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Could anyone make out what book Arthur was reading when Peter woke up? I believe it would be a hint to Arthur's ultimate plot. Gotta love Max Cherry
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QUOTE (skeevenmac @ Oct 28 2008, 04:26 AM) 
Could anyone make out what book Arthur was reading when Peter woke up? I believe it would be a hint to Arthur's ultimate plot. Gotta love Max Cherry
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I thought I saw the name Neitsche (spelling?) across the top. But other than that I don't know.
QUOTE (Ion @ Oct 28 2008, 05:30 AM)
I thought I saw the name Neitsche (spelling?) across the top. But other than that I don't know.
If it was Nietzche then the idea of the ubermensch (super man) would make sense.
Friedrich Nietzsche.
That's depressing he's the one that coined "God is dead".
The whole super human (Ubermench) bit which the Nazi's were spouting they got from him.
If Arthur believes that load of crap then the world is deep trouble.
I had a feeling he is a Special supremacist.
Guess Arthur is the Magneto of Heroes.
That's depressing he's the one that coined "God is dead".
The whole super human (Ubermench) bit which the Nazi's were spouting they got from him.
If Arthur believes that load of crap then the world is deep trouble.
I had a feeling he is a Special supremacist.
Guess Arthur is the Magneto of Heroes.
Merged Topic: What was Arthur Reading?
Has anyone noticed what was the book Arthur Petrelli holding? It was a foreign language and I didn't catch how it read. Do you think it had any significance?
Has anyone noticed what was the book Arthur Petrelli holding? It was a foreign language and I didn't catch how it read. Do you think it had any significance?
I believe it was a book by Nietzche.
There's already a thread in this but I'll entertain it.
Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche.
A book that fundamentally oppose Judaeo-Christian morality and tradition.
Friedrich Nietzsche, a philosopher, coined the terms "God is dead" and "Ubermench" or superman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermens...ensch_as_a_goal
Oh yes did you know Friedrich Nietzsche was sent to the Asylum for the insane and his doctrines were made part of the Nazi philosophy?
If Arthur believes this crap then he's a Special supremacist. With the formula he's not going to wait for nature to run its course. He'll accelerate human evolution.
Yeah he's Magneto of Heroes with his Brotherhood of Mutants.
Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche.
A book that fundamentally oppose Judaeo-Christian morality and tradition.
Friedrich Nietzsche, a philosopher, coined the terms "God is dead" and "Ubermench" or superman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermens...ensch_as_a_goal
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Übermensch as a goal
Zarathustra first announces the Übermensch as a goal humanity can set for itself. All human life would be given meaning by how it advanced a new generation of human beings. The aspiration of a woman would be to give birth to an Übermensch, for example; her relationships with men would be judged by this standard.[4]
This aspect of the Übermensch has reminded some of Charles Darwin and Herbert Spencer. But whereas evolution via natural selection or survival of the fittest proceeds without being intended by any member of the species, the transition from humanity to Übermensch must be willed.
Zarathustra contrasts the Übermensch with the last man of egalitarian modernity, an alternative goal which humanity might set for itself. The last man appears only in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and is presented as a condition that would render the creation of the Übermensch impossible.
Some commentators associate the Übermensch with a program of eugenics.[5] This is most pronounced when considered in the aspect of a goal that humanity sets for itself. The reduction of all psychology to physiology implies, to some, that human beings can be bred for cultural traits. This interpretation of Nietzsche's doctrine focuses more on the future of humanity than on a single cataclysmic individual. There is no consensus regarding how this aspect of the Übermensch relates to the creation of new values, and many would deny vehemently that Nietzsche would countenance a eugenics program at all.
Zarathustra first announces the Übermensch as a goal humanity can set for itself. All human life would be given meaning by how it advanced a new generation of human beings. The aspiration of a woman would be to give birth to an Übermensch, for example; her relationships with men would be judged by this standard.[4]
This aspect of the Übermensch has reminded some of Charles Darwin and Herbert Spencer. But whereas evolution via natural selection or survival of the fittest proceeds without being intended by any member of the species, the transition from humanity to Übermensch must be willed.
Zarathustra contrasts the Übermensch with the last man of egalitarian modernity, an alternative goal which humanity might set for itself. The last man appears only in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and is presented as a condition that would render the creation of the Übermensch impossible.
Some commentators associate the Übermensch with a program of eugenics.[5] This is most pronounced when considered in the aspect of a goal that humanity sets for itself. The reduction of all psychology to physiology implies, to some, that human beings can be bred for cultural traits. This interpretation of Nietzsche's doctrine focuses more on the future of humanity than on a single cataclysmic individual. There is no consensus regarding how this aspect of the Übermensch relates to the creation of new values, and many would deny vehemently that Nietzsche would countenance a eugenics program at all.
Oh yes did you know Friedrich Nietzsche was sent to the Asylum for the insane and his doctrines were made part of the Nazi philosophy?
If Arthur believes this crap then he's a Special supremacist. With the formula he's not going to wait for nature to run its course. He'll accelerate human evolution.
Yeah he's Magneto of Heroes with his Brotherhood of Mutants.
QUOTE (joel182 @ Oct 28 2008, 05:23 AM)
I believe it was a book by Nietzche.
Oh, amazing! Oh, show how I love your details!
QUOTE (RedWolf @ Oct 28 2008, 06:35 AM)
Oh yes did you know Friedrich Nietzsche was sent to the Asylum for the insane and his doctrines were made part of the Nazi philosophy?
Anyone who takes time to read Nietzsche will know that his thougth is, in fact, quite opposed to the kind of society the nazi had in mind. It is true that the nazi chose some out-of-context quotes from his books to imply that their ideas had a philosophical basis.
Peter is an Übermensch. He is more powerful then Arthur. I meen with a lot of training and re-aquireing his powers he will be the ultimate human. Arthur, like Gabriel, wants to be the most special. Unfortunatly for them both Peter is. Why else would Arthur eliminate Peter as a threat?
QUOTE (empath2380 @ Oct 28 2008, 11:08 AM)
Arthur, like Gabriel, wants to be the most special. Unfortunatly for them both Peter is. Why else would Arthur eliminate Peter as a threat?
Basically because Max Cherry
wants to become the ubermensch. I think that is the idea behind giving everyone superpowers. Each power completely random and almost 6.5 billion different people to choose from. And I believe Peter's main ability, that the writers have seemed to have lost somewhere along the way, is his heart. With his heart and belief in doing the right thing he is much more of a leader than any other character on the show. I think think this is a good chance for Peter to find himself again.
Yep, it's Thus Spake Zarathustra. God is dead, and the superman is nigh!
Wow! I meant to ask what he was reading but forgot. How fitting! Extremely cool.
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Oct 28 2008, 09:31 PM)
Wow! I meant to ask what he was reading but forgot. How fitting! Extremely cool.
It was also given as trivia in the Insider's Interactive SMS deal for this ep, which I typed up (even though, after seein' the book - I had to take care of stuff and didn't get to see the rest of the episode...).
Thanks - I'm only now starting to dig my way through the recent replies 
The quote "god´s dead" was never meant wordly but metaphoric. It meant that religion/the catholic church is dead - or their power is gone - due to the enlightment.
The Übermensch theory is also often misunderstood, mostly because it´s taken totally out of context. It´s not meant to bred a race of Übermenschen but that everybody has the chance to become one. It´s a state of mind and nothing biological. Funny thing is that the guy in "Thus spoke Zarathustra" who reached the Übermensch-"level" never was really one because he had so much compassion for humanity that he wanted to tell it about this. Read Nietzsche and take your time studying his work. That man was a genius. It´s a while since I did that but I was very fascinated by it. Great read too.
The Übermensch theory is also often misunderstood, mostly because it´s taken totally out of context. It´s not meant to bred a race of Übermenschen but that everybody has the chance to become one. It´s a state of mind and nothing biological. Funny thing is that the guy in "Thus spoke Zarathustra" who reached the Übermensch-"level" never was really one because he had so much compassion for humanity that he wanted to tell it about this. Read Nietzsche and take your time studying his work. That man was a genius. It´s a while since I did that but I was very fascinated by it. Great read too.
So, the first season was Alan Moore-esque. Season 2 was filler. Season 3 is Nietzsche. What is next season? Joseph Campbell? Frank Miller? Dr Suess? 
QUOTE (tokhan @ Oct 28 2008, 06:04 PM)
The quote "god´s dead" was never meant wordly but metaphoric. It meant that religion/the catholic church is dead - or their power is gone - due to the enlightment.
The Übermensch theory is also often misunderstood, mostly because it´s taken totally out of context. It´s not meant to bred a race of Übermenschen but that everybody has the chance to become one. It´s a state of mind and nothing biological. Funny thing is that the guy in "Thus spoke Zarathustra" who reached the Übermensch-"level" never was really one because he had so much compassion for humanity that he wanted to tell it about this. Read Nietzsche and take your time studying his work. That man was a genius. It´s a while since I did that but I was very fascinated by it. Great read too.
The Übermensch theory is also often misunderstood, mostly because it´s taken totally out of context. It´s not meant to bred a race of Übermenschen but that everybody has the chance to become one. It´s a state of mind and nothing biological. Funny thing is that the guy in "Thus spoke Zarathustra" who reached the Übermensch-"level" never was really one because he had so much compassion for humanity that he wanted to tell it about this. Read Nietzsche and take your time studying his work. That man was a genius. It´s a while since I did that but I was very fascinated by it. Great read too.
Side note:
Have you ever read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?
Although not as prfoundly inspiring as the Nietzsche i still found it very interesting and he does connect with Nietzsche philosophy.
give it a read.
QUOTE (malek @ Oct 28 2008, 03:44 PM)
Side note:
Have you ever read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?
Although not as prfoundly inspiring as the Nietzsche i still found it very interesting and he does connect with Nietzsche philosophy.
give it a read.
Have you ever read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?
Although not as prfoundly inspiring as the Nietzsche i still found it very interesting and he does connect with Nietzsche philosophy.
give it a read.
Thanks for the heads up.
Hi Guys, just a quickie but did you all spot the book that artur was reading? The author was Nietzsche....do a bit of reading about his works it fits quite nicely with the story line.
QUOTE (malek @ Oct 29 2008, 12:44 AM)
Side note:
Have you ever read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?
Although not as prfoundly inspiring as the Nietzsche i still found it very interesting and he does connect with Nietzsche philosophy.
give it a read.
Have you ever read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?
Although not as prfoundly inspiring as the Nietzsche i still found it very interesting and he does connect with Nietzsche philosophy.
give it a read.
Nope, not now but will look it up sounds interesting - at least what is there at wikipedia, he has studied a little bit Platon as well it seems. Hm, have abour 30 books in my list that I´d like to read over the next year but it will fit in somewhere. Thanks for the tip.
edit: ah, forgot. How is it written? Good or hard to read? You know beeing from Germany that may pose a problem with books like this.
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