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enovak
I wouldn't put it past Arthur to have Maury show an illusion of his own death at his hands to get Daphne in line. To show that they mean business.
LowerTheBar
I had a similar thought during the episode. There were some phrases juxtaposed when Matt and Daphne talking that made me go "wait a second..." I can't remember exactly what they were saying but one of them mentioned something about Maury being dead, then the other immediately said something about creating illusions.

This theory would make total sense, and I have to say I really want to see more of Maury.
enovak
QUOTE (LowerTheBar @ Oct 28 2008, 12:21 PM) *
I had a similar thought during the episode. There were some phrases juxtaposed when Matt and Daphne talking that made me go "wait a second..." I can't remember exactly what they were saying but one of them mentioned something about Maury being dead, then the other immediately said something about creating illusions.

This theory would make total sense, and I have to say I really want to see more of Maury.


Plus unless Arthur already has a similar power, Maury would be too much of an advantage to kill. And it seemed to rushed.

"I won't let you kill my son!"

BAM

Dead Maury..

Too quick and easy.
Danxcore
Good points
I also think theY need the linderman illusion still
Unless Arthur can do it
Sazor
QUOTE (Danxcore @ Oct 28 2008, 10:05 AM) *
Good points
I also think theY need the linderman illusion still
Unless Arthur can do it


Obviously Arthur can still do it being that he absorbed every power peter has including his mimicry..

Arthur has almost every power displayed in the show.
Visitor27
QUOTE (Danxcore @ Oct 28 2008, 09:05 AM) *
Good points
I also think theY need the linderman illusion still
Unless Arthur can do it


Arthur can do it, but Nathan looks to be finding out about Daddy really soon. I wish it was an allusion and I'm surprised Maury stood up to him to forcefully after being so scared of him - even I was like "Oh, man dumb Maury" but Arthur doesnt' need him anymore.

I loved how he was like "I said I was gonna kill your son Parkman, you have a problem with that." You getting out of line, ensign!
enovak
QUOTE (Sazor @ Oct 28 2008, 01:10 PM) *
Obviously Arthur can still do it being that he absorbed every power peter has including his mimicry..

Arthur has almost every power displayed in the show.



I actually forgot he would have absorbed Peter's empathy. So now he can take powers or rob powers. This also means he got all of Sylar's powers as well as Knox, Daphne and the flame guy.
AcesX
would it be out of this world to say that arthur already was an empath? didn't that invisible guy say he had run into an empath before (when he met peter?)

and to stay on topic - i don't want to believe maury is dead, because he makes a good villain, but you never know with this show...
Visitor27
QUOTE (AcesX @ Oct 28 2008, 10:26 AM) *
would it be out of this world to say that arthur already was an empath? didn't that invisible guy say he had run into an empath before (when he met peter?)

and to stay on topic - i don't want to believe maury is dead, because he makes a good villain, but you never know with this show...


Peter = Empath
Arthur = Parasite

It think they are telling us that he base of a power may be hereditary, but how it manifests depends on personality and environment.
59b
Apparently Arthur can now take powers passively as an empath (via Peter's powers), or as a parisite using his original method.

In any case, I'm sorry to see Maury gone. He was a great character. His scenes last season with Matt were a definite highlight of that season. They still could have done a lot more exploring with that father/son relationship. The writers are often too quick to kill off many of the more interesting characters, while other less interesting ones (e.g. West, Maya) just get written off and go off quietly into the night.
lordDJ
I'm pretty sure I heard his neck crack.
enovak
QUOTE (lordDJ @ Oct 28 2008, 02:21 PM) *
I'm pretty sure I heard his neck crack.


If it was all an illusion by Maury to fool Daphne - then it would have looked and sounded completey real.
devraealur
Maury always struck me as a recluse. To see him all suited up is very strange. I wouldn't be surprised if sometimes Maury isn't really there and that Arthur didn't know it. Though he has Maury's power, Maury had 50 years of use over him and I am sure he is more skilled at it.
EvolutionisNear
QUOTE (enovak @ Oct 28 2008, 08:08 AM) *
I wouldn't put it past Arthur to have Maury show an illusion of his own death at his hands to get Daphne in line. To show that they mean business.


I think he is dead! But you never know he may come back just like linderman did in away you wouldn't expect
rev_otter
QUOTE (EvolutionisNear @ Oct 28 2008, 03:57 PM) *
I think he is dead! But you never know he may come back just like linderman did in away you wouldn't expect



I don't think Arthur can use the ability with the skill of someone who has been using it for so long, if he just wanted to use the ability just grab Maury and drain him. He needs Maury as a henchman, so I think it may have been a trick.
Citizen
*sigh* The bulk of Heroes theories consist of somebody not being dead after dying.

And I believe he's dead, seeing as he was questioning Arthur's orders.
Wanderlust
But really, even if Arthur sucked up Maury's abilities...
WAIT.
MAYBE ARTHUR WAS THE ONE CREATING THE ILLUSION OF HIM KILLING MAURY.
To put Daphne "in line".
Yeah. Yeaaah.
And Maury was off in a motel chomping on popcorn and watching American Beauty.

xD
flyboynathan
QUOTE (Citizen @ Oct 28 2008, 02:16 PM) *
And I believe he's dead, seeing as he was questioning Arthur's orders.

I think so too. Maury was talking back, and getting in Arthur's face, and Maury was genuinely concerned for the life of his son as a real father would. These are demonstrations of how evil these people are. Knox killed the German. Arthur killed Maury. Accept it.

Not to say I'm against the theory. But I just want the dead too stay dead, no matter how cool they are. People are grasping at straws to bring Adam, who turned into dust, back. Really?
Citizen
It sucks, but I'm glad they're finally killing off more popular characters. I'm gonna miss old Adam, but I don't want him back. Same with Maury.
Synch
Maury's dead. There was no reason to keep the character around.
spiderfrommars
QUOTE (Citizen @ Oct 28 2008, 05:16 PM) *
*sigh* The bulk of Heroes theories consist of somebody not being dead after dying.

And I believe he's dead, seeing as he was questioning Arthur's orders.


Thank you for this comment. First there's complaints that people on the show never stay dead and that they never should have introduced healer's blood.

Then there's uproaring complaints when a character actually dies. Seriously, make up your mind. I think I posted a similar opinion in the Adam thread. It sucks that both of them are dead, but at this point, i would much prefer it if people started actually dying too if the writers have this dumb quota of like one fake death an episode.
BoogaFrito
QUOTE (enovak @ Oct 28 2008, 10:08 AM) *
I wouldn't put it past Arthur to have Maury show an illusion of his own death at his hands to get Daphne in line. To show that they mean business.
Also, Matt mentioned how odd it was that Maury seemed concerned about him. Could that have been a hint?

Though I'm not sure they would use the same "faked death" thing twice in the same episode...
Visitor27
QUOTE (BoogaFrito @ Oct 28 2008, 06:49 PM) *
Also, Matt mentioned how odd it was that Maury seemed concerned about him. Could that have been a hint?

Though I'm not sure they would use the same "faked death" thing twice in the same episode...


Yet, in the airport he looked at Matt with affection. Maury is a loose, and a jerk, and a ****** and a oil snake salesman, but somewhere in there he cared for his son. I was surprised at all that Maury wouldn't stand for it. I was surprised he went at it so forcefully, but it would see Maury is a little too trusting in people he feels he has a history with, people he feels he's helped - he's a classic lacky - which is always ironic to me since he's so powerful. Maury is obvious a man who wants to be loved, low self esteem - I think Matt is very much is fathers boy.

And with Daphne he is making he same mistake. As the title suggests "You will be what I am"
theldub
I'd assume that Maury is dead, since his picture wasn't one of the four faces on the painting in Africa.
DoctorClaude
I tend to think it was an illusion, but I wouldn't go preaching it to the choir because there's a good chance Arthur offed him just because.
enovak
I guess if Maury is really dead, we should see the end of Linderman. We've always seen Maury close to the person he's projecting Linderman too. Unless Arthur is going to leave his office and skulk around, we shouldn't see Linderman anymore. If we do - then there is more to Linderman then we thought.
Citizen
Malcolm McDowell signed up for 5 episodes, and seeing as episode 8 will feature him (really Linderman, not Maury's), I'd say this is the end of his run.
DaFreak27
Maury is dead. NO Doubt. He tried to get tough with arthur in front of arthurs goons and arthur laid down the law you dont get such powerful people to listen to you if you dont show them youll crack the whip or in this case neck. Honestly maury didnt expect arthur to pull that stunt which is why he is dead now. Arthur looks out for number one and maury would have been a pain in the butt.
Gilgamesh
I assume Maury trapped Angela in her own mind with the illusion that it was Arthur.

If this is true, Angela should be free if Maury is dead, just like Molly being freed when Maury was knocked out.
thetraveller
I just watched the episode again and I noticed that when Flint walks in to talk to Arthur, he says "villain's sealed up tight". Does that mean he's put Maury in a body bag? If so, I suppose he is really dead!
MagnificoG
QUOTE (thetraveller @ Nov 7 2008, 03:14 PM) *
I just watched the episode again and I noticed that when Flint walks in to talk to Arthur, he says "villain's sealed up tight". Does that mean he's put Maury in a body bag? If so, I suppose he is really dead!

he said "building", referring to the attempt to recapture Peter. I too think Maury is dead, the scene was meant to show the ruthlessness of Arthur. "Thank you, Maury, for all your sacrifice." Just after he breaks the guy's neck with Telekinesis... That's a villian.
roxyquicksilver1
QUOTE (enovak @ Oct 28 2008, 11:08 AM) *
I wouldn't put it past Arthur to have Maury show an illusion of his own death at his hands to get Daphne in line. To show that they mean business.


Gah! Who knows? The whole illusions thing really makes my head hurt. wacko.gif
Saviour
He's definitely croaked it. Unless he can pull a Charles Xavier from X3 and transfer his consciousness into another body...but that would just be dumb.
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