgrade from Peter. Really looking forward to seeing this all play out.
tickitytak
so yeah it seems Arthur has the ability to steal others' abilities. Adam's death was just a result of his ability being stolen (being 400 years old, his body was in a constant state of regeneration and once regen was gone, he became his actual age).

so i'm assuming this means Arthur now has empathic mimicry, but i doubt that will stop him from stripping people of their powers. i wonder how Peter will regain his power? kinda blows 'cause i was enjoying pete with IA.
baottousai
umm he steals peoples powers... including peters ability to absorb or else it would keep going in a circle. and don't forget the Adam Monroe thing 0.0
coruscant
None of what he did really related to Sylar's power of knowing how everything works.

It's was like empathy but he actually took it away.
pjw2000
Yeah, it seems that his power is similar to Rogue's (from X-men). Power absorption through physical contact.

The question is, though, when he got Peter's power, did he just get the powers Peter absorbed or Peter's absorption ability as well? Either way, he's scary.
Agent42
He steals powers completely, by touch. He seems to be able to master them quickly as well...

He now has immortality and regeneration -- per Adam. So nothing can stop him?
ilikemoney09
QUOTE (Agent42 @ Oct 20 2008, 10:09 PM) *
He steals powers completely, by touch. He seems to be able to master them quickly as well...

He now has immortality and regeneration -- per Adam. So nothing can stop him?


Sylar can stop him. Slice him open, figure out the power, and drain Papa Petrelli of all of his abilities.
DoctorClaude
Arthur is definitely a power thief. I don't think there's any way to deny that now.

As for Peter, I think he lost everything. Including the mimicry. It would've been a bad call for Arthur to let him keep that in a room full of powerful people.
Satsuma
The Haitian with a gun can stop him. The Haitian with a gun can stop alot of things, actually.
tickitytak
his ability makes me want to look back on those GNs covering young Linderman and Arthur. remember, that woman was a power thief.. i wonder if there's any relation? perhaps Arthur has IA and the power thief was his first victim?!

maybe we'll see a GN on it tomorrow..
baottousai
ah yes the haitian. where is he? o.o
3ck
peter = copy/paste
author = cut/paste
sylar = cut/copy/paste

lol
RogerRoger
A couple of things, Arthur has to have other powers that he had obtained previously given the fear and dread that Maury has towards him, but then we saw that with is ability to freeze mom P. There had to have been a severe falling out between him and Linderman(I'm thinking that his death pronouncment was a cover to what happened to him). I also wonder if Arthurs stealing ability came with the hunger that Sylar had lived with, or if it hasn't what that new found sensation will do to him?
civilian
QUOTE (3ck @ Oct 20 2008, 10:18 PM) *
peter = copy/paste
author = cut/paste
sylar = cut/copy/paste

lol


Haha. Nice one. smile.gif


But really, I think Arthur is the perfect solution for people who don't want their powers. In fact, he should just send them all an invite, set up a line and touch them all.
Pyke
The ability to take away powers... AND give them back.
MaggieRyan
So... is this how Mohinder will lose his powers?

Will Mohinder's ability be the end of Arthur Petrelli, I wonder?

BlastOff
QUOTE (MaggieRyan @ Oct 20 2008, 09:04 PM) *
So... is this how Mohinder will lose his powers?

Will Mohinder's ability be the end of Arthur Petrelli, I wonder?


That would be a fun way for him to go out.
Kez
QUOTE (baottousai @ Oct 20 2008, 09:18 PM) *
ah yes the haitian. where is he? o.o


The most powerful hero by far is the Haitian, assuming of course, that someone doesn't wack him on the head. He doesn't have to touch anybody or even focus on anybody to be effective, that's a huge advantage. He didn't even know Daphne was in the area yet she couldn't use her super-speed. And luckily, his buddy is the guy with no powers, a big gun, and no fear.

The Haitian is being hidden away and for good reason by Angela because she knows how important he is to stopping what she is seeing in her visions. Now if Arthur took his ability, the show's over.
spiderfrommars
I don't think it's just to give them back, I think he can give anyone any of the powers that he collected.
Kez
QUOTE (Pyke @ Oct 20 2008, 10:02 PM) *
The ability to take away powers... AND give them back.


That's what I am guessing also. It would help explain why Maury is so afraid of him, because it could easily be that a long time ago he took Maury's power and Maury was miserable, so he gave it back and now Maury is grateful.

The question is though, why would he ever be giving Peter his ability back? Doesn't make sense, unless he is near death and feeling sorry for his son for some reason, or he just can't control the "hunger" aspect and thinks it is associated with Peter's innate ability.

LarLa
I've been wondering how Angela still has her power if Arthur was only able to take powers. If he is able to give them as well then my question would be answered.
Begemot Geroi
That's what I think as well, at least from what I've seen. He can take them away and give them back, or bestow powers upon people.
spiderfrommars
QUOTE (coruscant @ Oct 20 2008, 10:01 PM) *
the evidence seems to suggest an advance form of empathy. Thoughts?


I'd actually say a more primitive form of empathy. Arthur has to touch you to gain your power and he has to actually rip it out of you to use it himself.

Peter's empathy has evolved so that he just has to be in the general vicinity of someone to gain their power and he only copies it, he doesn't have to steal it.

And Arthur definitely took peter's empathy. First off, why wouldn't he make the acquisition of powers easier for him? That way he doesn't have to de-power his allies to use their powers himself.

That's even if he had the choice to pick and chose... Like mentioned above, I think there's a good chance his ability is like rogues. When he touches a person, he takes all their powers, no matter what.
nige
QUOTE (ilikemoney09 @ Oct 21 2008, 03:13 AM) *
Sylar can stop him. Slice him open, figure out the power, and drain Papa Petrelli of all of his abilities.




I figure that's what will ultimately happen - Sylar kills Arthur, takes his power and becomes the big bad for the season after all.


reyer


arthur cant gain the haitians power because he wouldnt have the power to absorb the ability in the haitian's vincinty
shaz
2 things...

First, it seems like Arthur's power derives from his right hand. Notice the emphasis placed on it thusfar. Even when he's in the bed, its practically pampered.

Second, if arthur now has Peter's ability, will it even be necessary to take anyone else's power away from them? Or is he just being a jerk?
prander
QUOTE (reyer @ Oct 20 2008, 10:45 PM) *
arthur cant gain the haitians power because he wouldnt have the power to absorb the ability in the haitian's vincinty

Well, in last weeks GN, we saw that Future Peter did absorb The Haitian's power. So there is a way, but we don't know what that is.

It could be that if The Haitian is knocked unconscious, Peter or Arthur could absorb his power.
spiderfrommars
QUOTE (shaz @ Oct 20 2008, 11:55 PM) *
2 things...

First, it seems like Arthur's power derives from his right hand. Notice the emphasis placed on it thusfar. Even when he's in the bed, its practically pampered.

Second, if arthur now has Peter's ability, will it even be necessary to take anyone else's power away from them? Or is he just being a jerk?


Oooo good point... In fact, it's not just the hand it focuses on. It's the ring. Perhaps it's a green lantern sort of deal? Maybe the ring steals all powers for the wearer to wield with full mastery? Something Arthur may have made when he was jealous of the powers of those around him in the days before the formula.
Chrispminis
He's got the huuungggeeeerrrr!!
reyer
If this keeps up, how will arthur die?

its getting to a point of being a lil too powerful

We need the vortex guy
spiderfrommars
He could get jettisoned into the sun.
reyer
what i'm guessing is that arthur will be demised by people who have innate enviromental powers...

remember sylar and elle?

perhaps people like tracy or elle can prevent the absorbtion since its all by touch..

obviously they have to be wary of them first..
spiderfrommars
I like to think that that's not the case considering peter still had elle's power.
reyer
thing is peter wasn't wary of him~
Blackone
QUOTE (Keo1239 @ Oct 20 2008, 07:07 PM) *
Also, isn't it redundant for a person who can steal abilities to absorb a power that allows ability absorption? Seems like having the same power twice...



well, it seems that daddy p has to touch someone for the his power to work. if he absorbs peter's then it wouldn't even have to do that...
Trayton
HOLY FREAKIN DUCKETS MAN! HES GOT HIROS POWER TOO!!!
Alessandra
QUOTE (themightytruk @ Oct 20 2008, 08:07 PM) *
That is INSANE. Real scary dude. Not exactly sure how one would stop him, especially with the huge upgrade from Peter.
Only One Rule In Fighting Petrelli Senior :: Don't EVER touch him!
reyer
QUOTE (Alessandra @ Oct 21 2008, 12:48 PM) *
Only One Rule In Fighting Petrelli Senior :: Don't EVER touch him!



not like you can actually kill him anyway
Trayton
If he didnt have Hiro's power, he could stop time and separate his head from his body.

Or Teleport him into the sun.

OMG I GOT IT! He finds the formula, gives it to Pete, granting him his Empathy back, who copy's Hiro's power and goes back in time to steal Vortex Man's power and throws Papa into a vortex to nowhere!
billypilgrim
I feel like the writer's have no idea what they are doing anymore. Arthur would need a power beyond what he has to be able to take Peter's empathy. What we have seen is that he can alter his own dna by copy/pastying an ability. Through this process he changes the copied dna to his own. This would effectively remove any power other then Peter's, as his ability is to alter his own dna at no harm to the copied and should be the perfect balance to his father's ability. By no means should Peter's ability be removed by a character like Arthur, nor should they have removed his abilty in such an insulting matter. When Peter walked in the room he was capable of absorbing his father's power. If his father knew his son was so powerful he would have taken his ability when he decided he was going to become a nurse, as any father would*. If I were to have any confidence in what the writers were doing then Arthur will only be able to remove the side effects of the power, such as Adam's immortality, or Peter's collection, or even Sylar's hunger (which I personally believe to be the key to the volume) rather then the ability itself. In my scenario, Peter would be able to absorb, Adam would be able to heal if he were not far beyond what his body could take, and Sylar would be able to save the world from a villain worse then his 3rd season incarnation.

*this post is dedicated to the male nurses of America, keep reaching for that rainbow.
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