It saved Noah's life...gave sylar back his abilities (or atleast IA & TK)..why didn't she offer some to Elle..a little syringe of her blood would have probably fixed her right up

Same with Peter, the guy is her uncle and just fell 7 stories (granted he didn't hit full force due to Sylar saving him), but still, he was a bloody cut up mess..cut the wrists, poor some blood on his wounds and BAM..issue resolved

The only thing that bugs me about this show is People do not use what they have often enough

I am glad we saw Peter use his flying ability in a fight (the Raiden move on Sylar)...I hope we see Nathan doing some of that too.....well ok, I drifted off the subject...so why the heck doesn't Claire ever use her blood

Maybe they are not the same sanguine group? lol

But, seriously, if Claire's blood could heal this kind of issue with powers, Claire wouldn't had any issue, as she already have her own blood in her! At best, Elle would have suffered least afterward, but she would still be shocked!

As for Peter, well, yeah, they could. But he isn't about to die or anything, and she has no cut on herself, nor a dagger or anything, to give Peter any blood... Yeah, ok, there is a bunch of glass surrounding her, but I guess at this situation she just didn't thought about it!

Moreover, "they must not rely too much on their abilities, as they forget to use their brain", to quite African Isaac!

What would have been point of her using her blood on him? It wasn't like he was dead or had brokens bones or anything, he just had a few scratches on his face.

Yes, I think some cuts and busing isn't Claire's idea of blood using - I think if he were dying she's be more likely to think of it. I do wish they would put it out there that maybe it only works once a person, like once you use Claire's blood you need to find another immortal cause her's won't work on you anymore. It would mean saving the blood for the worse of circumstances would just be understood.

I believe Claire doesn't have any issues to begin with. Her not feeling pain is an evolution of her ability and a very useful one. Adam did not feel pain either, we've seen him get stabbed right through the gut with a sword back in his samurai days and he just smiled (if you feel pain, you atleast grunt when getting a Katana blade right though the gut!)

Claire's ability is evolving like Adam's has

Well, this bring us back to the Theory part, where I already told you why I think she is "broken", to bring back her wording. I saw you saw it, so I think you know what I mean, right?

Weither you call it being broken or being an evolution, the issue is the same: Both for Elle and for Claire, their power manifests in a way that is, for them, undesirable. This couldn't be solved by the Blood of the Immortal Cheerleader!

I don't think that claire's blood would have been able to help elle... elle's problem with her powers is psychological, not physical. She kind of snapped mentally and lost control of her powers.

That's how I saw it. Her father is dead and she's never been out on her own before.

she didnt have any needles on hand, thats why.

Yeah, I'm with HChris here.

When did you see her anywhere near medical supplies? They can't just drink her blood and make it all right.

Exactly. She couldn't just stab her palm and smear it on Peter's cuts, there has to be an infusion.

She tried to get to Nathan in the 1st episode to inject him when he got shot, so it's not like it isn't on her mind in a desperate crisis.

Yeah, I suspect that doing a "blood brother" pact wouldn't be enough to do anything beneficial.

Well, Peter's a nurse. He'd probably have been able to get the necessary equipment somehow and would have known how to do it.

The reason why they didn't is out-of-story - they're not using the magic blood any more, period

I agree it wouldn't have helped Elle. The way I saw it, last episode saw two of Sylar's victims joining forces. Both were "damaged" by him.

Looks like to me SOP for Triage first assess the damages, stick a bandaid of parts that are leaking. Going to a hospital with those kind of wounds would draw attention, Peter was just thrown out of one place that might understand what is going on, and Claire doesn't trust the Company enough to run in and yell drain my blood Peter needs a transfusion. The Heroes are slowly learning they can't trust anybody even other Heroes. Seems to me that we are building up to the future we saw where Specials are hunted.

To save time? She was there nursing his wounds. Bloodshot, wounds gone, less to do. Straight back in the game!

It would had been hilarious though to run into a drugstore screaming "I NEED A NEEDLE FAST!!".

As about the healing of sylar: it was a mixture of mohinders antibodies with claires blood that healed his virus and not claires blood alone.

I think elle is broken because of her short circuit with sylar.

As for Clair she is not broken and it is just her power evolving like other posters have said. What is broken in Clair is she misses the feeling of pain and her Psyche cant handle it, basically she is a teenager trying to find herself lol.

They didn't do that because that's a plotline from season 2.

Season 2 is dead to the writers.

You're joking, right? Powers not working properly is hardly an injury.

Claire's blood heals it doesn't provide therapy.

Also, the whole reason Claire's blood healed people's abilities in the 2nd season was due to the fact that the affected was sick with the Shanti Virus. I doubt Elle contracted that for two reasons:

1. 2nd season is dead.
2. It only happened after Sylar cut open her dome

I agree with your second reason, not your first. If S2 was "dead" so many things that have happened this season- including, oh I don't know, the premiere- never would've happened.

However, the primary and extremely obvious, and therefore most easily missed, reason why it's obvious that Elle didn't contract the Shanti Virus is as follows:

She still has access to her ability. It's out of control, but still present. Shanti removes access.

Haha I'm kidding, but not a whole lot of plot-wise importance happened last season that is still affecting us this season.



And I guess you could argue this endlessly back and forth. I'm just saying, I don't want to be considered an S3 noob, as I've always followed this series loyally.



They say Sylar's hunger was 'unnaturally' induced, so maybe Elle gave him it. If that's the case, it'd make sense (revenge wise) if he ended up giving her something too: The inability to control herself.

And by "they" you mean...who?

Spoilers/Previews have said this, if my mind recalls correctly.



Something to the effect of:


"Sylar's hunger was artificially induced and can be controlled, and his IA can be used like Peter's ability



Sorry for not putting a spoiler tag in the original post.

BTW, for those of you with any doubts, its true that S2 is more than dead to the writers. It is like the middle child that got cut short by the writer's strike. The use of MAGIC BLOOD is too slippery a slope for the writers to allow it to continue onward. It basically means that anyone with access to someone who can regenerate is also immortal. (See, Noah Bennett, Season 2, EP.8).

It would be a different story if S2 had been completed all through episode 22 or 24, but it was not, thus meaning the writers are scrapping any effect it could have on the Heroes plotline as a whole.

Notice how both awesome characters Adam Monroe and Maury Parkman are dead, they are basically starting cleaning house with those 2. Not to mention not so awesome character Bob also is dead. Trust me, they're trying to throw S2 behind them and start fresh as if from Season 1's Finale.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.


Anywhoo, this thread reminds me yet again how every character on Heroes is an honest to god mentally handicapped person. Claire by now should have a stock of medical supplies (needles, bags, tubes etc; ). Some at her home, in bulk, some in whichever car she plans to travel in, one transfusion kit in her bag or purse. That's just simple ****ing common sense. I know, and all of you know, that if any of US had this power, that's exactly the type of preparation we would do. (Yes, I know that Claire can resurrect people who have been dead for like 24 hours - but waking up somebody much sooner could turn the tide in many battles).

Of course, Claire will do none of these things because 1) Every character on Heroes is a mental midget because the writers can't handle writing smart characters and 2) The writers think ignoring Season 2 completely will somehow save the show, instead of introduce even more continuity problems.

Ding ding ding, we have another narcissist who thinks his way is the only intelligent way!

First thing, I personnally wouldn't carry any transfusion kit with me wherever I go (if I had her power, that is), because, I'm not so pessimist to think that wherever I'll go people will be close to death.

Secondly, let me ask you this: Do you carry with you wherever you go a First-Aid Kit? You don't need her power to use that! It's ****ing common sense, to take back you're expression! And just like her, you could save life, so why almost no one does that?

Third point, transfusion kits, you don't find that in a supermarket. Heck, I'm not even sure there is such thing in a First-Aid Kit (but I can be corrected on this one: again, I don't carry a First-Aid Kit wherever I go, like Clay suggested we do)! You either have to be 1- A medical staff member, 2- A scientist, mostly in biology or 3- a junkie who got his material on black market. Claire is neither of those, probably don't know where's the black market is, and wouldn't go there even if she knew, as it's OOC for her!

ROFLOL! So you start off with an insult. Let's see where your "argument" goes from there...



Ohh, I see. Because even anticipating that people near you could be hurt, you know when you you and your friends keep running into gun toting maniacs, people who throw flames, radiation, lightning bolts, people who move things with their minds... when that happens all the time... IT IS SOMEHOW PESSIMISTIC TO ASSUME THAT PEOPLE YOU CARE ABOUT WOULD BE SEVERELY INJURED!? That's your position? LOL! Come on now. There is being prepared and there is being paranoid. Buying a year's worth of SPAM in 1999 in preparation for the Y2K bug is the latter. Stocking up on some basic blood transfusion supplies when fighting happens all around you is the former.



1) I do have basic first aid in my home, in my car, and with me in a bag on long trips.
2) Basic first aid kits don't save lives. Band-aids and gauze and antibiotic ointment can only do so much.
3) If I had a magic power where I could save lives quickly and easily, and all I needed was a pound or so of plastic and a couple of tiny needles, you better believe I would carry that kind of Kit around.



This is actually the worst argument of the lot. The "I, evagolden can't imagine how one could get a hold of this stuff, so therefore it is not plausible." Eva, somehow, in her mind, seems to think that 'scientists' and 'medical staff' are the only ones who have access to the products I am speaking of. And of course, they aren't the only ones. There is no law banning people from buying them. Claire may be a stupid dunderhead (like most Heroes characters) but I bet she has heard of Google. I bet she knows how to read and even how to type. I bet she knows what a Credit Card is. I bet she could have figured out where to get the supplies.

So evagolden, you are wrong on all counts. It isn't narcissist or pessimist to recognize that violence/injury has frequently occurred and will most likely occur again. It IS smart to prepare a quick and easy method to fix injured comrades.

Hmm, not so sure that's on the 'prepared' side of the prepared/paranoid line. But you can't be faulted for trying!
His mind.

Why would Claire take a first aid kit along with her when she's just going to a company to find out what's wrong with her? She didn't expect to even find Peter there.

And OP, you deserve an award for thinking up that one about Claire's blood helping Elle with her psychological problems. Never would have thought about it.

An ordinary, reasonable person would probably not carry around a first aid kit on their person 24-7.

I have one in my car and in my house since I'm a little accident prone (since I've been in my apt., I've stepped on nails, had the beveled end of my hammer go about a half inch into my heel when I stepped on it, broke one of my toes a few weeks ago, burned myself a few times on the stove, etc.) but even I'm not that extreme!

Maybe I should start carrying around a first aid kit!

My point exactly, you know? My problem with Clay's argument is not that it would be wiser or not for her to have medical kit (I won't say First-Aid Kit because, here, the situation is a little bit different), with her ability or not. My problem is that he seems to think that, because she doesn't (like most of us apparently), she's stupid! That people (even fictionnal) who don't think like him are stupid! That's my issue with the guy.

There's a problem, though.

If Claire doesn't carry around a first aid kit, people like CAR will flip a s**t.

If Claire does carry around a first aid kit, people would whine because she couldn't have known someone would be hurt.

:/

Yeah, there is always complaint about anyone. Except those who knows that no one acts the same way. CAR would bring transfusion kits (not First-Aid Kit, but let's not complaint about wording now! lol), I wouldn't, and Claire doesn't! Is it the most wise thing? Maybe not! But it's NORMAL, not moron.

But aren't we're getting off subject right now? Thanks CAR for getting people changing the subject of a conversation!

So, if I remember correctly (I have a bad memory, so...), we were talking about how comes Claire can't heal Elle with her blood. Well, many pointed it out, and I guess it's accepted now, that Elle is not hurt or near-death or anything, it's just that her ability is messed-up for some reason (many assume it's 'cause of Sylar. I personnally think her ability evolved in a really bad way. Like, she's getting stronger, but can't control this strenght. But I may be wrong here). Anyway, Claire's blood wouldn't solve this, since her ability, somehow, evolved in an undesireable way and, if she could heal ''disfonctions'' in abilities with her blood, hers would already be O.K. by now.

Gotta love unchecked ego. "My way is the only way and anyone who disagrees is obviously an idiot."

Nobody in their right mind carries around a blood transfusion kit 24/7. Not that it matters, since Claire's blood would be worthless in this situation.

I thought the whole over-active ability thing was due to the stress of her Dad being killed, and then she was turned away from the company without a place to live. The whole 'emotions affect abilities' theme has been reasonably prominent since the show began.

Exactly.

Hiro lost Charlie, he lost control.

Elle lost her father, she lost control.

No rocket science here.

Claire carrying a first aid kit with her all the time is the difference between a good story and an RPG.

In an RPG, the players sooner or later have the idea to carry around a 10-litre-waterbottle strapped to their backs, containing fifty healing potions, with a straw leading from the top of the bottle straight into their mouths so they need only sip while fighting the demon lord.

A good story just doesn't work that way.

Agreed. But an ordinary, reasonable person, WITH CLAIRE'S ABILITY AND WITH CLAIRE'S EXPERIENCES should carry a transfusion kit.

Come on guys. If you had Claire's power. And you found yourself AND YOUR FRIENDS in terribly dangerous and terribly important battles every other day, then healing your friends as quickly as possible would be something you would be damn sure you could do.




Dur. Nobody has Claire's ability in real life. But if they did, they would.

No. If you did, you think you would.

Most people would not. (As has been made abundantly clear in this thread.)

Not everybody with a car even carries jumper cables. And that's pure fact. Thus, not everybody would carry a transfusion kit "on the off chance" that it ends up being needed.

And, for the record, people around Claire aren't always getting hurt/killed. It happens maybe twice a season around her, so your base premise doesn't even hold up.

Now, if you really want to continue this discussion, either go somewhere that it's being discussed or create a thread for it. This thread is not about this topic, it's about Claire using her blood to heal Elle.

Wow. So reasonable preparation is something beyond your comprehension? If you were a soldier in a war, you'd keep guns and bullets around. If you were a super-medic, you would keep some ****ing supplies around. It is just that simple.

PS - Why do people continue to use 'first aid kit'? We aren't talking about band-aids here.

That's the thing. Claire didn't expect to see any acquaintances at Pinehearst. What reason did she have to believe Peter would be there? Or anyone else she knows, for that matter?

I see another fail argument/example coming.

Has it? You mean to tell me, that if you were engaged in some crazy dangerous war, where TIME is often of the essence, you wouldn't want to heal your friends as quickly as possible? You would rather wait hours to perform a transfusion each time one of your friends gets ganked? Really? That's what you are telling me?

I need to rewatch the episodes. I seemed to have missed the part where Claire is fighting in a war.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Or merely a thinking problem? What does this have to do with Pinehearst? This has to do with basic preparation. Once Claire realized what her blood could do she should have put 2 and 2 together. If 12 year old Boy Scout's can "always be prepared" then Claire (who has HRG as a father) should be able to see the value of having relevant medical supplies on hand, just in case. But she doesn't, because the writers love having morons as characters...



Ah, so reading comprehension problem it is. Her friends and family are getting into MAJOR TROUBLE all of the time, which is obviously what that statement was getting it. There is no sign it will stop, in fact, this season, Claire wants to be involved in even more 'battles'. So Mr. Take Everything Too Literally, why don't you respond to the substance of my post instead of making useless comments.



True. But a good story doesn't have omg MAGIC BLOOD - which is then kinda pushed under the rug later because the writers can't deal with all of its story consequences. Like many things on heroes, the writers think "Ah Cool!" and ignore the consequences.

She's in a war? Really? When did that start?

It isn't basic preparation, it's beyond that. (Boyscouts carry a knife and a basic firstaid kit when they're out camping. They have a couple snakebite kits while specifically in areas where snakebite is a possible threat. They don't carry snakebite kits to the zoo, even though there are venomous snakes there.)

Claire has no reason to carry a blood transfusion kit, because it rarely happens that it's needed while around her. (Seriously- how many times, in 3 seasons, has someone been legitimately injured around her? 3, total, on the outside?)

BTW, I'm done with this debate because it has no place in this thread.

Dur. Reading isn't your strong suit is it? Oh shoot, I said 'strong suit' which could confuse you, since I am not actually talking about a suit that you wear that makes you strong. Let's try this again. Synch, try to figure out the substance of what has been said. That short paragraph mentioning 'war' is obviously a restatement of what I said earlier in the thread: "Come on guys. If you had Claire's power. And you found yourself AND YOUR FRIENDS in terribly dangerous and terribly important battles every other day, then healing your friends as quickly as possible would be something you would be damn sure you could do."



Wrong. If you want to use snakes, well then in the whole world of Heroes snakebites are a possible threat. Not just when people go camping. Those damn "snakes" are everywhere. Also, in your flawed and pathetically bad analogy, any old Boy Scout can be just as effective as another - but in Claire's case, she is the only one who can quickly reverse the effects of snakes. Therefore she has a much greater reason to have a 'kit'.

That's the thing: You THINK it is basic preparation, but it isn't. It's like the exemple of the cables: Not everyone carry any in their car, even thought they seriously could need some at some point, even it's in a few months.

Yes, it would be good that she had ''First-Aid Kit'' (by the way, we use this word because it's shorter than Transfusion Materials, and thought they are different, everyone here agree that it means the same thing), just like it would be good that every car owner had booster cables in his car. 'cause it would be helpful, both case. That, we agree on, I'm even pretty sure Synch wouldn't disagree that Claire could have good use of a First-Aid Kit with her!

The point on which there is a disagreement, is when you think it is stupid that she doesn't. Do you think it is stupid that many don't have booster cables in their car, even if they could really be useful sometimes?

- If you do, it proves my point that you think everyone who don't think like you is stupid;
- If you don't, you contradict yourself by saying that being un-prepared is stupid and not stupid at the same time.

She just didn't gived any thought about it, and it's perfectly normal! Like I pointed it out, as some did, too, I wouldn't do so, either. It would be wise of me if I did, I agree, but I don't consider myself, or anyone, stupid because I (or they) wouldn't bring any First-Aid Kit even if this could save life when added to a special ability I had. It's just normal not to give any thought about it. Maybe you would, and we thank God you would (except you don't have her ability... too bad), but (and I repeat: This is the problem) you think everyone else would, too, or that they would be idiots not too! And this is where you are wrong!