Don't think he knows that Gabriel can know everything once he touches you. So he could look into the past and see exactly what happened. Not sure what side he's going to come out on, but him throwing Peter out the window was well executed. I figured he had him all the way down.

Who the hell is Gabrielle? I didn't know that Sylar had a sex change during this episode.

Come on, guy. You know what Alordo meant :-/

I don't think he's 100% committed to pinehurst just playing along.

Don't tell me there is ANOTHER Petrelli XD

Um, how about bite me. I made a mistake. Get over yourself. And was the swearing really necessary? What is up with these posters nowadays. That is the MOST prevalent thing in posts. Someone swearing or making symbols to refer to swearing. This forum is starting to go downhill with people like this.

I know, it was just too fun to pass on.

Anyway, yeah, he probably used Clairsentience to see the past and get one-up from "Daddy dearest". He's just playing along to get more info because he's not stupid like Peter. Sylar is actually supposed to be very smart.

P.S: You're funny. Internet Drama makes me lol.

Now we've seen both Angela and Arthur play Sylar VERY easily, but as we've seen, he's a smart guy. There's always the possibility that he's playing both of the petrellis.

If angela HAD tried to drown him as a kid, he would already know from touching her.

Yeah, but I wonder: What did he saw? Did Arthur told the truth about Gabriel's past with his mother? Who of the 2 parents his honest... Or maybe neither of them are, in which case: What his the truth! Thing is, what Arthur said, about Angela seeing how bad Gabriel would turn out and all, it does make senses... And we all know Angela is a manipulative lady...

I guess Gabriel should just touch himself and see his own past directly! (no joke intented here... Well, ok, yeah, there is one! )

Alright, it is embarrassing when you make a mistake in a thread title. We get it. No need to lose our cool, eh?

Angela might have foreseen this meeting between Sylar and Arthur and had called upon Bridget Bailey with the hopes that Sylar would see the truth.

If one or both of them are lying, Sylar knows, and I really don't think Arthur knows that he knows. He's doing the smart thing to bide his time and stay alive until he makes his strike - he's staying on the side of the one person who can permenantly stop him - the one who can remove powers.

And as to the above post, she gave him the ability before she knew arthur was alive/back. It wasn't until later she was put in that frozen coma-like state by discovering arthur's presence, and she seemed pretty surprised about that.

Thank you for fixing the name in the thread title. I appreciate it.

I would say both parents lied. Angela said Gabriel was her favorite. Arthur said Peter was Angela's favorite. Nathan is clearly Angela's true favorite.

Dirty liars.

Underneath it all, Gabriel has an innate need to see how things work. He won't completely "pick a side" until he knows all the details. It's good that he's at least keeping the family alive while he calculates his moves.

My problem with this clairsentience or seeing the history of objects has me confused. We know he has this power, fine, but we haven't seen him use it yet have we? We also don't that it works on people do we? A lot of assumptions seem to be made on these boards lately because of this power. Is this something I'm missing because I don't read the GNs?

He used it at the bank with Noah. Remember the dialogue in the street about how Noah takes his coffee?

And when he tells claire that when he touched her hand he realized all of the pain he put her through.

I forgot about that part! Thanks!

Clarisitence only works with inanimate objects, not people.

My thought was they picked a low special effects power for the person Angela was to feed Sylar with- a power they never really intended to spend any time on or with-

Sylar says it himself- "So what is she supposed to do for me?"

Angela says, "Feed you."

They wanted to show the extent of the new relationship between Mama Petrelli and her abandoned son and they needed him to eat someone with what they had assumed would be an inconsequential power- They are oblivious to fan conspiracies...

... if the makers of this show wanted us to think Sylar used that power to "see" his dad's history, why didn't they show it? Flashbacks, or whatever. It hasn't occurred to me at all that he'd use that on Arthur.

And I thought Clairsentience only worked on objects, not people. The supposed "proof" that clairsentience was actually used was only implied in those respective episodes.

Too bad though that you people see more into Bridgets power and more into the fact that they offed the character then there is. -.-

- Bridgets power works on objects ONLY.
- they brought and killed her in the show to get rid of the bbc character cause they said it would had interfered with mohinders storyline this season. -.-

So they added her, killed her and thats it.

For those complaining that the clairsentience power only works on objects, is it a hard concept to grasp that people are objects too? The term object is pretty broad. If it's tangible, it's an object. With all the Bridget content, I don't recall there being any mention or hint of a restriction that the power wouldn't work on humans for some reason. Given that Sylar was telling Claire that she felt all the pain he caused her when he touched her hand, it would certainly appear to me that the power can be used on humans as well as the other objects you'd usually envision the power being used on, just this use yields a more interesting result.

Anyways, the possibility that Sylar/Gabriel would have learned about Arthur's history through contact seems to be there, though I don't think it's a passive power that Sylar is always using subconsciously, so he may not have used it in this instance. And it does seem a bit uncertain how much he would see or even how clearly his mind would be able to perceive all of it.

A word about feeding Sylar-

I loved the image of a mother feeding another human being to her son, who was in effect a cannibal. I realize a lot of people see Angela's choice to sacrifice that particular employee as happenstance- 'give him a non-destructive power to satisfy his craving for a while.' However Angela is anything but whimsical or random in her choices. She is every bit as calculating and manipulative as any character in the series, including Sylar. Her every action is part of some greater design.

This begs the question, what precisely was Angela feeding to Sylar and why?

Personally, I think she was directly feeding his hunger to know, which as we saw with Peter is an unfortunate side affect of Intuitive Aptitude. Clairsentience is instant knowledge through touch. Thus by simply touching, Sylar can afterward feed his own hunger. (Instead of just giving him a fish, Angela taught Sylar to fish- a completely acceptable Christian concept, here people! Not to mention, this is every new mother mammal's role in nature.)

As stated previously, I think Clairsentience also acts as a sort of 'conscience transplant' for Sylar. Before being fed the power, he had trouble forming human connections except perhaps to Virginia Gray and the Doctor Suresh's, father and son (none of whom had powers.) The way all these relationships ended in blood is part and parcel of Sylar's monstrous history and his own personal tragedy.

Since being fed, he demonstrated human connections to Claire, Peter, and Angela- all members of his newfound super family, as well as the healthier tendancy not to cause them more harm than he feels he must. Sure he might still have chosen to slice the top off Claire's head, but can express regret at the pain he caused her, and save her from a vortex though she would have been expendable to the old Sylar, having already claimed her power. Certainly he can toss the newly powerless Peter out a window, but then uses TK either to cushion his impact or slow his descent, saving Peter whether for his brother's own sake or for their mother's.

I like to look at it from the perspective that Sylar, due to his conscience transplant, has in effect been born again complete with a brand new family. Like any newborn, his first human relationships are forming with his family, particularly Angela, Peter, and Claire. As he learns and grows, humanity as a whole could become part of Sylar's extended family. This possibility is Sylar's chance at redemption. Angela, through her brilliant choice of Sylar food has given this gift of a chance at redemption to her son.

As for Clairsentience, who knows how this power will evolve under Sylar's control? Throughout the series, Sylar uses the powers of others in ways the previous owners never deemed possible. As his touch is now instant knowledge, will Sylar one day only have to touch a person in order to acquire a new power? Have we already seen him acquire Angela's power through touch? I don't know, but find Sylar's new possibilities completely fascinating!

Besarien,

Impressive...

Creator

Angela's exact wording is "any object she touches, she can see its history. Everywhere its been, everyone who's ever touched it.

There is nothing about that comment that applies to touching a person. He also wouldn't be able to touch an object and tell what a person is feeling. It has nothing to do with emotions. All the power can do is tell Sylar who has touched and object and where that object has been. It's the everyone who's ever touched it comment that makes me believe it has nothing to do with people. She can who has handled an object, not anything the person handling the object was thinking or feeling. He can tell everyone Arthur has touched and what happened by touching his hand because he has a ring on. At some point Noah could have spilled some coffed in his car. Him knowing Claire's feelings may be a biproduct of being in her brain and not killing her. Everyone else he killed.

I agree and whose to say she didn't have a ring or a watch one, still... Sylar could touch Arthur and know he was telling the truth, but wouldn't know the other truth behind the story as I feel there is more to it.

Besarien,

Inspired post. That's all what I've been thinking. I know some people who have written off Angela in their life because of that one act. She needs Sylar to help save the world so she scarified one person for it, and it wasn't some random power. I also have to note that you can see Angela's face change when she hears the screams. She pauses in her tracts when she hears it, which shows she's effected, then she seems to suck in her emotions and put on a stern face and walk away blankly - as if she's trying to pretend it doesn't bother her, for it had to be done.

The world is gonna end, Peter is pretty much kidnapped, desperate times cause for desperate measures.



I agree about the objects it was pretty clear, but who knows what objects were on him he touched, however it has been noted in Bridget's letters to Mohinder on the BBC site she says she can feel the emotions, sometimes, of the person. She once touched a piece of evidence and felt what the killer and felt and was in his shoes.

I stand corrected about the getting a person's feelings from touching objects they handled. I went over to wiki and read the letters. I didn't know they existed. It is very clear to me from reading those letters that she only gets her visions from touching objects and not people. When she held a murder weapon she had a vision of the murder from the point of view of the murderer and felt their rage. There is nothing anywhere to indicate a vision from touching a person. I think Sylar has a bond with Claire because he's literally been in her head tinkering with her nerve endings and she's still alive.

Fair enough but perhaps an 'object' is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps Bridget doesn't view people as mere objects. Perhaps a serial killer pretty much has to in order to do what he's done. A decent definition of psychopath is exactly that- a person unable to view other people as anything but objects.

Also as stated, this is Sylar we're talking about. He has a long history of finding different uses for the same powers. With the addition of his IA it's a given that he will better understand how the power works/what it's limits are/ how to exploit it fully to serve his own purposes. How Bridget used it and how she thought it worked just don't matter a whole lot.

That is actually a great thought. I think that theory is possible. Thanks

Alright so if it is true that Sylar can only get info from objects, then possibly that is why they keep showing the ring of Arthur. Touch that ring, and you will get the last 35-40 years of where Arthur "has been" and other people who "have touched it". Seems to be a perfect object for such a skill.

Can Arthur touch a Special without taking his/her powers? Does anyone remember if he touched any special and didn't?

Think what that means metaphorically. Arthur can't touch or be touched without his taking your power. But in the promo for ep. 8 we see Angela kiss and nuzzle her husband and we have to assume since they have three boys she must have touched him or he touched her at some point. Or maybe his powers didn't kick in until after he made sure Heidi was handicapped. We still don't know if Arthur's powers are natural or store bought manufactured through the formula.

Yeah, the fact that they have three children together and Angela still has her ability means Arthur can turn his ability off.

And the fact they have ONLY three children means Arthur can turn Angela off. ha ha

Okay, people, Bridget's ability sounds very similar to Johnny Smith from The Dead Zone, if that makes it easier to understand. He knew histories from people AND objects.

I think the same thing could have been accomplished if she had given Sylar a person with x-ray vision. Then instead of ripping off the skullcap, he could just look through it.

Well it's always fun to quote or cite another film or book. We still have no concrete evidence that his clairsentience works on people. In fact, we will have no clarification on it, probably, until after the season break since the first 13 episodes are already in the can.

I think the way they make it a point to focus on Arthur's ring make it a significant OBJECT. And maybe indeed it is a way through which Gabriel will know more about his father. If we think about it, the confidence of Angela feeding such a power to Gabriel may make us think that she's confident that she has nothing to hide from him. From her lines... she understands him, his power, what he can do more than him as of this moment. She knows she will not be able to hide anything from him and instead thinks of the power she gave him as something to make their bond stronger. I just wish they had a hint like when he's using IA (the tick tock sound) when he's using his clairsentience so we'll know.

I agree that the ring is being featured prominently enough to be more than just a sentimental Annapolis reminder... but I still feel that, if Sylar had indeed used Clairsentience on the show, we would have been told.

Even if Arthur didn't get/activate his power until after that, I believe he touched Knox just before he took Adams power.

The ring to me connects Nathan and Arthur. It's a great character piece considering how much Nathan has followed in his father's footsteps. It was also a way NOT to show Robert's face and later make the reveal that Arthur was the one is Angela's dream.

I agree if and when he sues Clairsentience we would be told, but who knows on this show they like to reveal info later to make us think and sometimes it's just frustrating.

I don't know anymore. I've heard will will see that power on an object for sure, or did I assume it was an object and I don't think it was meant to be the claire hand thing. But I'm out of ideas because I was sure someone would be touching Angela's ring by this point and still no dice.



Yes, I think it's very much proven that Arthur can turn his power on and off. And as much as kids want to think the stork brought them to their parents Peter and Sylar wouldn't be around if Arthur couldn't turn off his power. I do however would like to see when he figure out he had that power and took someone's power by accident.

I so knew someone was going to say that

I think Bridget's ability is a better choice than x-ray vision because she also feels what the person was feeling. In one of her e-mails to Mohinder she said she touched a piece of evidence from a murder and not only did she see the whole thing but she felt what the murderer felt (she then vomited because she was so disgusted.)

I think the reason Mama Petrelli didn't give Gabriel x-ray vision (although it would be very useful) is because she may know he doesn't need to deslice heads to get an ability and wants to encourage not poking at others brains.

lol. How did I miss this one. Or the other way around, as Arthur said "have you met their mother"

What a couple, I can't wait to see them in action.

On a side note three kids in twenty years of child bearing years, (even less since it would seem taht she was in her early thirties when Peter was born) still not bad. I'm shocked they had another kid after Sylar (I'm assuming he's the middle one) but then we know Arthur seems dead set on having powerful children.

But she didn't feel what they were feeling by touching a person. She feels what they were feeling by touching a murder weapon or something they handled. The reason this my work for Sylar with people is like what Besarien said. He's a psychopath. Sylar thinks of people as "its". Think of the scene in Silence of the Lambs when the killer says "It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."

I agree with you. My post didn't mention the Sylar seeing people as objects idea because I thought we all pretty much agreed on it. I was just stating the case for clairescence (sp?) over x-ray vision.

Actually, KNOX touched Arthur by grabbing his hand so Arthur could grab Adam.

Sorry, should have said that he and Knox made skin to skin contact; the point being that he doesn't just steal powers every time he touches someone (like Rogue, for example,) as some might have posited.

Knox obviously knew what Arthur was going to do to Adam, and he wouldn't have touched him if he knew that every time Arthur touched someone, he stole their powers.

The ability is like Bob's. They touch things but they have control over their ability.

Are you new to the internet or something? Forum life has been like this since pretty much the beginning of internet forums. Is hell really swearing btw?

Personally I reckon at least one of them is telling Sylar the truth. And I'm absolutely certain somebody is going to have something to say about this, but I don't think Angela is manipulating him in the way she would usually manipulate people. She's manipulating him using the truth. Usually she could conveniently slip in a lie here or there, with a fairly good idea of where its going to lead the situation. But with Gabriel, she just refers to appropriate bits of the truth, probably skimming past contradictory facts for her own benefit. So even though I agree with you, I thought the difference should be pointed out.

IKR.

Nobody appreciates people butchering names like that, especially if they have to bring in the character's gender too.