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BluEyedGrl105
...Is it just because he lurves him so much? rolleyes.gif I think not.
jbs829
Probably because he wants Peter on his side, and he would be a prime test subject like Mo said becuase is metabolism if primed for abilities

so he could perfect the formula on him

then once he has his abilities back im sure Arthur would love having him on his side

BluEyedGrl105
QUOTE (jbs829 @ Oct 30 2008, 09:24 AM) *
Probably because he wants Peter on his side, and he would be a prime test subject like Mo said becuase is metabolism if primed for abilities

so he could perfect the formula on him

then once he has his abilities back im sure Arthur would love having him on his side


But is it really that hard to find someone else with a metabolism primed for abilities? With their resources, I doubt it.

I think Arthur knows that Peter joining him is very slim:

Gabriel: You know he'll never give up right?
Arthur: I wouldn't expect anything less from a Petrelli.
GoldSeven
For test persons, Arthur can just drain any special and then have him injected.

No, I'm pretty sure that Peter will have his part to play in Arthur's eyes. Maybe it was really just bringing Nathan to him, but I bet it's more.
lordDJ
ive already worn this out in the other thread, but i imagine because peter isnt as powerless as people think.
GoldSeven
I think he is. It's this whole "You're relying too much on your powers" thing. I'd love it if they built up on that, and Peter became stronger now without his powers. Once he regains them, he'll be truly effective.
oliveFoxx
I'm curious what power he will end up with. I'm pretty sure he won't get his powers back the way they were - it just caused too much trouble for the writers. It's a rule in comic books that your good guys should always be weaker than your bad guys, in order to write exciting stories (DC, however, hasn't got that yet biggrin.gif). But to give him a totally new power would suck, because this empathy thing was a perfect match. As I've said before: I liked it how it was in the beginning of S1, when he was only able to access a power whith the rightful bearer being around. Or, alternatively, he can only keep one at a time and loses it, when he absorbs a different one.
GoldSeven
That would cause even more problems for the writers, as then, Peter would only leave the house (for anything more dangerous than going to the laundromat) accompanied by Claire. tongue.gif Unless the writers wanted legions of Peter haters accuse him of stupidity again, they would have to go to quite some lengths with the constellations they place him in, which would be a big story restraint. In season one, Peter had no time to think of this problem - as soon as he had realised how his power (supposedly) worked, Claude taught him otherwise, that his powers were independent of their original holders.

I do agree that he'll probably come out slightly neutered at the end, and I'm also wondering how they'll accomplish this.
MagnificoG
I think he just knows how easily Peter can be manipulated, and plans on restoring some ability to him once he's under the boot heel.
Dalamarx
Maybe Aurthur thinks he is Darth Petrelli...

"Take your rightful place at my side and together we shall rule the world as Father and Son(s)!"

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GoldSeven
Yes, I kept thinking that too! laugh.gif
Visitor27
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Oct 31 2008, 09:14 AM) *
Yes, I kept thinking that too! laugh.gif


He also sat with the boy while he was knocked out. I think he's not that heartless about Peter and yes will want to try and get him on his side. Also, a good test subject, but when it comes down to it his agenda is more important. I can't wait to see his next move.
PirateQueen
Am I the only one who thinks NOW would have been a good time for the amesia arc? Have him SLOOWWWLLLY rediscover who he is.
TessaBlues
Perhaps Peter has more to do with the "dark son/sun" that AfricanIssac mentioned.
ClaireRockz
QUOTE (TessaBlues @ Oct 31 2008, 01:17 PM) *
Perhaps Peter has more to do with the "dark son/sun" that AfricanIssac mentioned.



Hiro could go back in time before Author took Peter's power and teleport him away.. (just one way)
GoldSeven
No, I doubt he will. Hiro said himself he was not going back in time anymore. I'm sure he'll circumvent that vow a couple of times yet while the show lasts, but only for great catastrophes (or saving Ando).

And keep in mind that by the rules of television, you can't or simply shouldn't change something that has been truth for a while. All the times Hiro went back in time to change something that had already happened in an episode (saving Charlie and his father), it didn't work. If Hiro goes back now and makes sure Arthur doesn't take Peter's powers away, Peter's entire storyline for at least one episode is nullified. More than one, since Hiro probably won't go back to save Peter first thing next ep. That won't happen. It never truly worked on Dallas either.
DocWho
Hasn't anyone thought that Arthur might just want revenge against Angela? By turning her children, one at a time, against her would be the ultimate form of revenge for him.
ClaireRockz
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Nov 2 2008, 01:06 PM) *
No, I doubt he will. Hiro said himself he was not going back in time anymore. I'm sure he'll circumvent that vow a couple of times yet while the show lasts, but only for great catastrophes (or saving Ando).

And keep in mind that by the rules of television, you can't or simply shouldn't change something that has been truth for a while. All the times Hiro went back in time to change something that had already happened in an episode (saving Charlie and his father), it didn't work. If Hiro goes back now and makes sure Arthur doesn't take Peter's powers away, Peter's entire storyline for at least one episode is nullified. More than one, since Hiro probably won't go back to save Peter first thing next ep. That won't happen. It never truly worked on Dallas either.


I doubt it will happen that way as well. Too much confusion. Still, I am wondering how peter will regain his powers. Maybe Sylar? Don't know if that is even possible.
darksfallen
What if Arthur has the power that Peter thought he had? He can only use powers while the person is near him?

He touches and takes them, preventing the owner from using the power, and he has access to it.

Killing the owner would make the power his forever, but what happens if Peters powers return to him as he moves away from Arthur? This could be why he wants Peter back alive. It's a stretch I know.

Often times antagonists are plagued by slivers of humanity, in this case Peter is his son.

thecordler
i have a theory on this,

Peter has DNA whicih alters itself to take on abilities, which makes him the most viable test subject regarding the formula. Who better to test on then the guy who is most suited genetically to take on powers? he is important because it is his DNA that will perfect the Formula as seen in the future (remember you can buy specific powers). As the formula stands right now its unstable, and grants 1 random ability, with peter's DNA (the pure blood Kaito talked about) the formula can be perfected to give any specific power to the highest bidder.
GIBBY
QUOTE (thecordler @ Nov 6 2008, 05:24 PM) *
i have a theory on this,

Peter has DNA whicih alters itself to take on abilities, which makes him the most viable test subject regarding the formula. Who better to test on then the guy who is most suited genetically to take on powers? he is important because it is his DNA that will perfect the Formula as seen in the future (remember you can buy specific powers). As the formula stands right now its unstable, and grants 1 random ability, with peter's DNA (the pure blood Kaito talked about) the formula can be perfected to give any specific power to the highest bidder.


But Arthur mentioned that he didn't want to bring powers to the world. Also Kaito implies that the pure blood is our only hope, after it is stolen. Why would Kaito protect it, then send someone thats going to perfect the formula right too them.

But I think your spot on with the random factor of the formula right now.
thecordler
QUOTE (GIBBY @ Nov 6 2008, 01:29 PM) *
But Arthur mentioned that he didn't want to bring powers to the world. Also Kaito implies that the pure blood is our only hope, after it is stolen. Why would Kaito protect it, then send someone thats going to perfect the formula right too them.

But I think your spot on with the random factor of the formula right now.


first, if arthur didn't care about the formula, why have mohinder perfect it? he cares, and he has an agenda

second, Kaito didn't send Peter to arthur, in fact No one did, peter chose to go there to kick butt on behalf of the world.

Peter's mosaic/adaptive DNA markers + power formula = buy a power in the future as how else would you get the precision formula for powers than from studying the guy whose DNA adapts those features from other supers into his own.
Creator
QUOTE (thecordler @ Nov 6 2008, 09:41 AM) *
first, if arthur didn't care about the formula, why have mohinder perfect it? he cares, and he has an agenda

second, Kaito didn't send Peter to arthur, in fact No one did, peter chose to go there to kick butt on behalf of the world.

Peter's mosaic/adaptive DNA markers + power formula = buy a power in the future as how else would you get the precision formula for powers than from studying the guy whose DNA adapts those features from other supers into his own.


thecordler,

I enjoyed your post and appreciate your thinking on this topic. I see it a little differently and would like to share my thoughts with you.

Peter, Gabriel and Arthur have a common power trait---they are multi-powered beings, each capable of absorbing the powers of other HEB's. Arthur is (I believe) planning his ascension. He's after POWER! unlike that ever attained...the height of mankind...overman (Super-man)!

I am convinced that his path to power (his ascension) involves taking the 'shot' (the P-serum) himself. I also believe that he wants his sons at his side, especially Peter and Gabriel. And, because his power trumps theirs (as we've seen in his handling of both) or so it seems, he is confident that he can bend his little boys to his will (or "ground them!").

If I'm correct, this could be very interesting indeed. Thanks again for sharing.

Creator
Dunc
QUOTE (thecordler @ Nov 6 2008, 05:41 PM) *
first, if arthur didn't care about the formula, why have mohinder perfect it? he cares, and he has an agenda

second, Kaito didn't send Peter to arthur, in fact No one did, peter chose to go there to kick butt on behalf of the world.

Peter's mosaic/adaptive DNA markers + power formula = buy a power in the future as how else would you get the precision formula for powers than from studying the guy whose DNA adapts those features from other supers into his own.
I'm a touch confused... I knew in the future we saw you could buy abilities, but did it say somwhere you could choose which ability you got? I thought you just bought abilities and it was pot-luck what you got?


QUOTE (Creator @ Nov 10 2008, 12:56 PM) *
I am convinced that his path to power (his ascension) involves taking the 'shot' (the P-serum) himself. I also believe that he wants his sons at his side, especially Peter and Gabriel. And, because his power trumps theirs (as we've seen in his handling of both) or so it seems, he is confident that he can bend his little boys to his will (or "ground them!").
Nice theory - I like it.
Ingtar
I've always wondered if we will find out that Nathan is actually Linderman's son. Angela has not been the most faithful spouse. Which would also make me wonder if the story to Sylar was partly true, but the reason she was drowning Sylar was because he was Arthur's favorite and it was her way of striking back at him... I don't know if we will ever get the entire story, but there is a lot of potential here.
Visitor27
QUOTE (Ingtar @ Nov 10 2008, 10:08 AM) *
I've always wondered if we will find out that Nathan is actually Linderman's son. Angela has not been the most faithful spouse. Which would also make me wonder if the story to Sylar was partly true, but the reason she was drowning Sylar was because he was Arthur's favorite and it was her way of striking back at him... I don't know if we will ever get the entire story, but there is a lot of potential here.


That's a quick favorite as a baby. I think the future we know for Sylar, if she drowned him (which I think she tried to) was for what she saw for him - killing so many and her entire family. In all the timelines he has killed -Nathan, Peter, and Claire at least once. It would be ironic if she also saw him killing Arthur - only know it could be a good thing.

I have to go against Creators idea about the formula - a great theory by the way and I was very close to one of mine (That his kids we're powered only after he had them post company) but after Angels and Monsters I am for sure in the other courner.

It seems to me the show is trying to tell us the core of a power is passed down and why Nathan has flight and not a power stealing power like his father (or something mental or pre-cog like his mother).

Matt seems to be a simlar idea having his power passed down from his father. And based on pesonality and enviromnet Matt could have been like Candice or even Eden. It shows he may be more like his dad then he knows - "you will be what I am."

Arthur's disapointment of Nathan could be more "No son of mine won't be special". But I really base it on what I feel the show is showing us in all areas.
TessaBlues
QUOTE (Dunc @ Nov 10 2008, 11:57 AM) *
I'm a touch confused... I knew in the future we saw you could buy abilities, but did it say somwhere you could choose which ability you got? I thought you just bought abilities and it was pot-luck what you got?


I think it is just luck of the draw what you get. Just like the formula that was used on baby Nathan and Tracy. It makes sense that their abilites would be generic (flying, freezing) while those that have natural abilities are more complex. Even though there hasn't been solid proof on whether Peter and Gabe are naturally powered or if their abilites were given to them.

Perhaps because Peter's DNA allows for any kind of blend(as Mohinder put it) it would makes sense that he's an ideal test subject. If his DNA can conform to any ability then I could see Arthur wanting to exploit him for that.
Creator
Dunc,

Thank you... smile.gif !

Ingtar,

Angela had given birth to Nathan before ever meeting Daniel (who met and served with Arthur in Viet Nam).

V27,

You will need to be more explicit in your description of just what you find problematic with my P-serum theory as it applies to Arthur and his sons, Peter and Gabriel. I will be happy to accomodate you once I understand you. ["Seek first to understand..."]

Creator
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