I had an epiphany today, while pondering the various plots of my favorite show..

Law enforcement agents have spoken of the difficulties they have in subduing people that are wacked out on PCP, because they're A.) Violent and B.) indifferent to pain and injury. They don't stop at that point that most people stop at, for fear of injury, so they use every last erg of strength that a human can call up. And considering humans are capable of lifting cars in an emergency, that can be considerable. They shrug off tear gas, tasers, rubber bullets, REAL bullets..well, you get my point.

Now...who do we know that has this ability on Heroes?

I watched Claire struggling with those two goons last night, and suddenly thought, if she REALLY fought them...threw everything she had into it, there's no way they could stop her. What are they going to do, hit her? Set her on fire? What does she care...?

Now, before everyone gets the idea that I'm saying the writers should have thought of this...I'm not. It was just a random thought that suddenly made sense. I'd LOVE to see them go with that, though. Claire could be just insane, since she doesn't have to sweat injury or pain. I'm not saying she'd be strong enough to throw a car or something, but she could call up more strength than your average human, I'd say.

Discuss..

If someone with superstrength holds down an indestructible weakling, then the indestructible weakling won't be able to move.

That's physics.

Don't overestimate the indestructible weakling.

Kind of like Wolverine's berserker rages?

well, yes...I wasn't saying she'd be impervious to everything, but speaking of physics, little old ladies with a good knowledge of martial arts can do quite a bit with the right application of leverage...no one has stated that Knox knows anything but brute force, nor that he's good with pain. If she was really throwing herself around and fighting back (IE, kicking out his knee or biting his ears off) I dunno if he could have kept hold of her.

Know tears off Claire's head. Game over.

Knox only has super-strength if Claire's afraid of him. If she's not, he's a reglar person.

Unless someone else around is frightened!

But I find this power of Knox funny, by the way! Ok, he looks frightening, that's true, but as soon as you know what is power his (to build up strenght on fear), well, he seems a lot least scary, because you know you just have to be non-scarred to unpower him! So, your fear goes away, making him powerless!

well you still have consider the "down time" while claire heals. Say her leg is broken, she won't be able to move very easily/run away until it is healed. This down time may only be a few seconds, but that's more than enough of a window to subdue/overpower her in a fight. Something Knox is more than capable of with or without the fear-base strength.

i laugh cause imagine, claire agreeing to go with them, and then POKE right in Knox's eyes with fingernails included. heck as a cheerleader she is an experienced kicker, and man a good low blow hurts regardless of strength. the bes they could do is subdue her, by it doesn't mean she cant move.

Yes. Because that always works so well in real life. How many times have you heard "Don't be scared"

Plus, we've seen that you don't have to be scared of him for his power to work. You just have to be scared.

I think that is why he is paired up with Flint. A human flamethrower scares most people lol

Problem is that Claire was just a teenage cheerleader and she didn't really pick up any pertinent skills to defend herself other than that her regenerative ability is pretty ****** thorough. She has no knowledge of even the slightest self-defense and she shares the same stupidity that Peter does in not using her powers to the best. So yeah, I think this is why I'm blase about Future Claire-- all it seems like is that she learned to shoot but she was pretty much taken out in one wimpy punch by Peter in the future.

They really need to make Claire use her ability better. Otherwise, the reasons for her to stay on the show just grow less and less.

Use her ability better?

She. Can. Heal.

That's it. Case closed. End of story.

There's no "using it better" or "more effectively." She gets hurt. She gets better. That's it.

If you watch the scene you will notice he feeds off her fear when they declare they are actually there for her.

Yeah, Knox gets power from fear, and that's it, not just fear of him. Only one person on this show isn't afraid of anything, and that's HRG.

However... the point of this post is... claire should start doing pcp?

To be fair, she could theoretically do it without the physical dangers of the drug, because her body would just heal itself. The question is, would the drug even affect her, or would her body just immediately fix whatever alterations she has to her perception?

In a way, this is actually the root of the physical abilities that mohinder has actually. He even says "In every way, physically I'm the same," Which means that his physicaly powers are all things his body was capable of achieving. His new power just takes away the boundaries that the body normally has (usually due to not enough adrenaline). Which actually could suggest that the root of mohinder's power is that it just makes his body hyper-produce adrenaline, which explains both his physical power and his mild level of psychosis (though it doesn't explain the bug/spider/lizard thing).

She's 5'1 teenager who doesn't really know how to fight yet and has the power to heal, not defend herself, taking Claire is easy.

The PCP reference was really just an example...I didn't mean Claire should literally do PCP...

I know... I was just jokin around

however, that joking led to a huge string of things connecting in my mind, which I'm always a fan of happening with either heroes or lost.

For the first part, the thing is, in real life for your exemple, when you're afraid of something, even if your fear disappear, the source of the fear won't, thus, rebuilding your fear. Which is different from Knox. Besides, don't be angry like that, the show proved it right with Sylar, as he stopped fearing him as soon as he understood the working of his power... Granted, his understanding capacities are better than others, but still...

Anyway, I was meaning in a one-on-one fight, as soon as you know how his power works, he gets weak! That doesn't mean I don't think is power is weak or anything: Like you said, there may be other source of fear, or other frightened individuals around, etc. His power is actually quite philosophical! Lack of knowledge can build up fear in an individual. But if you know, learn about what is fearing you, then it gets a lot least frightening. Knox represents the importance of knowledge when fighting a given danger.

Or understood how his power worked and much like Peter absorbed his power. I don't think he was ever scared of Knox, he was just now able to fight back.

I think if Claire started fighting him, she'd just stop being afraid...He appears to be 'feeding' off the pheromones from someone being afraid. Hence the deep breathing. Actually I'm waiting for him to pass out one of these days from hyperventilating...

Anyway...If Claire started fighting back, and got mad, no more fear for him to feed on. And he'd get weakened by it. I'd love to see the scene where she realizes that and just hands him his ******

what if the tables are turned on Knox and somehow he becomes afraid of something, say Arthur threatening to take his power like Adam? Would Knox then feed off his own fear and get strong, become super weak, etc.?

Claire has two powers people. She has the power of regeneration (healing) and being super super sexy! LOL! Don't overlook the power of sexiness against the average male-

Interesting thought...

Still, I like to think that the fear element of his power is just a facilitator(like Isaac's heroin, or Niki's MPD), and that he could really be that strong even without people who are afraid nearby. For that to really work, though, he'd have to have some kind of empathetic/telepathic ability as well (or just be really good at reading emotions, I guess).

Knox reminds me a bit of a fly species. There´s a fly who lays her eggs into the red ants. They fly over them which causes the ants to become afraid, those pheromones makes the flies go into a sexual frenzy, so they have sex and the females lay their eggs right into the ants. Very fascinting I must say.