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wherediddeango
We know pinehurst has a file on usutu, which was to be hiro's 1st assignment. My question is how did arthur know to look for and how did know he was being dreamed about?

Majire
my only guess is that he found Molly's power in his collection from Peter
KingBlade
Its Arthur, he's God. Duh.

He could have been looking for Hiro since, he was taking so long to bring back Usutu. He could of teleported to Africa to check what's going on, then read Usutu's mind then know what his intension's are.
Morf
I'm thinking that Arthur anticipated that Hiro wouldn't carry out his assignment and the plan was to trap him there all along.
forbiddenboarder
see i think who cares cause he did find them and he did know. thats it for me. sometimes asking why in everything causes to many problems
themightytruk
Seems to me Arthur had some power to know he was being dreamed about. Of the powers he has from Peter, I could see these ones possibly playing a role: Telepathy (Maury knew Molly was looking for him), Precognition, Time Manipulation, Clairvoyance (Peter was close enough to Molly at Kirby Plaza)

And who knows what else Arthur can do.
Gnosis
QUOTE (wherediddeango @ Nov 10 2008, 10:20 PM) *
We know pinehurst has a file on usutu, which was to be hiro's 1st assignment. My question is how did arthur know to look for and how did know he was being dreamed about?



I'm going to guess he opened the file he gave to Hiro with Usutu's location and then went there...

I'm guessing he knew he was being dreamed about by seeing Hiro dreaming and Taking the info out of Usutu's head, or Hiro's (Since something was strangely making him almost wake up...)

I don't think he needed Molly's power to find him since he does have a file which Hiro used to find him...
wherediddeango
QUOTE (Gnosis @ Nov 10 2008, 07:53 PM) *
I'm going to guess he opened the file he gave to Hiro with Usutu's location and then went there...

I'm guessing he knew he was being dreamed about by seeing Hiro dreaming and Taking the info out of Usutu's head, or Hiro's (Since something was strangely making him almost wake up...)

I don't think he needed Molly's power to find him since he does have a file which Hiro used to find him...


My question wasn't how did he know where. Like i said pinehurst gave hiro the file. But how did he know he was being dreamed about? Between matt and angela's power that arthur took from peter, how did he know he needed to act immed or if it was a prophetic dream? Plus did arthur take powers from peter at their raised state or at the basic level.
Ard_Choille
Daphne said something to Arthur about Hiro being on board. She gave Hiro the Usutu assignment too. He's got a lot of ways to know where Hiro is.
Jrhae
So I know he's very powerful but I wonder how he snuck up on the precog? Hiro couldn't do it and he can manipulate the space-time continuum. Which power do you think he used or is it an ability we don't know about yet?
lordDJ
QUOTE (Morf @ Nov 10 2008, 08:26 PM) *
I'm thinking that Arthur anticipated that Hiro wouldn't carry out his assignment and the plan was to trap him there all along.
Gnosis
QUOTE (wherediddeango @ Nov 10 2008, 11:22 PM) *
My question wasn't how did he know where. Like i said pinehurst gave hiro the file. But how did he know he was being dreamed about? Between matt and angela's power that arthur took from peter, how did he know he needed to act immed or if it was a prophetic dream? Plus did arthur take powers from peter at their raised state or at the basic level.



I did answer that question too...

He probably saw Hiro in a dream like state and probably asked Usutu what was going on, or read his mind and then killed him afterwards. Since Hiro woke up after Usutu is already dead I am sure Arthur saw him dreaming, no power needed really, and if anything he read either Usutu or Hiro's mind...
theldub
QUOTE (wherediddeango @ Nov 10 2008, 08:22 PM) *
My question wasn't how did he know where. Like i said pinehurst gave hiro the file. But how did he know he was being dreamed about? Between matt and angela's power that arthur took from peter, how did he know he needed to act immed or if it was a prophetic dream? Plus did arthur take powers from peter at their raised state or at the basic level.


He was also aware of Angela dreaming about him (putting her into a coma or whatever). When Peter was dreaming, Charles Deveaux was aware of him. Perhaps just another case of overpowered Arthur. You can formulate your own theories for this, but I'm sure that this is yet another loose end that the show will not address.
Gnosis
QUOTE (theldub @ Nov 11 2008, 02:41 AM) *
He was also aware of Angela dreaming about him (putting her into a coma or whatever). When Peter was dreaming, Charles Deveaux was aware of him. Perhaps just another case of overpowered Arthur. You can formulate your own theories for this, but I'm sure that this is yet another loose end that the show will not address.



A "loose End" has no plausible explination, this has many explinations. This isn't even an issue since it could be solved by any combination of Arthur's powers or by him using his eyes and ears to see Hiro dream and over-hear Usuto and Ando talk about whats going on... Its not even a big stretch, so no "loose end" just a minor detail not needed to explain Arthur's actions...
Raekon
Probably charles power that peter already had.
electric1dude
QUOTE (Majire @ Nov 11 2008, 03:24 AM) *
my only guess is that he found Molly's power in his collection from Peter




It seems to be the best explanation unsure.gif
orendtheheavens
It would have been really great if there could have been a small scene where Daphne is taking to Arthur about Hero, Daphne says she hasn't heard from him since he was sent there, Arthur freaks out, decides to take care of it himself, teleports himself (with peter's power) to Africa. It would have helped that transition a little more
darksfallen
Arthur knew where hiero was because Pinehurst did, they also knew the Power of the person they were trying to find. I think either:

A. The comment was meant to be about the hero he just killed or

B. He heard Hiero wake up and proclaim all the names and that Arthur was still alive and how he must warn everyone.

QUOTE
Since Hiro woke up after Usutu is already dead I am sure Arthur saw him dreaming, no power needed really, and if anything he read either Usutu or Hiro's mind...


Didn't Hiero and Ando both hear his death scream? I don't remember the timing off hand.

It wouldn't be too hard to sneak up on a Precog that wasn't using his powers. He hadn't been in a trance for some time while he was humoring Hiero and Ando, perhaps he just hadn't seen and painted it yet?

Remember he was actively painting and erasing and repainting rocks, meaning the future was in flux after Future Peter screwed everything up. It must be very confusing for Precogs to watch future history change, but I never thought twice that the future changed and he just hadn't seen it yet. While a precog he's not all knowing or he would never have to repaint rocks...

spiderfrommars
QUOTE (orendtheheavens @ Nov 12 2008, 12:17 AM) *
It would have been really great if there could have been a small scene where Daphne is taking to Arthur about Hero, Daphne says she hasn't heard from him since he was sent there, Arthur freaks out, decides to take care of it himself, teleports himself (with peter's power) to Africa. It would have helped that transition a little more


Personally I wouldn't want this scene. It was so perfectly executed, because we were just as surprised as hiro to see arthur there, which I think worked really well, and we haven't had such a surprise in a long time on the show. Having a scene explaining his presence there beforehand would have completely ruined the surprise, not to mention been pretty confusing because the only scenes that took place in present day were in africa, and that was how the viewer knew they were back in the present instead of the past.

Also, how did arthur find hiro? Like it's been said on the thread, he's the one who sent hiro to africa. Thats how he knew where hiro was.

How did Arthur know hiro was dreaming about him? Possibly his telepathy, possibly angela's precog dreaming combined with telepathy. Possibly Charles Deveaux's power through peter. Possibly he ran into and sagged the power of someone like the kid in india who was in mohinder's dreams (forgot his name) and appears in the gns a bit. Or maybe something completely different that we haven't seen, since arthur seems to have every power we've seen so far and then some.

How did Arthur sneak up on a precog? He himself is both a precog painter and a precog dreamer, which trumps just painter. And maybe part of the evolved or more advanced version of precog is to be able to mask or hide yourself from other people's precog.
Visitor27
spiderfrommars, bravo!
MadCow21
QUOTE (wherediddeango @ Nov 10 2008, 10:20 PM) *
We know pinehurst has a file on usutu, which was to be hiro's 1st assignment. My question is how did arthur know to look for and how did know he was being dreamed about?

Peter probably had Charles Deveaux's abilities, and Deveaux certainly seemed to be aware when others were dreaming about him since he actually had a conversation with Peter in one of his dreams.

Edit: Guess I should read to the end before posting.
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