footstool
Oct 20 2008, 07:20 PM
Ok I know this would totally be disgusting and I don't see it going down this way but they have opened the door for it.
Meredith has a history with Doyle. Doyle seems to be a rapist who forces himself on women. Meredith was shown to be a conniving liar in the first season. Meredith has been hiding from her life for ages. She didn't tell Nathan he had a daughter so they could have a tearful reunion. She told him for one reason only...to shake him down for money. She never planned for Claire and Nathan to meet...she thought Nathan would give her and Claire a chunk of change and the three of them would never see each other again. She thought her lie wasn't going to hurt anyone and it was better for Claire than telling her the truth...that she was conceived out of rape.
I don't believe it's true but let's face it...the pieces fit.
Hopper
Oct 20 2008, 07:22 PM
Not a bad idea, but I don't think Angela would be fooled as easily.
Leek
Oct 20 2008, 07:24 PM
*vomits*
*everywhere*
BlastOff
Oct 20 2008, 07:24 PM
Didn't Nathan know he had a daughter but thought that she had died in a fire with Meredith?
spiderfrommars
Oct 20 2008, 07:24 PM
Oh god, now that's a plot twist that would shock me just a bit... but it's not impossible either, and it'd make any claire/peter shippers from back before they were related happy.
evagolden
Oct 20 2008, 07:26 PM
Well, he would have thought she was his, but was wrong! So would be Meredith, maybe!
Anyway, I doubt it! Apparently, Doyle and Meredith met at a time when she had no boyfriend (thus, was not with Nathan). And like the topic creator said, I doubt it will go that way...
NUCLEARPUNCH
Oct 20 2008, 07:28 PM
what a great season it would be.. "sylar, you're a petrelli! claire, you are NOT a petrelli! .. oh, and you were conceived through rape."
LowerTheBar
Oct 20 2008, 07:30 PM

I just threw up a little in my mouth.
aulduron
Oct 20 2008, 07:32 PM
I'm sure they've been over their DNA enough times to know Nathan and Claire are related.
footstool
Oct 20 2008, 07:35 PM
QUOTE (BlastOff @ Oct 20 2008, 11:24 PM)

Didn't Nathan know he had a daughter but thought that she had died in a fire with Meredith?
Right I didn't address that in my post but I'm saying Meredith claimed Claire was Nathan's from the very beginning to get money from the Petrelli's. That was always her goal. She just didn't have a bargaining chip when she thought Claire was dead.
Look at Meredith's personality. She runs from responsibility. She lies to get what she wants. She's a user. I think her personality could easily be explained with the rape scenario. She had to be tough to survive.
conspiracytheory
Oct 20 2008, 07:39 PM
Doyle doesn't have the genes necessary to create a "Barbie" girl like Claire. =p
footstool
Oct 20 2008, 07:43 PM
QUOTE (aulduron @ Oct 20 2008, 11:32 PM)

I'm sure they've been over their DNA enough times to know Nathan and Claire are related.
When? Point me to the episode where we saw the DNA test done to confirm that Nathan was Claire's father? We took Meredith's word for it. We assumed that since Nathan and Meredith were special that it was a foregone conclusion their daughter would be too.
Now that line of reasoning has been called into question. Arthur and Angela both had abilities but Nathan did not.
Their is not one bit of proof to back up Meredith's claim that Claire is Nathan's daughter. And let's be honest...are Angela's actions more consistent with Claire being her granddaughter or less consistent? Personally I think Angela had her doubts all along but never tested Claire one way or another...and still hasn't.
Meredith could not be entrusted with a child with abilities and the risk was there. Whether Claire was really Angela's grandchild or not wasn't important...Sylar wasn't important either. Angela's dreams and Arthur's plans were always more important than family.
footstool
Oct 20 2008, 07:50 PM
QUOTE (conspiracytheory @ Oct 20 2008, 11:39 PM)

Doyle doesn't have the genes necessary to create a "Barbie" girl like Claire. =p
Neither do the Petrelli's.
Look at every single other member of the Petrelli family. Brown hair and brown eyes while Claire is the poster child for the Hitler youth with her blonde hair and blue eyes.
Doyle does have light hair which looks blondish brown.
I'm making a devil's argument but I think there is enough evidence for them to go this route. That creepy scene in the season premiere where Peter tells Claire he has always loved her put a doubt in my mind about her paternity but the doubt has always been there. Look at the chemistry they had when they first met in season one. Something is there.
I think it is a strong possibility that Claire's paternity will once again be called into question.
aulduron
Oct 20 2008, 07:59 PM
They test everyones DNA. Heck, they changed Nathans. They changed Nikki, Tracy and Barbaras. It's what they do. I just don't know if they've ever gotten to Claires.
footstool
Oct 20 2008, 08:03 PM
QUOTE (Hopper @ Oct 20 2008, 11:22 PM)

Not a bad idea, but I don't think Angela would be fooled as easily.
I think Angela being the shrewd woman that she is has ALWAYS doubted Claire's paternity. She knew what kind of reputation Meredith had.
Either way the company was coming for Claire. Meredith was an irresponsible single mother who had a potential mutant. Either way you slice it Angela did the best thing for her various agendas. Either she was protecting Nathan from a skank who just wanted to tie him down with a baby so she could bleed the family dry of its money or she was protecting a potential pawn that the company could use several years down the road. Claire being Nathan's daughter didn't matter to Angela. Nathan's future mattered more than some potential illegitimate grandkid.
Claire was going to be taken from Meredith and given to Noah regardless of her paternity. This is what the company does. They take children and put them with adoptive families to keep tabs on them.
BlastOff
Oct 20 2008, 08:05 PM
QUOTE (footstool @ Oct 20 2008, 09:43 PM)

When? Point me to the episode where we saw the DNA test done to confirm that Nathan was Claire's father? We took Meredith's word for it. We assumed that since Nathan and Meredith were special that it was a foregone conclusion their daughter would be too.
Now that line of reasoning has been called into question. Arthur and Angela both had abilities but Nathan did not.
Their is not one bit of proof to back up Meredith's claim that Claire is Nathan's daughter. And let's be honest...are Angela's actions more consistent with Claire being her granddaughter or less consistent? Personally I think Angela had her doubts all along but never tested Claire one way or another...and still hasn't.
Meredith could not be entrusted with a child with abilities and the risk was there. Whether Claire was really Angela's grandchild or not wasn't important...Sylar wasn't important either. Angela's dreams and Arthur's plans were always more important than family.
I really think someone in the Company would have checked Claire's DNA against Nathan's. The science folks would want to know if she was a child of an artificially created special. They would have wanted to see how the DNA of a natural(if Meredith is) and an artificial would come together to create a naturally born special. If Claire wasn't Nathan's then there would have been no reason for Angela to take such an interest in her nor would there be a reason to let Nathan believe he was her father.
prander
Oct 20 2008, 08:11 PM
Since they've already established that Nathan is Claire's biological father, what makes anyone think that "they have opened the door for it"?
Hakumi
Oct 20 2008, 08:12 PM
I always thought it would eventually be revealed that Adam was her real father, but that looks a lot less likely to happen now.
Drackoe
Oct 20 2008, 08:40 PM
QUOTE (footstool @ Oct 20 2008, 10:50 PM)

Neither do the Petrelli's.
Look at every single other member of the Petrelli family. Brown hair and brown eyes while Claire is the poster child for the Hitler youth with her blonde hair and blue eyes.
Doyle does have light hair which looks blondish brown.
I'm making a devil's argument but I think there is enough evidence for them to go this route. That creepy scene in the season premiere where Peter tells Claire he has always loved her put a doubt in my mind about her paternity but the doubt has always been there. Look at the chemistry they had when they first met in season one. Something is there.
I think it is a strong possibility that Claire's paternity will once again be called into question.
Look at Claire's mom. Plus, Claire very much looks Italian like the Petrelli. Heck the actress herself is Italian...
footstool
Oct 20 2008, 08:42 PM
QUOTE (BlastOff @ Oct 21 2008, 12:05 AM)

I really think someone in the Company would have checked Claire's DNA against Nathan's. The science folks would want to know if she was a child of an artificially created special. They would have wanted to see how the DNA of a natural(if Meredith is) and an artificial would come together to create a naturally born special. If Claire wasn't Nathan's then there would have been no reason for Angela to take such an interest in her nor would there be a reason to let Nathan believe he was her father.
To counter your points.
1. Whoever in the company that discovered the link (or lack thereof) between Nathan and Claire would be silenced by Angela and the other founders. No one goes up against Angela unless they're a founder...and she had most of them in her pocket (Linderman, Deveaux, Nakamura) while Arthur had Maury. The only Founder we have seen who might have defied Angela AND Arthur was Bob...and we saw what happened to him. Anyone who would have found out would have been killed or had their memory erased by the Haitian.
2. Angela has an interest in Claire for various reasons. Her powers being one of them (Peter needed that power to survive the explosion that Angela and Linderman were orchestrating in season one). The second is that Nathan now thinks she is his daughter. Angela has been playing Claire all along and she's playing Nathan. She has a reason for continuing the deception Meredith started. In season one Claire's power was going to save either Peter or Sylar. Now she must have another reason to keep the lie going...and her dreams give her that motivation. She knows something the audience doesn't.
IGotSuperPowers
Oct 20 2008, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (spiderfrommars @ Oct 20 2008, 08:24 PM)

Oh god, now that's a plot twist that would shock me just a bit... but it's not impossible either, and it'd make any claire/peter shippers from back before they were related happy.
pshh Peter and Claire being related doesn't stop me from being a Paire shipper.
That dude though is totally creepy. He doesn't even seem like a villian, just a pedo.
BluEyedGrl105
Oct 20 2008, 09:12 PM
QUOTE (conspiracytheory @ Oct 20 2008, 07:39 PM)

Doyle doesn't have the genes necessary to create a "Barbie" girl like Claire. =p
You could say the same thing about Bob and Elle.
BlastOff
Oct 20 2008, 09:13 PM
QUOTE (footstool @ Oct 20 2008, 10:42 PM)

To counter your points.
1. Whoever in the company that discovered the link (or lack thereof) between Nathan and Claire would be silenced by Angela and the other founders. No one goes up against Angela unless they're a founder...and she had most of them in her pocket (Linderman, Deveaux, Nakamura) while Arthur had Maury. The only Founder we have seen who might have defied Angela AND Arthur was Bob...and we saw what happened to him. Anyone who would have found out would have been killed or had their memory erased by the Haitian.
2. Angela has an interest in Claire for various reasons. Her powers being one of them (Peter needed that power to survive the explosion that Angela and Linderman were orchestrating in season one). The second is that Nathan now thinks she is his daughter. Angela has been playing Claire all along and she's playing Nathan. She has a reason for continuing the deception Meredith started. In season one Claire's power was going to save either Peter or Sylar. Now she must have another reason to keep the lie going...and her dreams give her that motivation. She knows something the audience doesn't.
I just don't understand nor have I seen why she would lie to Nathan. What purpose could it serve to have Nathan believe that Claire is his daughter. If anything it worked against Angela because it was Claire's heroism that sent Nathan to Kirby Plaza.
BluEyedGrl105
Oct 20 2008, 09:15 PM
QUOTE (footstool @ Oct 20 2008, 08:42 PM)

Angela has an interest in Claire for various reasons. Her powers being one of them (Peter needed that power to survive the explosion that Angela and Linderman were orchestrating in season one).
Peter, like Meredith and Ted, is immune to his own power. He would not need regeneration to survive an explosion.
pngaou
Oct 20 2008, 09:16 PM
In terms of the show, I don't think it'll happen because Claire's character already has an attachment to Nathan. I think they would have revealed something during this episode if Doyle was actually her father.
gamepete64
Oct 20 2008, 09:18 PM
I gotta admit, I did think about that when he said that line.
Begemot Geroi
Oct 21 2008, 04:23 AM
Seems like a good theory, but I doubt they'll run with it.
sharisse
Oct 22 2008, 06:09 AM
ok...freakin my tiny little mind out here!!!!! no
way...hadnt even thought ab this possibility!
ooooooooooooooooo
this would lead the way for peter and Claire to get in
oooooooooon ooooooooo
but no i dont want it! hehee!
MAYBE THAT'S WHY, WHEN Claire SHOT PETER IN THE FUTURE...IT WAS MORE
LIKE I LOVED YOU ... AS A LOVER?? OMG my head just shot off my neck
i swear
Auburn Red
Oct 22 2008, 06:17 AM
I think Doyle was a creep who raped her once, but I don't think he's Claire's biological father. It may have come before or after Claire was conceived, perhaps while Claire was living with the Bennetts or during one of Meredith's many self imposed exile (as you can see to quote Gaston from Beauty and the Beast "I am starting to get ideas.. thinking.") I imagine Meredith probably had a pretty screwed up background and kind of appealed to Nathan as this (seemingly) sane fascinating handsome man from a (reportedly) good family whom she could finally be with.
10thWOTW
Oct 22 2008, 06:28 AM
I believe that the "story" we know about Merideth, is just that - a story! I think that Merideth has/has always been working for the company as "one of them" otherwise I don't believe for a second that HRG would have brought her into the picture with all of the bad guys out of level 5.
That being said, Doyle is just plain crazy, fully believing that his "Puppeter" ability actually makes those (I assume mostly women) that he manipulates in his crazy world, be in love with him..He makes them do that. I think early on that Merideth, while working for the company got caught by Doyle and manipulated in that way, Doyle being crazy, believed she loved him just before he was going to kill her. Merideth might have been rescued in the nick of time. Doyle is crazy.
Anyway who's to say that Arthur, Linderman or even Angela didn't orchestrate the getting together of Nathan and Merideth ala Niki and DL? ALSO who's to say that Bob really is Elle's daddy? He may have been given her just like HRG recieved Claire!
thepoohguy
Oct 22 2008, 09:24 AM
You will never get me to believe that Angela put all that effort into someone who wasn't her own granddaughter.
The whole trying to send her to Paris, continuously protecting her, giving her to HRG to begin with.
I mean it's Angela. You don't think she tested that DNA before giving her over to HRG to ensure she was her granddaughter?
Personally, I think the Nathan/Meredith hookup was a test to see if a synthetic could pass on an ability to a child.
That makes sense when you think about how powers get passed on. Maury's must be natural and passed it on to Matt which was natural. That's why they have the same power.
Same goes for Peter and Sylar able to access other's abilities like Arthur. However, Nathan's synthetic ability is nowhere near like normal family ability.
sharisse
Oct 22 2008, 09:26 AM
good point ab synthetic ability mixing with natural.
i can totally see arthur experimenting with this
malek
Oct 22 2008, 01:01 PM
QUOTE (pngaou @ Oct 21 2008, 01:16 AM)

In terms of the show, I don't think it'll happen because Claire's character already has an attachment to Nathan. I think they would have revealed something during this episode if Doyle was actually her father.
Flint is Meredith's brother and Clair's uncle as per spoilers that are going around.
sharisse
Oct 22 2008, 11:50 PM
oooooooooooooooooo read the spoiler...dammit! i have no will power..but wowwwwww awesome
BlastOff
Oct 23 2008, 10:10 AM
QUOTE (malek @ Oct 22 2008, 03:01 PM)

Flint is Meredith's brother and Clair's uncle as per spoilers that are going around.
Least interesting spoiler I've read in a long time.
lovesdistortion
Oct 23 2008, 03:03 PM
QUOTE (footstool @ Oct 21 2008, 12:03 AM)

I think Angela being the shrewd woman that she is has ALWAYS doubted Claire's paternity. She knew what kind of reputation Meredith had.
Footstool, you have good theories but you aren't remembering when Claire goes to NY for the first time and meets Angela, Angela tells her that she has known about her since she was born. She was very vested in Nathan becoming a successful DA and politician, so I'm sure she had him followed and kept tabs on his life and doings. Plus, she dreams the future. She could have seen Claire being born to Meredith, or something along those lines.
I don't think she doubted Claire's paternity for a second.
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