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newtsamson
How is there a new issue of 9th wonders?
I guess Issac was way ahead of himself before his death.
I wonder why no one is mentioning Issac.
When is the last issue?
wolfbro
So this episode proves that the previous issue, shown last week was only released last month in the Heroes-verse and that the comic is still being currently published.

It's another predictive issue, based on the cover. Other than that, we really don't know much.
RiddlerHanjinome
In this week's Behind The Eclipse interview, they do offer some insight. They say that comic book artists/writers and their publishers try to have months worth of material ready beforehand, although they sometimes get behind. (going by memory, so I could be missing a word or two)
kainee
I have a hard time believing that Isaac had so many comics already handed in though... one of his last words was that he left information on how to kill off Sylar once and for all and then Hiro stabbed Sylar in S1. Plus, there was so much time travel and possible futures between S1 and now that I really can't believe that Isaac could have drawn all of that before he died... since we know that precog drawings aren't necessarily fated to come true.

Unless the 9th Wonders comics became a franchise with another precog filling in... I dunno... I hope they explain this in Heroes satisfactorily.
Citizen
Issue #31

O no what sorry

RedWolf
Looking at the issues the comic where it shows Hiro killing Sylar does not indicate which number it is.

We merely assumed it is issue 15. In the wiki it is called the final issue.

I know one of the nickpicks of season one is that the sword that stabbed Sylar is not the SaiYo sword.

So there is a possibility that Hiro will have another go at stabbing Sylar again in the future.

But the issues as we see them are not chronological in terms of how we watch the show.

For example St. Joan's issue.
Renrut
I don't know about you guys but if there were a comic book out there with me in it I would certainly subscribe to it. Heck, if Hiro had a subcription he would have known not to open the vault. If there is any continuity Ninth Wonders comics they would have seen Adam die and Arthur heal. I just don't understand the point of this comic. I wonder if there was an issue about Hiro in feudal Japan.
MagnificoG
QUOTE (Renrut @ Nov 26 2008, 09:23 AM) *
I don't know about you guys but if there were a comic book out there with me in it I would certainly subscribe to it. Heck, if Hiro had a subcription he would have known not to open the vault. If there is any continuity Ninth Wonders comics they would have seen Adam die and Arthur heal. I just don't understand the point of this comic. I wonder if there was an issue about Hiro in feudal Japan.

I can't remember if it was a comic, but I know Isaac produced an image of Hiro and Kensei locking swords, which technically happened in Hiro's future, but 400 years before Isaac was born. That would suggest again that Hiro was Isaac's subject the same way Matt is (was sad.gif )for Usutu.
Renrut
QUOTE (MagnificoG @ Nov 26 2008, 09:56 AM) *
I know Isaac produced an image of Hiro and Kensei locking swords, which technically happened in Hiro's future, but 400 years before Isaac was born.

Isaac was also a post-cog. biggrin.gif
thecordler
why is it hard to believe that a dead artist who only died 5 months ago shouldn't still have comics in the wait. Comic book publishing is months apart from whats being worked on right now by the artist as it goes through many phases which usually takes a month to do, such as storyboard, inking, coloring, then printing.

What i find hard to believe is, that issue 14 was the issue that came out the day of his death (the issue Hiro got in episode 1-2 (Micah even stated that it was even out yet), now only 6 months after his death we have issue #31, thats 17 total issues that are 16-24 pages long within 6 months, which means that every 10 days he released a new issue.

Issac apparently got HIGH quite often on his heroin to accomplish this feat.
Vice
QUOTE (thecordler @ Nov 26 2008, 12:00 PM) *
why is it hard to believe that a dead artist who only died 5 months ago shouldn't still have comics in the wait. Comic book publishing is months apart from whats being worked on right now by the artist as it goes through many phases which usually takes a month to do, such as storyboard, inking, coloring, then printing.

What i find hard to believe is, that issue 14 was the issue that came out the day of his death (the issue Hiro got in episode 1-2 (Micah even stated that it was even out yet), now only 6 months after his death we have issue #31, thats 17 total issues that are 16-24 pages long within 6 months, which means that every 10 days he released a new issue.

Issac apparently got HIGH quite often on his heroin to accomplish this feat.


We got more information on when Volume 3 takes place from the first visit to Sam's Comics in the last episode and even when Seth Green was unpacking the New Comics and saying "We have enough Red Hulks for everyone"

Red Hulk is a Comic that just started its Run in January 2008. The Issue that was Shown was Issue 4 So i want to say that last nights episode took place in May 2008. Meaning that Issac has been dead for more then 5 months. If he did in fact die Nov. 2006.

I guess this is just another sign of Countiunity errors. And we just blame the writers strike for this
HERΟ
QUOTE (Vice @ Nov 26 2008, 11:12 PM) *
Red Hulk is a Comic that just started its Run in January 2008. The Issue that was Shown was Issue 4 So i want to say that last nights episode took place in May 2008. Meaning that Issac has been dead for more then 5 months. If he did in fact die Nov. 2006.

I guess this is just another sign of Countiunity errors. And we just blame the writers strike for this
Yeah, it seems ya gotta sorta overlook the continuity errors... Like the one island mentioned which refers to 30 Rock* (funny that in that post I was speculatin' about evsdropr, and mentioning Connie, and not even thinkin' they were the related... rolleyes.gif)... wink.gif
Yarr
QUOTE (thecordler @ Nov 26 2008, 02:00 PM) *
why is it hard to believe that a dead artist who only died 5 months ago shouldn't still have comics in the wait. Comic book publishing is months apart from whats being worked on right now by the artist as it goes through many phases which usually takes a month to do, such as storyboard, inking, coloring, then printing.

What i find hard to believe is, that issue 14 was the issue that came out the day of his death (the issue Hiro got in episode 1-2 (Micah even stated that it was even out yet), now only 6 months after his death we have issue #31, thats 17 total issues that are 16-24 pages long within 6 months, which means that every 10 days he released a new issue.

Issac apparently got HIGH quite often on his heroin to accomplish this feat.



lol You dont read comics do you?

Most comic artists have a few titles to do each month. Its rare for an artist to only work on one comic and even more for them to have more than 1-2 months done ahead of time. Comics get delayed all the time because the artist couldnt keep up with his\her workload. I think its stupid for the writers to say he had a ton of issues done a head of time. There are way better ways to explain whats going on.

This is a Precog after all. Its not like he didnt see his death coming. I know if I saw my own death there would be a lot of stuff I would do before that time.

What actually bothers me is that he is writing for a future that never existed. When he died the future had not been changed by Future Peter. I have a feeling we are going to find out theres more to 9thWonders than we know.
Renrut
QUOTE (Yarr @ Nov 27 2008, 10:25 AM) *
What actually bothers me is that he is writing for a future that never existed. When he died the future had not been changed by Future Peter. I have a feeling we are going to find out theres more to 9thWonders than we know.

What bothers me is that all Hiro needed to do was read the comic and he would have known Daphne was going to steal the formula. He would know that if he dug up Adam he would be used to heal Arthur. It makes no sense for the comics to still be on the show past Isaac's death. I know he's a precog but he painted NY blowing up so how did he draw all these comics about a future where it didn't? Why didn't he tell Peter his father was alive? Do the characters in these comics have names? Did Isaac make up names for the characters in the comics? I can't imagine reading a comic where nobody had names. Is Arthur Petrelli given a fake name?
wolfbro
QUOTE (Renrut @ Nov 27 2008, 08:57 AM) *
What bothers me is that all Hiro needed to do was read the comic and he would have known Daphne was going to steal the formula. He would know that if he dug up Adam he would be used to heal Arthur.

I don't recall seeing either of those events in the comics. Issac didn't see every possibility and it's likely he didn't paint or draw all of the future events he did see.
QUOTE (Renrut @ Nov 27 2008, 08:57 AM) *
It makes no sense for the comics to still be on the show past Isaac's death. I know he's a precog but he painted NY blowing up so how did he draw all these comics about a future where it didn't?

The future changed, the explosion he painted was prevented. He also painted other events in the "new", current future that were shown in Season 2.

QUOTE (Renrut @ Nov 27 2008, 08:57 AM) *
Why didn't he tell Peter his father was alive? Do the characters in these comics have names? Did Isaac make up names for the characters in the comics? I can't imagine reading a comic where nobody had names. Is Arthur Petrelli given a fake name?

How on earth would Issac have any idea who Peter's father was? He didn't know who Peter was or Claire or Sylar. Why would he know who Arthur is?
Renrut
QUOTE (wolfbro7 @ Nov 27 2008, 11:24 AM) *
I don't recall seeing either of those events in the comics. Issac didn't see every possibility and it's likely he didn't paint or draw all of the future events he did see.

I was trying to fill in the blanks for the comic. It shows Arthur wiping Hiro's mind. I would assume there is some kind of story along with this comic. It seems like it would show events leading up to Hiro going to Africa. There's probably 24 pages in the comic. If the comic is a hodge podge of pre-cog pictures without a story to go with it why would anyone buy it? For instance, who is this guy with his hands on Hiro's head and what is he doing to Hiro? I would assume the readers of the comic would know who he his in the comic's story. If they know who he is then it would be logical that it also would show him healed by touching Adam. Since that comic was of Hiro in Africa wouldn't the issue be about the events he saw in his vision as well? When Ando opens the comic he flips through about ten pages before he gets to Arthur wiping he memory. It would show the events of 18 months ago. If it shows the events of 18 months ago then Isaac would know who Arthur is and his relationship with Peter. If it doesn't show the 18 months ago story why would the comic have him in Africa? About six pages later the comic shows Hiro and Ando in the comic store and several pages later ends with Arthur saying it's coming and a picture of the eclipse. The comic is a complete story, not a few random images of future events he saw.

QUOTE (wolfbro7 @ Nov 27 2008, 11:24 AM) *
How on earth would Issac have any idea who Peter's father was? He didn't know who Peter was or Claire or Sylar. Why would he know who Arthur is?

Peter and Isaac met a few times. He knew his name. There were many pages in the Ninth Wonders Comic prior to Arthur grabbing Hiro's head. The page right before that probably had Hiro's visions from 18 month's earlier. Otherwise the comic wouldn't make any sense. Hiro and Ando hanging out in Africa and a totally unknown character shows up and turns him into a 10 year old. The paintings are vague but these comics appear to be verbatim accounts of what is going on.
thecordler
QUOTE (Yarr @ Nov 27 2008, 11:25 AM) *
lol You dont read comics do you?

Most comic artists have a few titles to do each month. Its rare for an artist to only work on one comic and even more for them to have more than 1-2 months done ahead of time. Comics get delayed all the time because the artist couldn't keep up with his\her workload. I think its stupid for the writers to say he had a ton of issues done a head of time. There are way better ways to explain whats going on.

This is a Precog after all. Its not like he didnt see his death coming. I know if I saw my own death there would be a lot of stuff I would do before that time.

What actually bothers me is that he is writing for a future that never existed. When he died the future had not been changed by Future Peter. I have a feeling we are going to find out theres more to 9thWonders than we know.


actually i do read comics, i read them a lot, and if you ever went to any comic conventions you'd know that those artist that have many comics on their plate are the ones attached to studios only, most Indie artists like Issac are 1 title only people. Issac's 9th wonders is a independent comic, as noted by Micah's cousin when he joked about micah not having a real comic collection, to which micah responded i collect more than this.

Their are plenty of comic book artist who only have or work on 1 comic/graphic novel at any time, heck even the greats do it at times, when they hand the reigns off so that they can focus on something more personal to them. Spawn is a brilliant example of this, as Mcfarlane had over a years worth of material and was able to branch off away from it for a break.

As for timeline, its not long after nathan being shot which is only 4-5 months after the bomb incident, comic book reference to the new hulk series is pointless as in the Heroverse the PS3 came out 4 months earlier in season 1.
rayne
QUOTE (thecordler @ Nov 29 2008, 11:37 PM) *
actually i do read comics, i read them a lot, and if you ever went to any comic conventions you'd know that those artist that have many comics on their plate are the ones attached to studios only, most Indie artists like Issac are 1 title only people. Issac's 9th wonders is a independent comic, as noted by Micah's cousin when he joked about micah not having a real comic collection, to which micah responded i collect more than this.

Their are plenty of comic book artist who only have or work on 1 comic/graphic novel at any time, heck even the greats do it at times, when they hand the reigns off so that they can focus on something more personal to them. Spawn is a brilliant example of this, as Mcfarlane had over a years worth of material and was able to branch off away from it for a break.

As for timeline, its not long after nathan being shot which is only 4-5 months after the bomb incident, comic book reference to the new hulk series is pointless as in the Heroverse the PS3 came out 4 months earlier in season 1.

I see Issac as Nostrodomus. even after 500 years after his death he is still brought up n' Issac is the heroverse prophet. Issac n' his 9th wonders will always be brought up like Nostrodomus n' his predictions. just go with it n' enjoy the show.
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