If it turns out to be true, it is a very interesting part of Sylar's origins. I was a little miffed about why Angela would give up one son and not the others, but I think this provides a pretty reasonable explanation for such a rash decision, and why a mother might do such a thing.


Of course, they still have some questions to answer. The Petrelli brother's actually ages have been foggy for a long time now, and I am really interested in how old Nathan would have been when all of this took place. (Him having another brother for whatever amount of time).

I agree, Leek. I've also wondered how old they are. And her knowing Sylar's future is believable. Then again, maybe if she would have kept him, that future wouldn't have come to pass.

And THAT is what makes the ability to tell the future so great. It could be all powerful, only those who have it are human, and draw human conclusions and react in human like ways. The very fact she saw it was the reason it happened.


I always think about it like in the Matrix, when the oracle asks "If I hadn't told you about the vase, would you still have broken it?"

I'd definitely believe that it happened, but like you said, where would that put him in relation to the age of the other petrelli brothers?

As much as I believe it happened, I also think Arthur put some kind of spin on it... made it out worse than it was to gain Sylar's trust. Neither of the Petrelli parent's are really trustworthy.

I personally reject the idea of Sylar and Peter being twins. I just don't like it, and it just can't be. Peter is considerably younger then Nathan. Nate would remember, and I don't want to hear any "But the Haitian!" because I am pretty confident The Haitian wasn't around then. We saw him introduced in..what..Company Man?

I agree that it would be really weak to have him and peter be twins... i'd be more inclined to believe that sylar is slightly older than he looks, and is in between pete and nate, and that nathan was too young to remember this incident/saw it and was so traumatized that he blocked it out of his memory.

And to play the haitian's advocate, at any point in time he could have removed all memories of another petrelli brother from peter and nathan's heads. Would this option be lame? Yes.

I can see it now. A twenty year old Nathan prepares for dinner.

Angela: Nathan, Peter I want you to behave. We're having a very important guest over for dinner.

Nathan: Mom stop speaking to me like a child. I'm a father now.

Arthur: Yes but she's dead now son so apparently you weren't that great at it. Besides you still live at home. You don't exactly scream independence buddy.

Nathan: That's a little cold. I can't help that my girlfriend and daughter burned to death in a fire. You never treat Gabe or Pete this way.

Angela: About that...I want you to behave tonight. We are having a friend drop by. He works for your father. He's from Haiti, he's a little shy so he doesn't talk a lot.

Nathan: Ok Ok. What's his name.

Angela: um...Arthur what is his name again?

Arthur: Who?

Angela: The Haitian.

Arthur: I thought you knew his name. I always call him the haitian.

(knock on the door)

Angela: Oh that's him. Everyone stand up straight and don't embarrass me and your father.

Arthur: Gabriel. Peter. Behave tonight or you're BOTH going into foster care.

Angela: You probably shouldn't have told them that dear.

Arthur: Oh like that matters anymore.

Angela: Oh fine. Well I want to keep Peter.

Arthur: You did that last time when we got rid of Claire. I say we keep Gabriel.

Angela: Oh come on you know we have to give one of them away.

Arthur: Fine. Nathan go with the haitian. We're putting you up for adoption.

Angela: Oh please Arthur. What adoption agency is going to place a 20 year old child with a new family.

Arthur: Fine. Fine. But you know you are going to have to cut the apron strings someday.

Angela: I will dear. I will. Just let me make Nathan president first.

Looks like you're better than the staff of the show at writing one liners for Arthur!

Peter is around 27. When he is in a coma in S1 Angela says something like "he's going to die of a heart attack! He's 26 years old and he is going to die of a heart attack!" (this is when Angela showed concern for her children's well-being.) On the passport they showed in S2 it listed his birthday as Dec. 23 1979 (27 years old), but that passport had his gender as female so I don't know how accurate it is lol.

In the GN War buddies (which must be one of the most cannon GNs ever since it deals with Lindermann and Arthur's backstories) Angela writes Arthur to tell him "their son took his first steps today..." that was in 1968. So Nathan is around 40 years old.

That's quite an age gap between Nathan and Peter although it explains Nathan being vaguely paternal towards him.

In last week's Behind The Eclipse they said Peter and Gabriel were not twins (even though the actors are the same age.)

Just out of curiosity... Did Nathan find out about Sylar and I missed it or is he still the only brother in the dark??

OMG. I'm saving that on word (with credit to you of course) so I don't lose it.

My roommate wants to know why I can't stop laughing.

Nice chronicling.. given this info i'd personally cast my vote for Gabriel being in between peter and nathan, and nathan saw his mom try to kill him and thus blocked the whole of gabriel's existence from his memory... It's not an easy thing to see your mother try to drown your baby brother, or so i would imagine.

Thank you

I actually never thought about Nathan blocking out Gabriel from his memory due to trauma. What if he saw what his mother was doing in the bathroom and called his Dad for help. It would add a lot more depth to his father being his "hero." That would be an intense scene

My personal theory is that when Nathan was ten or so he got all psyched because he was going to have a little brother, but then his Mother comes home from the hospital looking shaken and his Father tells him the baby died and not to talk about it. Later, Peter is born and he is an extra little treasure because of this. No one tells Peter about Gabriel because Peter is the "sensitive one." Besides that I don't think most families bring up the subject of dead children, especially not the Petrellis.



Yes. Yes, it would.

Topics Merged: Angela and the bathtub, Did Angela really do it?

So, here's a thought for us to chew on:

I want to think it was true, because it sooo sounds like something Anglea would do and it has a great tragic, emotional addition to her backstory.

Do you think Angela really did try and kill baby Sylar because she saw what he would do. The monster he would turn into and how he would try and kill Claire (one timeline doing it) and Peter - even Nathan?

Or is Arthur lying?

Maybe it's half and half and he's not telling the whole story 'cause I found the line "I've been waiting a long time for him" an interesting line. As if he was being hidden from him.

All I can say is the backstory was one of my fav parts of the ep.

Discuss.

I agree. The way Arthur said "i've been waiting for him for a long time" I wonder if there was more to it and Arthur was gonna use him. But I love this story and I really hope it's true. It's so tragic and emotional and has so many layers to it.

The Haitian time line doesn't work about no memory of a son. They could just say the child died after a few days of living and it's so sad no one talks about it.

Angela could have used the Haitian so many times in season one and she didn't. In fact she told the Haitian to go against Bennet and NOT mind rape Claire - when really it would have been so much easier for her life if he had.

On my own pet theory note I think with Angela's reaction of Matt and her hatred of Maury I think it's a good bet Angela isn't so into messing with the brain due to her bad experience - and look at Sandra.

All indications to me shows Angela doesn't use the Haitian on her family.

I think Sylar is the middle baby. And if the bathtub moment is true I think we have to wait for Nathan's reaction to get some facts.

I really hope it's true and that we find out if it is.

When Papa Petrelli was telling Sylar about the bathroom incident, he held out his hand to Sylar, as if to say "touch me and see for yourself". Does anyone think that a part of Papa's ability is to already know what a persons ability is before they even show him? Could he have known that Sylar had the ability to see the history of anything he touches? I think that Sylar touched his hand and saw for himself.

I think that was more to throw Gabe down on the ground.

Doubtful since he saved Peters life for Angela, the one Arthur said tried to kill him. My money's on Arthur doing the attempted murder out of jelousy.

I agree. It really shows what a curse precognition can be. Plus, it would add even more depth to Angela.

I hope that the reason we haven't seen the flashback of this yet is because they really want to take their time with it and not toss it with the fast pace stuff. It could be such an intense scene, but I seriously wonder if NBC would let them get away with it (in S1 they cut some of "Jessica"'s lines to Hal because it implied Niki was sexually abused- not like that was much of a leap )

edit: imagine a 10 year old Nathan walking in on that!

Which is why I really want it to be true. It also adds in the greater good - are you born bad themes etc.

Could you kill a child for what he would become?

It's so fascinating and very Angela and would totally ad to who she has become - how messed up she got.

I hope he confronts her or maybe Nathan will ask WTF? Sylar has to be the middle child, but odds are he thought his brother had died. I just wonder did Arthur hide her away or did Angela?

This has got to be the best thing I've read on the entire forum.
I love it.

What about this; Angela has a baby boy. The fact that his parents both have abilities, you'd think Nathan would come out with abilites as well. But he doesn't. So maybe Arthur took matters into his own hands and gave Angela some sort of fertility drug developed by their company in hopes that their next son has abilites. This leads to her giving birth to Sylar but there's a problem. His ability isn't stable, he can absorb abilites but has to kill for it and will develope an uncontrolable hunger for more power. Horrified by the future she saw for Sylar, Angel (and possibley Arthur depending on how true the bathtub thing is) gives him up for adoption hoping that it will change Sylar's path.

At this point Angela would probably be extremely reluctant to try for a third kid but Arthur convinces her otherwise, tells her it will be okay this time because they've perfected the formula. And so Peter is born with an ability that is similar to Sylar's minus the having to kill people thing.

Arthur wants children as special as him he thinks he's that cool. I wouldn't put it past Arthur to put a hole in her diaphragm. Sorry to be blunt.

I however think Nathan not having the gene is the luck of the genetic draw. Angela and Arthur seem to have the "lineage" and perhaps why Nathan was considered such high stock to "save the world" as the leader.