what ability does Sylar have that allowed him to connect with his mom like that?

Maybe it is from that guy we saw on the preview he TK's onto the wall?

i think it was Angela that did it.

Dreamwalking!?!
I like that idea. Wasn't there some other character who could dreamwalk?
Oh right- that Indian kid. Maybe Mama Petrelli can dreamwalk in addition to her precognitive dreams.

I do as well. Maybe it's part of her dream powers. Not sure.

That's what I thought but when he told her that he could not use any of his abilties she said. "Then how do you think i got here?" He must of used one we havent seen before or maybe you're right that she did it!

I think it was an extension of Angela's powers.

so then she is like the kid from India kind of...

Yeah, that must be it.

also, it couldn't be a power we haven't seen yet because his powers from season one are completely gone as of now. other then tk and ia


He has angelas ability, he can get abilities without slicing heads

where were you when peter went to the future? We saw that Syalr had then Issac's and Ted's ability meaning he still has his old abilities, it was a mental block or the virus to me.

um the power of the girl Angela fed to Sylar early in the season.

She could read the history of things she touched. Sylar has touched Angela. This was Angela's backdoor in the event she was incapacitated. Sylar now has the ability to read Angela. I think they're in constant contact.

Hmm I saw the event as Angela's power because at the time both of them were dreaming, and she simply hopped over into his dreams.

Not Isaac's and Ted's, according to the writers.

That quote from the writers is cute but doesn't make sense. Sylar said he had been fighting the Hunger for a long time. He had been fighting it for his son who looked to be about 4 or almost 4 years old. So they are saying he luckily picked up radiation and future painting again real quick before he decided he wanted to be a good dad? That seems a bit silly, In the end it doesn't matter because that future doesn't exist anymore anyway.

Sylar probably took Peters power, then got his old powers from Peter.

Maybe she meant that if they'd be blocking his powers, hers wouldn't work either? Or, maybe it's one of his powers. Or, it was Maury (was he still alive?).

It was Angelas power.

- Bridgets power works on objects only so sylar can touch who he wants as long as he wants, it won't accomplish anything.

- Sylar was never able to "read" Angela

The difference between Sanjong and Angela is that Sanjong can guide you through your dream and show you the past through it while Angela communicates with you and sees the future herself only.

So its not the same power even both can "visit" you in your dreams.

The writers made it very clear the path that the power took and, in doing so, its source and its destination. It (this dreamwalking ability) has Angela as its source...she is a dreamwalker. Her dreamwalking ability includes the power of pre-sight.

Gabriel was asleep and thus available for this dreamwalker's visit. She demonstrated that her powers extended even into his cell...a cell that (because of its power damping field) should have prevented her superpowered intrusion. But, alas, did not

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I think it was Maury Parkman. I think Papa Petrelli had him pretend to be Angela to have him come to Pinehearst. Notice that Arthur seemed to expect him when he showed up?

No. Her power is she can dream the future. At no time has she said, or ever implied that she could "Dreamwalk" before this episode.
You are guessing she can now "dreamwalk." I'm guessing it's plothole/bad writing example #327 this season.

For crying out loud, how hard of a concept is it to grasp? The scene showed Angela unconscious in her room. There's brain activity on the EEG monitor and her eyes start to move (kinda like REM sleep), there's intercutting shots of someone moving down the company hallway and then in Level 5, where Sylar is. They couldn't have made it any plainer that it was Angela doing that. And we've only just found out about what ONE aspect of her ability is, which is precognitive dreaming so the "plot holes/bad writing" line of reasoning doesn't fly.

For crying out loud, how hard of a concept is it to grasp? The scene showed Angela unconscious in her room. There's brain activity on the EEG monitor and her eyes start to move (kinda like REM sleep), there's intercutting shots of SOMEONE moving down the company hallway and then in Level 5, where Sylar is


So it was definitely Angela walking down the hall, opening the door.? No. You are led to believe it. But you don't have actual proof. All you have are establishing shots of medical equipment. You have extremely weak circumstancial evidence of it. Her power is reading the future in her sleep...alone. What you are saying in this ep. has her communicating with other sleeping people. This is your theory, but not a fact based (so far) in the Heroes Universe. She said flat out I can dream the future, and NEVER said oh yeah I can pull a freddy Kruger and talk to you in your dreams. They are two different powers that share being asleep. We might find out when where and how Mrs. P can suddenly do this. Just like Sanjog Iyer. But, until it's verified be any in a future ep or gn, this new "Mrs P. a dreamwalker" crap is still just a theory. So until MrsP acknowledges she can do it, it can only bee a theory. There are dozens of ways it could have been someone else. Basically it comes down that YOU are creating this dreamwalker ability stuff, not the writers/director who have only said she dreams futures.

He is not guessing. Those shots of traveling down the hallways weren't meaningless. It was clear that they were there in order to clarify what we were seeing, and it was obvious what was going on. Angela in Sylar's dream was the real Angela's consciousness taking care of business while her physical body remains comatose.

I think there is more to this scene than what we were shown. If Arthur got in her head once, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it again to send her down the hall to get Sylar up. I hope they let us know soon.

The real question is: how did Sylar, after the dream walk/whatever you want to call Angela's power in that scene, all of a sudden awake from a drug induced coma? I can see the dream interaction at the mental level even in the coma but for him to snap out of it is kinda weird.

Angela can dream walk. This was established through Peter who, in season 1, dream walked to the past to visit Charles Deveaux (it was not time travel, only Charles could see him). I had thought that was Charles ability, but with Angela doing it here, now I don't think so.

That's totally in line with the resistance to drugs and poisons he showed in the 1st two seasons, something I always attributed to an ability. Yet he doesn't have any of those abilities. Oh except he has TK. Oh and he has Precog Painting and Radioactivity from S1 as fGabriel even though he's a good guy who stays home and takes care of his son, not someone who's out gathering powers which perfectly duplicate his old repretoire. Contradictory writing much? Argh.

Like Matt's power expanded, Angela probably started with precognitive dreams and went to going into other people's dreams. It is a logical extension. How Sylar broke out was confidence. He was feeling sorry for himself. He wasn't in a drug-induced coma -- he was sleeping while breathing a power-inhibiting gas which apparently wasn't strong enough for Sylar.

Now that is an interesting idea todash -- although I don't know if Present Peter has found any of the second-level powers yet. He can read minds but can't control people. He hasn't stopped time yet, just teleported (future Peter figured out time stop), and walked around while time was stopped/slowed. Since pre-cog dreams were his first absorbed ability, maybe he was able to get the secondary power quickly, but I would still attribute that to Deveaux.

MagG,

Gabriel has IA, his awesome base power, which makes everything else possible. He does not yet have precog painting (PP) or induced radioactivity (IR) at this time. And while he has his TK, it's the IA that has always made him "special". Angela realizes this and makes her son aware of how special mommy's little boy really is.

"Now, get up...and make mommy proud!"

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My point was that they're being inconsistent with his powers. The injection restores IA and his first stolen ability, but nothing else? Then we see the future where he has two powers which exactly duplicate two he had the last time Peter saw him (Way back in Kirby Plaza)?? What gives?

Bit off topic sorry, but..

Does anyone know if or where it has been confirmed that Sylar does not have all the powers he picked up in S1?

IA is his natural power. Why does he have TK but not the rest?

Thanks

MagG,

I've had to reload my operating system on more than one occasion, and I find that certain favorite programs (my anti-virus, my browser, my email, my registry maintenance programs...) I will use over and over. I can see Gabriel re-acquiring some of his personal favorite powers as well...especially given years to do so.

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There are 67 known abilities. Sylar has been able to get 5 abilities over the course of a month before. It takes 9 months to make a baby. 9 times 5 is 45. There is a 45 out of 67 chance that one of those 45 abilities is radiation. There is a 44 out of 67 chance that one of the other 44 abilities is future painting. There is a 1980 out of 4489 (44%) chance of him getting both.

Episode 8 and then ask the question again.

So, out of the 67 known abilities he felt radioactive explosions and painting the future were super useful? He was lucky enough to find new people that had these powers? Why the radioactive power? There is no reason Sylar needs to kill evreyone around him, it would make much more sense for him to get cryokinesis again or pyrokinesis or freaking laser eyes! Why future painting? There are no straight precogs? Really? The only way he can see the future is taking the powers from a dude who paints the future? It just dumb.

You obviously forgot the fact that his killing spree of 5 kills per month has already stopped?
So in that case your calculation wouldn't much the possibility and to be honest they just used what they though would fit the best fx wise and power wise to get their storyline further without the need to create new fx or bring up new or other powers.

So its rather more simple than we all think and another excuse on the end of the writers that he could had meet others with the exact same powers and he just took them forgetting that they had redeemed him already.

Oh, please! Sometimes a duck is just a duck.


And could we finally stop debating about Sylar and which powers he has and if the writers have messed it up or not? There must be a billion threads dealing with this.

oliveFoxx,

I agree!

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I agree that Sylar took Peter's Ability because he could do it without killing him, and it would ease the hunger a little for him, at least for other abilities. But he had to get Precog painting and nuclear abilities elsewhere. The reason for this is Peter's ability won't allow him to mimic other mimiced abilities. There's a CBR column that says it somewhere, I can't be bothered looking for it. The question arose when the discussion of Present Peter getting all of Future Peter's abilities was going on. Anyway, so Sylar gets mimicry, but has to meet entirely new precog painters and nuclear people. Or it's just a small oversight.

Not really sure what you mean by saying Sylar took Peter's ability...

If ever there was a bumper buffet bonus, it's Arthur. Sylar still has the hunger. It's no surprise he wants to stick close to Arthur.

And I think we could well see Peter sharing his power with Sylar, mirroring Sylar sharing his earlier in the season. Of course Peter needs to get his power back first (formula or someone with the power to gift powers rather than steal them).

But judging by glimpses of the future Peter gets time travel back, and if you've got time travel and a power acquisition power, you could have any and all powers in the future. Getting Arthur's powers would be a start then you can time hop all over the place: "Hello Linderman, hello Isaac, hello Candice, hello Adam, hello Niki, hello my future self, hello my future children, etc, etc..." There are lots of ways FSylar & FPeter could get tooled up.

As to the topic. I think it was Angela's power + Sylar's usually mysterious, enigmatic specialness.

No, it's just how it turned out. He had a nearly 50/50 chance. He didn't seem to have a problem taking those powers the first time



You obviously forgot the fact that we don't know what happened in those 9 months? He had just killed Jesse Murphy, and there's no telling what he's going to do under Arthur's influence. Oh, and there's a lot more specials in this future.

First of all, the fact that there's still a future painter in the picture AND known by Pinehearst scares me somewhat, because Usutu is all kinds of awesome.

I think Sylar got all his powers back but has no need to use them, especially with his new mood-turn.

It makes sense that with his new mood-turn AND a kid soon to be in the picture he would stop killing people to get more powerful, especially since in the future he seems unhappy to even have the powers at all with lil' Noah around.

It's easy to forget F_Peter is NOT the same Peter we have now, F_Peter never lost his powers, that only happened because he shot Nathan, which is the integral theme to this series: Stepping on butterflies.

I honestly think it's something to do with his ability to see an object's history and his mother's ability, this allowed them to make an improvised connection. All Angela needed to do was get his adrenaline going and he was able to whoop ******. However, one of the best things about Heroes are the curveballs, so while I may think I'm probably right, a part of me wants to be proven drastically wrong, that's half the fun!

Just rewatched the Season 1 finale, and what happens? Peter somehow communicates with Charles Deveaux via dream. Unless it was Charles who had this ability, which would make this scene defunct, I believe that it's just an extension of Angela's ability.

It didn't happen in the same way in the alternate timeline, but I think FPeter had lost powers. Biggest clue: the scar.

And flyboynathan, I think the scene in the s1 finale is a demonstration of Charles's power. Possibly combining with Peter's.

I mean exactly what I said. You actually reworded it shortly after you said this!

Future Peter shares ability with future Sylar. Future Sylar can then mimic abilities. Future Sylar gets nuclear ability and precog painting. Where's the confusion? Is it the hunger thing? Sylar hungers for abilities right, so Peter lets Sylar get mimicry so his hunger is purely for intentions or whatever the hell you crave when you have abilities already.

Back on topic, how can it be Angela's ability? She has the ability to see the future right? Not break into other people's dreams. And even if she could break into other people's dreams or enter their head or whatever, how the hell does that suddenly give Sylar the ability to wake himself from a medically induced coma? No, I think Sylar was the one who made the connection between the two, and she - very cryptically - told him he was more powerful than he knew (which I didn't like, because he's supposed to know with that IA, dammit!) and all of a sudden he can break free. He realised at that moment Angela was right, he was the one creating the connection and he could get up.

I don't think this has much to do with clairsentience, because I don't see how clairsentience can give him the strength to wake up from his medically-induced coma.

In my mind this leaves only a couple of options. Either this is somehow part of his IA or something, or TK wasn't the only ability retained. I do feel that in the CBR columns, sometimes the writers give intentionally false answers.

Okay, assuming you're right, how does it benefit her to tell Sylar he is the one making the connection between the two of them? And I assume you still believe Angela when she told Sylar he is more powerful than he knows?

I hate to admit it, but despite saying only moments ago I don't think it's Angela creating the connection, there's a chance. It would also explain how Peter could 'visit' the future he left Caitlin in without ever leaving Adam's sight, and coming back with a flyer in his hand.

It increases his confidence, as he'd been a major wet blanket up until that point.

GaZZuM and Dunc,

Angela appeals to her son's awesome IA power. He's able to receive her mental outreach because of his innate aboriginal godsend...which is not effected by the power dampeners in his cell. She, unlike him, understands what he's truly capable of. Like father...like son?

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Anyone know the answer to this?

In a Beyond the Eclipse segment, writers confirmed it. I can't find a link for you right now.

it's clear to me Sylar can get all his old powers back and then some from Arthur Petrelli.

I see! So you're saying IA doesn't play by the rules, because it can outthink the dampeners, or anything else. So while we were thinking that Peter's power to pick up other powers was the best power (or Arthur's power to steal them), Sylar's IA is in fact the power to trump all others, the "super"-power if you like!

I do love Sylar. IA or not he's the most intelligent character on the show. And the power of understanding anything and everything is something I'd certainly say I aspire to!

I think this scene was actually showing us that the only limitations Sylar faces are those he creates himself. If he can imagine it he can achieve it. This scene is a clue to the secret behind the whole damn shooting match...

It was all a dream. Sylar's going to wake up at the end of series 7 as a perfectly normal watch repairer.

"Hello Mohinder..."