The dream at the beginning of the episode can most likely be explained away as not him using Angela's power since nothing really predicted anything that was obvious.

But, I cannot let go that Peter got cuffs OFF his arm, and removed the railing to that hospital bed he was strapped to.

The obvious rebuttal is that by removing the railing the handcuffs slipped off. Problem is, the cuffs weren't connected at a point on the railing where that would have made a difference. Even if they were (and they werent) how did Peter remove them from his arm? Best case scenerio: if it happened that way, and Arthur came in and ripped it "out of his hands" Peter would have went flying to as he shouldve still been connected to it. Notice though, DVRers, that there was nothing but a watch on his arm, and the cuffs were not on the railing.

Can't get my brain around that one though I am willing to concede the dream was just a dream. Something tells me it wasnt, though.

I'm still thinking maybe Arthur missed the intuitive aptitude.. He knew how to get out of cuffs--either he still has IA or it was something he learned from Elle.
Also he was playing things smart(er.. for him) and successfully eluded capture from a number of specials (until he went back for Sylar).

Arthur set it up. Made it so it was easy to get out of the cuffs because he wanted Peter to "escape" and think he'd done it all on his own. Arthur didn't expect Peter to come back for Sylar though, so he had to slow down his fall to save his life.

Just one more theory. I think the bigger question is, why did Peter wait to ambush Arthur 20 ft from the door? Still the same ol', dumb Peter. lol

I agree, lol. I wouldve been a bit closer to the door.

Well, I guess there's a few theories I have that havent been proven wrong. . .yet: Peter still has IA, Arthur's core app is IA (he just uses an absorb technique as opposed to Sylar's rip-it-out-by-force technique), Gabriel is the 4th villain in the Usutu painting but is a "sleeper" for the good guys, Mohinder = Uluru, and Maya is the "light" Kaito spoke of.

Is it Monday yet?

Lol. That ought to be one of those motivational poster things-- "Ambush: You're doing it wrong!"

The dream at the beginning i definitely figured out was just a dream that acted as an extension to the "previously on"

I wondered about the cuffs myself... the best explanation i can think is either the above arthur played him to make him think he escaped on his own merrit, sylar helped him, or he can pick a mean lock.

1: IA isn't that different. Arthur has it now- which means Peter doesn't.
2: Arthur is a confirmed power thief. He didn't have IA until he stole it.
3: That one I agree with.
4: Uluru. Will. Never. Happen. Confirmed by Tim Kring. Mohinder is not and will never become this fictional creature.
5: Maya is obviously not the light. She's powerless and, most probably, out of the show.

Sorry but that Tim Kring quote was from a long ****** time ago, and to be honest with the SFX we see in the show now and with the way things seem to keep going in this season, whose to say we cant EVER see Uluru?

I mean how cool would it be in the final season? Something that was in the VERY first episode, having a huge role in the final episode of the series.

You cant say never about Uluru, although I agree Mohinder is NOT Uluru. He looks like a cockroach.


And as far as Peter having powers.. I dont think Arthur just seemed to "miss" Ineptitive Aptitude while he was sucking the powers out of him. I doubt Arthurs power works that way.. It probably just gets all of it and your done.

But whose to say that the formula that Mohinder is working on cant give him powers back? Or maybe he was one of the people who were genetically born this way.. So you cant really take it all away from him?

Uluru is part of the army Ned is gathering. He is - next to Christopher and Barney - one of his admirals.

Adam Monroe was born with his power (no genetic therapy 400 years ago) and we all saw how that turned out. That theory is definitely out.

I've been hoping that for one season instead of a formula or virus going to kill the world it's something along the lines of they have to do something to prevent Ulura from rising and destroying everything by a certain time. At least it would be different and tie into season one.

I begin to wonder if the IA works on a "different frequency" than the other powers. They detected nothing in Sylar at Primatech before he used IA to gain TK. (At least that is what they said.) Perhaps the inability to lose that power is why fPeter told pPeter that he had to have it.

I think the biggest concern with having/not having uluru on the show is the sheer cost it would take to put him there. Chances are about 99.999999 percent he would be cgi, and being a network tv show, that means that the funding for such special effect is less than ideal for a gigantic cgi monster.

Then again, torchwood had a gigantic cgi monster that worked fine, but at the same time, i feel like torchwood and doctor who both get away with more cgi creatures as it's more in the style of the show. (I don't think the beast was as cgi in doctor who, but it's been a while since i've seen that ep.)

But ayways, regardless of the possibility of uluru being on the show, mo is not uluru.

And that's a good point on the non-detectability of IA, but I still don't think pete still has it. I get the feeling that Arthur's power works on a DNA genetic level that's far more precise than anything we have the technology to see. I'd be more on boat with the idea that fPeter told pPeter to get IA to give arthur the hunger, but at the same time I feel like arthur would be less vulnerable to the hunger.

As for the scar, incidents with arthur explain it's presence in the fPeter we saw here, but I'm not as sure as the one in FYG... then again, did we ever see FYG peter heal? And that event would explain how peter didn't survive the shanti virus in season 2.

Off topic: but I thought Peter was on the list of the dead because he was listed as legally dead since the "car crash" at the end of S1. Angela explained Nathan's injuries by saying that he was driving with Peter who suicidally crashed the car.

I didn't think the dream sequence was a power, just painful memories jarring Peter awake. It did bother me that he got out of cuffs as a normal guy, but couldn't as a nuclear superman over the course of several days in a shipping container. The fall was confusing, it certainly seems like Gabriel saved him, but I can't get over the fact Peter should have absorbed Arthur's ability before it was used on him, and that should have provided some protection. Like, say, reduce his powers to 1% instead of total removal, which slowly come back over time. My most compelling reason for this is why would they go through so much about him getting IA just to lose it so quickly? A Peter with all of his gifts at minimal levels could explain the handcuffs and surviving a fall, but still not able to heal at a rate quick enough to be visible. On the other hand, I've wanted him powered down for so long, I much prefer him being stripped of everything so he can go back to being likable again. For the first 2/3 of S1 he was one of my 3 favorite characters..

I really would like to see how he got out of those handcuffs. I'm sure Peter's abilities are 100% gone or he would have mentioned it.

Someone suggested he learned how to get out of handcuffs from Elle- I kinda like that idea lol (oh wow, I just noticed how that sounded like a sexual innuendo. That was really not what I was going for.) Seriously, it could just have been her way of being like "oh, I'm such a BA company women look nat all the things I can do."

1. What have you seen or heard which confirms that Arthur has IA and Peter no longer does? I was under the impression the ability was given, not taken. Not to mention I'm convnced Peter used AT LEAST one app in this episode. And I dont mean survivng the fall from the window. There's more to Arthur's app than we know, bet on that.

2. All of the Petrelli guys (sub nathan) are power thieves, , ,specifically Gabe and Arthur. Where do I get my theory of Arthur having IA but it looking so different on screen? I figure, Gabe always had it. People seem to forget he only used TK to manifest the app AFTER he stole TK from someone else. Perhaps (and we really have no way of knowing at this point) Arthur always had it, but manifests it differently due to him stealing and absorb app which allows him to manifest IA that way. Or I could be way off. A lot supports this: Arthur hasnt attempted and doesnt appear to want Gabe's app. Arthur waited for him "for a long time". IA apparently cannot be taken, and can only be granted unless youre born with it. Perhaps he cannot steal it from someone else. Perhaps he doesnt even need to. Why doesnt he have the hunger if this is true? Hes in his sixties, and fGabe conquered the hunger before thirty. Its possible, and there is nothing to disprove it atm other than speculation.


*shrugs*



3. I'm glad someone does. People keep telling me its Mohinder. hah.

4. It'd be cool, and I admit its my most out-there theory. I imagine you're correct as it were.

5. My theory on Maya is that she has the light that swallows the dark. The fact that she originally manifested her app as dark doesnt change the fact she can cancel it, and draw it out of others. Not to mention all of this "maya will change history" and "the light to fight the darkness" commented throughout the off season and by Kaito in his video to Hiro. Maybe wrong, but there's no proof one way or the other at this point. I, however, despise her character.

exactly my point

the shanti virus nixes powers before death. peter could have had claire x 10000000 and it wouldnt have mattered.

But I thought adam always seemed to imply that the healers would survive the outbreak...

Oh well, season 2's done with anyways (thankfully)

Brilliant Ingtar! I love this theory. It would mean Peter could get many of his old powers back from taking a quick glance at Gabriel's brain- or all of them plus more, once Arthur's dead. (Have visions of Gabriel and Peter engaging in some brotherly bonding by picking apart Daddy's brain together- just two Petrellis putting the fun in disfunctional.)

lol, I could see that... (and then Claire and Nathan walks in on them... )

now that you mention it, THATS a plothole!

Or maybe Adam was just being stupid and / or suicidal... He had trouble dying the conventional ways...

Or that was Adam being cocky again and thinking nothing could defeat him. Kind of ironic because he wanted to release the virus like God's flood: just destroy all of humanity and start fresh, but he didn't realize he would be one of the things god found expendable.

The Shanti virus would nix a person's powers and cause death if the person contracted the virus, had no immunity, and didn't become a carrier. Who knows what Claire's immune system would do to the virus?