Morf
Nov 10 2008, 07:06 PM
I can't believe they just pulled a cliffhanger like that. So does Hiro die? Will Arthur be going back in time?
forbiddenboarder
Nov 10 2008, 07:08 PM
QUOTE (Morf @ Nov 10 2008, 10:06 PM)

I can't believe they just pulled a cliffhanger like that. So does Hiro die? Will Arthur be going back in time?
i know. very irritating but thats how they roll.
evagolden
Nov 10 2008, 07:09 PM
lol, you're surprised there is a cliffhanger at the end of an Heroes episode? It's classic!
Except I do think it was the first cliffhanger at the end of a flashback episode... I'd have to double-check ''Six Months Ago'' and ''Four Months Ago...'' to be sure, however!
Nice cliffhanger, I'd say! Obviously, he won't die: What would be the point of his spiritwalk if he couldn't live long enought afterward to talk about it? But I'm curious to see next episodes!
SaberProductions
Nov 10 2008, 07:09 PM
Arthur already had the ability to go back in time through Peter. But now, Hiro can't use his powers to fight back!

Poor Hiro!!
pjw2000
Nov 10 2008, 07:10 PM
Yeah, crazy cliffhanger. Hiro doesn't automatically die - that's not how his power works. I don't think he'll kill him either. And he could already time travel since he stole Peter's powers. I think he took Hiro's just so Hiro wouldn't have it.
Caffeinedd
Nov 10 2008, 07:11 PM
I'm just sad Usutu (sp?) got his head chopped off!! It felt like..Hmm..we don't need him anymore...BAM!
Alordo
Nov 10 2008, 07:12 PM
I'm hoping Ando stops the yelling and lays a whomping on him.

THAT would be great!
Morf
Nov 10 2008, 07:12 PM
I'm not surprised that there was a cliffhanger, only that there was one of this magnitude. I guess he already did have time travel through peter, but still, Hiro could die and his spirit walk would still be necessary as it gives us important info.
I don't think it's likely that he would die but wow. I don't remember any cliffhangers this big.
PirateQueen
Nov 10 2008, 07:13 PM
I love the cliffhangers. I look forward to the last 30 seconds of every episode more than the actual episode itself.
SaberProductions
Nov 10 2008, 07:14 PM
Noo! Now Hiro doesn't have his powers! He can't teleport or time travel, or anything! How is he supposed to be a hero now?
Caffeinedd
Nov 10 2008, 07:14 PM
QUOTE (PirateQueen @ Nov 10 2008, 09:13 PM)

I love the cliffhangers. I look forward to the last 30 seconds of every episode more than the actual episode itself.
Haha! I usually just look forward to the beginnng and then get sadder and sadder as the episode goes on.
PirateQueen
Nov 10 2008, 07:15 PM
I bet he can still kick ****** and take names with his sword.
blackmint
Nov 10 2008, 07:15 PM
Well every Hero is supposed to lose their powers.
Icculus
Nov 10 2008, 07:16 PM
QUOTE (SaberProductions @ Nov 10 2008, 10:14 PM)

Noo! Now Hiro doesn't have his powers! He can't teleport or time travel, or anything! How is he supposed to be a hero now?
He'll have to get Sylar to transfer his powers back soon.
Alexfveditor86
Nov 10 2008, 07:18 PM
Are you sure Hiro gets his powers taken? Could it be that Arthur is doing something other than taking his ability away?
Such as mind wiping Hiro to make him forget everything he just learned and maybe alot more.
Whizzles
Nov 10 2008, 07:18 PM
If Hiro loses his power, I'll be disappointed. I was kinda hoping for an Arthur/Hiro/Daphne? stopped-time showdown. Coulda been awesome.
Magenta
Nov 10 2008, 07:19 PM
i was yelling that at the tv when Mr Petrelli grabbed him
"HIRO NOOOOOO!"
i think hes going to take his power so hiro cant time travel and stop him
Zensu14
Nov 10 2008, 07:20 PM
QUOTE (Alexfveditor86 @ Nov 10 2008, 09:18 PM)

Are you sure Hiro gets his powers taken? Could it be that Arthur is doing something other than taking his ability away?
Such as mind wiping Hiro to make him forget everything he just learned and maybe alot more.
I agree, I don't think that Hiro will have his powers taken away. For starters, Arthur already has Hiro's ability from Peter.
KingBlade
Nov 10 2008, 07:22 PM
No one laughed when he was screaming? Wow. I guess its just me.
I doubt he'll take his powers away, its Hiro. Hiro has information on Arthur so, and he was holding his head, so you can only guess what he is doing.
SaberProductions
Nov 10 2008, 07:24 PM
Maybe it's his way of making sure Hiro can't stop him while he goes and screws up the past.
evagolden
Nov 10 2008, 07:24 PM
Yeah, it may be power thievery, it may be a sort of mental attack... Arthur surely can do whatever he wants, with all the powers he gots over the years!
Gibe
Nov 10 2008, 07:24 PM
QUOTE (Caffeinedd @ Nov 10 2008, 10:11 PM)

I'm just sad Usutu (sp?) got his head chopped off! It felt like..Hmm..we don't need him anymore...BAM!
I was surprised they showed a headless corpse! Although, they did that in Angela's dream with Claire too, I suppose.
prander
Nov 10 2008, 07:25 PM
If we assume that Arthur has all of Peter's powers, he should not only have Hiro's already, but Usutu's (from Isaac).
wherediddeango
Nov 10 2008, 07:27 PM
QUOTE (Alexfveditor86 @ Nov 10 2008, 07:18 PM)

Are you sure Hiro gets his powers taken? Could it be that Arthur is doing something other than taking his ability away?
Such as mind wiping Hiro to make him forget everything he just learned and maybe alot more.
Interesting idea, especially since hiro was in a rush to warn ppl about what he saw. From the look of the painting behind hiro it doesn't look like arthur kills him. The real question is why would arthur, a guy who was willing to kill his own son and has killed his own partners in crime leave hiro alive?
Morf
Nov 10 2008, 07:28 PM
I think it's obvious that he is stealing his power, if not killing him. If I was a supervillain and there was a superhero running around who could go back in time and screw up all my plans, he'd be top on the list of people to get rid of.
byerly724
Nov 10 2008, 07:30 PM
i really feel that killing off another future painter is really upsetting. personally i liked issac better as a character because he had more of a story to him (so far from what i can tell) but the idea of future painting is such a staple in the heroverse.
Not to mention it leaves someone to balance out Angela's precognitive visions.
wherediddeango
Nov 10 2008, 07:43 PM
QUOTE (Morf @ Nov 10 2008, 07:28 PM)

I think it's obvious that he is stealing his power, if not killing him. If I was a supervillain and there was a superhero running around who could go back in time and screw up all my plans, he'd be top on the list of people to get rid of.
Is is obvious though? Between his original powers and those taken from peter there are number of things arthur could be doing. Plus looking at painting behind them arthurs is doing something besides killing him. So what would you do to someone who knew how dangerous you were other than kill them.
Begemot Geroi
Nov 10 2008, 07:44 PM
Arthur needs to go back into the past and off himself. I just say that because I don't like him. Which means the actor is doing a great job.
I don't think Hiro will lose his powers permanently, though.
KevinFTW
Nov 10 2008, 07:45 PM
That's what the eclipse is for..
WickedM
Nov 10 2008, 07:46 PM
Am I the only one who thinks maybe this is part of a vision? Ando did get a good whiff of whatever that was in the bowl
SaberProductions
Nov 10 2008, 07:49 PM
QUOTE (wherediddeango @ Nov 10 2008, 09:43 PM)

Is is obvious though? Between his original powers and those taken from peter there are number of things arthur could be doing.
Yeah. He might have already known about Hiro's ability and that he got it from Peter. And since he can read people's thoughts, I'm sure he knew who they had come from and how to use it. So, he used it ability to teleport to Africa and attack Hiro, though how Arthur knew where he was, I don't know.
aulduron
Nov 10 2008, 07:57 PM
He's in the same place Arthur sent him. It doesn't take supernatural powers to find him there

Since Peter had DLs phasing, he probably had Mollys power, too. Arthur would now have it.
forbiddenboarder
Nov 10 2008, 07:56 PM
QUOTE (WickedM @ Nov 10 2008, 10:46 PM)

Am I the only one who thinks maybe this is part of a vision? Ando did get a good whiff of whatever that was in the bowl
thats how i saw things. maybe or maybe not
SaberProductions
Nov 10 2008, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (aulduron @ Nov 10 2008, 09:56 PM)

He's in the same place Arthur sent him. It doesn't take supernatural powers to find him there

Oh, yeah, forgot about that..

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themightytruk
Nov 10 2008, 08:36 PM
Wow, what a way to end the episode! Just as Hiro was figuring things out, looks like Arthur was a step ahead of him. So much for Hiro's plan to infiltrate the bad guys. It seems that Arthur's taken away Hiro's powers. Not good, not good at all. Should be interesting though to see how Hiro handles being powerless. Hiro's been the character who pretty much enjoyed and embraced his power the most. And to have his special gift taken away from him.

Though, Hiro's had his times of doubting his powers, feeling like giving up. Don't think that's what we'll get out of Hiro now. Hiro feels a great responsibility and knows these villains must be stopped. But without his powers, I'm curious what course of action Hiro will take.
The hope for the good guys is looking worse and worse. Arthur's removed the powers of 2 of his biggest threats, Peter and Hiro (pretty sure that was powers being stolen). Seems like the Haitian's the only one who can stand up to him now.
And R.I.P. Usutu.
Zensu14
Nov 10 2008, 08:41 PM
QUOTE (themightytruk @ Nov 10 2008, 10:36 PM)

It seems that Arthur's taken away Hiro's powers. Not good, not good at all. Should be interesting though to see how Hiro handles being powerless. Hiro's been the character who pretty much enjoyed and embraced his power the most. And to have his special gift taken away from him....But without his powers, I'm curious what course of action Hiro will take.
The hope for the good guys is looking worse and worse. Arthur's removed the powers of 2 of his biggest threats, Peter and Hiro (pretty sure that was powers being stolen). Seems like the Haitian's the only one who can stand up to him now.
There's no verifiable proof that Arthur is taking/has taken away Hiro's powers.
Ard_Choille
Nov 10 2008, 08:43 PM
Are we sure he isn't dreaming about waking up? Maybe it's a warning to him while he is still in his spirit walk.
spiderfrommars
Nov 10 2008, 09:03 PM
Weather or not hiro actually got his powers stolen, that was a perfectly executed cliffhanger. I haven't seen a cliffhanger at the end of an episode that I reacted to like that one since the days of alias/ early LOST...
Also, I'm pretty sad about usutu's death... his character was great because he wasn't a precog in the same manner that isaac was... it almost seemed like he mastered the ability though his own personal mental training and spirit walking, which is why he can guide others to use the same ability. He offered a much more philosophical/spiritual and most importantly, non-scientific view of the events of the show, and he will be missed.
conspiracytheory
Nov 10 2008, 09:07 PM
If Arthur's appearance in Africa was indeed real, then he had better steal Hiro's powers. If they pull one of those, "I didn't take his powers for the sake of the plot," deals, I'll be disappointed something awful.
Zensu14
Nov 10 2008, 09:17 PM
There's no real for him to steal it. He already had Hiro's power from Peter. I think he was doing something else to Hiro.
spiderfrommars
Nov 10 2008, 09:22 PM
His reason for stealing it is to keep hiro from using it against him. That's his only reason for stealing any power now that he has empathic mimicry anyways.
conspiracytheory
Nov 10 2008, 09:30 PM
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Nov 11 2008, 12:17 AM)

There's no real for him to steal it. He already had Hiro's power from Peter. I think he was doing something else to Hiro.
If the show uses that excuse, it'll be seriously weak. Arthur should still steal Hiro's powers so that Hiro won't have them anymore. If Hiro was enough of a threat that Arthur felt the need to go to Africa, why not take his power while you're at it? And if we get fed some line about Arthur not being able to steal a power that he already has, I am going to blow a gasket.
IGotSuperPowers
Nov 10 2008, 10:07 PM
QUOTE (Caffeinedd @ Nov 10 2008, 07:11 PM)

I'm just sad Usutu (sp?) got his head chopped off! It felt like..Hmm..we don't need him anymore...BAM!
Oh that was his name?
I just stuck with calling him African!Isaac.
But yeah, sucks about him getting his head chopped off.
I liked him. =[
Trayton
Nov 10 2008, 10:20 PM
I wonder how super strength allows you to rip someone's head off with a clean slice.

Knox did it to Claire just as clean cut.
The_man_who_could_fly
Nov 10 2008, 10:24 PM
QUOTE (Alordo @ Nov 10 2008, 07:12 PM)

I'm hoping Ando stops the yelling and lays a whomping on him.

THAT would be great!
He should take a lesson from Ustsu and bust out the shovel!
lordDJ
Nov 10 2008, 11:06 PM
QUOTE (WickedM @ Nov 10 2008, 08:46 PM)

Am I the only one who thinks maybe this is part of a vision? Ando did get a good whiff of whatever that was in the bowl
i didnt consider that until just now.
i hope so.
Arthur is getting pretty overpowered. His inevitable showdown with Gabriel is looking pretty one sided.
tps703
Nov 11 2008, 01:24 AM
I might be stretching, but after some thought is it possible that he will bring Hiro and Ando back to become test subjects for Mohindir? I mean, Hiro minus powers would be the perfect subject and it would explain how Ando gets powers...I'm just sad because Hiro was finally back to good ol lets save the world times.
ClayAikenRocks
Nov 11 2008, 02:15 AM
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Nov 11 2008, 12:17 AM)

There's no real for him to steal it. He already had Hiro's power from Peter. I think he was doing something else to Hiro.
There is no real reason for him to keep Hiro alive! I mean come on now, the man is willing to kill his own children, why would he balk at killing the kid of a Founder he probably didn't like much? A kid that is a security risk (like the painter was), powers or not.
I am extremely pessimistic that the writers will be able to satisfactorily explain this.
BluePrints
Nov 11 2008, 02:58 AM
I like the idea of taking Hiro and Ando back to Pinehearst for test subjects. I guess it is easy to sneak up on a precog now? If Usutu paints the future, wouldn't he begin to notice that he isn't in any of his visions because he's dead? Isaac painted his death, why wouldn't Usutu have painted his? There's something fishy about that.
Plus, when Arthur had his hands around Hiro, I didn't see the white vapors escaping into Arthurs body like it did when he stole Adams and Peters. This makes me think he isn't stealing Hiro's power but something else. Then again they might show that part at the beginning of next episode.
Raekon
Nov 11 2008, 03:52 AM
QUOTE (wherediddeango @ Nov 11 2008, 04:27 AM)

The real question is why would arthur, a guy who was willing to kill his own son and has killed his own partners in crime leave hiro alive?
Because Hiro holds the "death free" regular card..

QUOTE (conspiracytheory @ Nov 11 2008, 06:30 AM)

And if we get fed some line about Arthur not being able to steal a power that he already has, I am going to blow a gasket.
If that would had been the case then he wouldn't had be able to get telepathy from peter since he already had it when he was tied in the bet (he communicates with Adam before he kills him, the sound fx are there for it).
So he will probably get his power.
It was spoiled before that
hiro will be powerless this season AGAIN anyway so..Not a surprise there.
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