How screwed are our "Heroes"? The most offensive player has been depowered and unless Claire gets all bad ****** and some BFGs, she's not much help. Matt can't do his mind stuff whilst moving (and if he can he's still going to be distracted), so essentially he's a sitting duck. Daphne isn't much of an offensive player and Angela isn't the most offensive person. Nathan flying isn't going to do much. Hiro, who could freeze time and knock them all out think's he's 10 so he's out of the picture.
Now, look at the Villains. We have Sylar, with TK, Electricity and more. We have Arthur, who has every single one of Peters abilities and the ones he has but we haven't seen. Knox can feed off fear. Flint is a walking flamethrower. Elle is just fantastic and Tracy can freeze them and Claire isn't going to heal from shattering into tiny peices is she? Mohinder, if he sides with Pinehearst has super strength. Unless our "Heroes" get the Haitian then they're screwed. Really screwed.

PS: GO VILLAINS!
PPS: And I mean Primatech in the title ¬.¬

You're forgetting that Season 3 has been about Sylar's overnight transition from bad to good. He prevented Peter from dying when he tossed him out the window and he's even developed empathy thanks to his connection with Elle (who herself hasn't necessarily proven herself to be a true villain).

So when the shtuff hits the fan there are going to be some villains that the villains need to look out for.

Didn't saw it that way! But it is great this way, you know? One way to make this kind of show interesting is to make the bad guys overwhelmingly strong and/or the good guys overwhelmingly weak. This way, the viewer gets to wonder "how the heck will they get throught this?".

Ok, those who have read spoilers (and if you didn't don't read this! Stop reading NOW!!) knows the Haitian solution, but still...

We know they will get throught this, somehow. But we're curious as to how it will happen, and that's what make it really interesting!

Let the battle begin!

p.s. Along with the solution explained in the spoiler, which I won't repeat, I have a feeling that Gabriel and/or Elle and/or Tracy and/or Mohinder may switch side at one point of the war. Gabriel is trying to be a good guy now, Elle is messed up in her sexy head, but not really evil per se, and Tracy, well, it's hard to say if she's good or evil, this girl. She cares more about her own interests, probably, so if Primatech gets to be the winning side, maybe she'll join them. As for Mohinder, just like Elle, he's a messed up guy (not the same kind of mess up than Elle), but not evil at all, usually! It's just that, research-wise, Primatech has a lot to offer! Especcially with his actual status!

Primatech was "evil" during the first two seasons, maybe they still are. Sure, Arthur sees evil, but so did Bennet, for most of the first season.

Good point, Aulduron! Maybe Primatech is on the wrong side and Pinehearst on the good side. That's not totally impossible. However, I think it's unlikely, as Kaito seems to be on the "Primatech" side on this one. Of the few character who don't seem to be in gray areas, he's on the top list! That doesn't mean he don't have such a gray area, but he doesn't seem to. He has quite a strong moral code!

You're also forgetting that the Haitian will make all of the villains useless and the guy with the gun will be standing next to him the whole time, protecting Claire and anyone on her side.

(You should really put spoilers when you speak of the Haitian, as not everyone checks the spoilers).

Anyway, will the Haitian will be enought? First thing, we know that, with enought will, one can overpass the Haitian's anti-power barrier (Matt reading the Sylar name in season 1). And second, the Pinehearst undoubtly know how to use guns, too! And they would know who to kill if they want their power back! The only thing is that they would get taken by surprise, so it's not sure that they'll have shooters ready to take him down. But when they overcome the surprise, they can get their powers back if they want!

yea but primatech has HRG.

case closed.

either side can easily win with a few sniper rifles and a good vantage point

Primatech also has the kill squad...who would prove quite useful in combo with the haitian.

The Kill Squad has gone rogue, which is why the Task Force KS6 is after 'em (see the Primatech Chapter 1 recap)...

I'm rootin' for The Haitian - he seems the most decent of the various folks... Or Claude if he were to get involved.



ETA that I was just off-handedly namin' individuals I thought would do well in some struggle, if they were to happen to join in and choose a side... I wasn't mentionin' stuff from a spoiler-y pov. Meh.

Am I delusional in hoping that the Petrelli Brothers just say "Screw you!" to their insane parents and their marital tiff to break off and make their own team? Even having only Gabriel/Sylar breaking off from Pinehearst with Elle along for the ride would be awesome (drools thinking of them diabolically electrocuting anyone that gets in their way). It'd be really fun to watch, at least for me.

Uhm, isn't it a known, non-spoiler fact that the Haitian works for Primatech?

IMO, the characters' respective loyalties to each side may not be so set in stone as the last couple of minutes of "Villains" make them seem. We can only speculate...



Remember that Peter went to the future and saw what happens when people having powers becomes normal. Arthur, etc. / Pinehearst wants to do just that. So that's the "evil," the future that needs to be averted... which is what Angela, etc. / Primatech is trying to do.

I'm pretty sure that's right. Although I wasn't postin' from a spoilery pov...

That's why I said that Gabriel, Elle, Tracy and Mohinder may or may not switch team at some point!



We don't know exactly what is the goal of Pinehearst. Maybe they want to give powers to individuals in a controlled environnement, and maybe even they wish to do that for a good cause (like, they know of an even worst menace and they need someone with a very specific power to deal with it), but the formula is leaked out of Pinehearst and everyone gets power. My point is that maybe Pinehearst's goal is not evil at all, it just that Arthur's plan is destined to fail, with the consequences being what we saw!

But like I said, Kaito being against anyone getting the formula (thus, against Pinehearst), I do believe that they represent the ''bad guys'' side!

I think Arthur's whole...I'm going to suck Adam's powers, in turn killing him and have plotted to kill my son in the past...pretty much cement him as a villain...Have to admit though, I've been partial to Angela since the show started. She's such an in-depth character.

Well when Nathan and tracy came out of the Pinehearst building, right before Nathan flies off, wasn't the first thing he said to Tracy "My Father wants to give half the planet abilities..." or something like that. It didn't sound like he [Arthur] was aiming for a controlled kind of thing.

You have to wonder if that is Nathan saying what he's just been told, or taking his best guess at Arthur's goal.

If it's what he was told, then was it the truth or not? To be honest I still can't work out how everyone having abilities would help Arthur. I think he's the sort of person who is glad he is special above everybody else, and levelling the playing-field doesn't make sense viewed in those terms. He has to be trying to make the formula work for some reason though.

I'm not so sure. Matt has proved to me that he is the most powerful Telepath on the show, save for fPeter who's dead. He was able to invade and/or destroy the illusions of both Maury and Arthur. Daphne was mopping the floor with Peter in Costa Verde before she got distracted by Sylar's boy being killed. Claire is the only one of any of them that feels no pain, allowing her to walk through anything Elle and Flint can dish out. Nathan could grab Knox, take him up about a 1/2 mile in the blink of an eye and just drop him. Plus the ever-deadly HRG will be dropping villians left and right, and Arthur will be too busy being manipulated by Angela. All of that is without the Haitian, who will certainly be involved. I say advantage: Primatech.