1- what was the point of hiro teleporting randomly to the past with claire

2-why did sylar HAVE to kill ELLE, it seems like she was forced off the show

3- why the hell did mohinder go looking for maya
-3.1 how the hell is maya living in new jersey!? wtf

4- how does superspeed solve daphne's leg problem

5- i find it so hard to blv that isaac mendez ALL OF THIS, when the future changed like a 1000 times, give me a break


ughhhhhhhhhhhh

1. He's following the comic book, wherein he thinks he's gonna get his memory back.

2. I think he wants to see what she knows, otherwise he just did it to be evil. Shock Kill, most likely.

3. He has become rather obsessed with her as of late. Love or Lust, who knows.
3.1. Don't know, Don't care.

4. Strengthens the leg muscles for superspeed, maybe. That's the technicalities of the power that haven't been explained.

5. I like where they're taking the story, even if it does add a few more questions to the thought box.

1. he's following the comic book. and we will most likely find out why next episode!
2. (i'm hoping) we find out next episode. i think that was meant to be an ill-contrived cliffhanger.
3. because he's got a creepy cockroach crush on her. did it say where she was living? i guess she had to be in jersey since he didn't travel or anything.. i dunno about that considering she's an illegal immigrant.
4. i don't know much about her particular disorder, but assuming it's muscular her ability could nullify it.. suspended disbelief?
5. issac DID make comic books for a living. more suspended disbelief in the fact that he was THAT BUSY writing all of those comics in his career (he was pretty young to have such a large library). he was probably writing them long before he discovered his ability.

I agree with this. Also, Hiro is sort of a comic/sci-fi guy anyway. You would think he would have a subscription. If he had just seen the previous issue he would know what was in the vault and why he shouldn't open it. You would think the company would be aware of this comic by now.

Thank you, Thank you and THANK YOU.

No wonder they've fired writers..

eh the writers are bs-ing now. this freaking isaac painted it stuff has to got to go. this guy died in a timeline where he thought ny was gonna explode. the future got switched 3 times after that. he couldnt have seen all of that. too unrealistic.

I believe that we still don't know the full extent of how time acts in the Heroes Universe.


So maybe Isaac wrote out everything, even the changes.


If you think about it, nothing he really drew was wrong, just vague. (Sylar being stabbed, didn't die. Peter exploding, lived)

Suspended Disbelief. Thats your excuse for ignoring bad writing.

Lost doesn't break that. My Own Worst Enemy doesn't break that.

This is just... bad.

1. Did you even watch the episode? The comic showed Hiro in the past with Claire and they believe that will help Hiro get his memory back. And I'm sure there's some benefit in it for Claire as well that we haven't found out yet. How you missed this is beyond me.

2. He can find out if it's true that the Petrelli's aren't his parents. He's also tired of being used by people and going back to being the BAMF he was before that didn't care about anyone.

3. He obviously has feelings for her that's why.
-3.1. Doesn't make sense that she didn't go back to Guatemala, but I don't particularly care about that.

4. Don't know, all kinds of things happen when you have powers. Why doesn't Nathan's skin get cut up when he's flying at sonic speeds.

5. Then don't believe it. This is a show where two people came back from the dead and there was a Haitian dude with invulnerable skin, that isn't weird enough?

wow. you are telling me you enjoyed this pathetic atempt of an episode. it was so predictable, so uneventful, and there were so many things that shouldnt have been.
1- i know hiro did that bc of the comic book, is there any point of the writers doing it. 50 bucks it wont have any significance
2- so 1 min he was having sex with her, than he kills her bc " tired of being used" give me a break
3-no crap, but yet again theres no point bc shes not gonna be back on the show. waste of time
4-im pretty sure super sonic speed power doesn't heal broken legs
5- that's a real ignorant excuse for a lack of storytelling.

I agree that Lost doesn't break it's own rules as often, but this isn't about suspending belief as much as watching what's happening on the screen.

We don't always KNOW why they have to do what's in the comic but they do it and it ends up working.

Mohinder clearly had feelings for her so that's why he went after her. And Sylar killed Elle because he's finally caught onto the fact that he's being used and he's giving into his instincts as well as finding out if Elle does know the truth of his heritage.

It was an OK episode, not tremendous, but OK. And why don't you calm down, buddy.

1. How often do we know exactly what the outcome will be when they follow the comic? Not often but something significant always happens.
2. It wasn't one minute, it was after him losing his powers and being killed and being told that the Petrelli's aren't his parents. Elle clearly looked like she was lying when he asked her for the truth. How do you think he feels that it's possible he's been doing all this crap for nothing.
3. Maybe she will be back on the show, maybe she won't. But Mohinder trying to see her is something many people would do in that situation.
4. We don't know how powers work so you can't say super speed doesn't heal legs. Maybe it's not just that she's fast but she has insanely strong legs...your legs would have to be extremely strong to be able to run long distances at super speed.
5. Once again, cool it. I love how people like to insult people online when they're behind the safety of a computer and screen name.

you criticize suspension of disbelief considering a show about people with super powers? and you want to talk about bad writing? news flash: My Own Worst Enemy has been CANCELLED, not the best example to bring up when you've been prancing around this board criticizing a show that is going to long outlast that piece of trash, contrived bs.

and yes, to take your bait: suspended disbelief does come into play considering the medical complexities of daphne's condition and the questionable nature of issac's supposed ability to publish a library of comic books in a career that we as an audience have no definition of. this show, as well as any television drama, sacrifices such detailed explanations to help move the story along. would you like a 40 minute episode showing issac mendez create that library of comic books? would that end your crying? call up tim kring and ask him to explain these things to you.

you want an example of bad writing? smoke monsters and teleporting polar bears. THAT'S bad writing.

It ends up working because this is a TV show. A TV show with lazy writers.

He went after her. Okay. And she'd let him in, just like that, all forgiven. After, you know-- webbing her up and being all evil and such. Uh huh.

Oh yeah, but he's not evil anymore-- he lost his power for about a half hour! >.<

Jesus, people.

to vadim... I dont think her legs are actually broken. Just not strong enough (muscles, tissue all weak and not working as they should) so her power might just be super strength in her legs causing every thing to work better be stronger and causing her to run like hell

1. Hiro is 10, he's only following the comic

2. Who knows.

3. He wanted to show her he got rid of his ability that why he ran when he discovered that it came back
3.1. When Pinehurst sent her away they gave her papers money and probaly set her up with a place close by

4. As it is in Comics Speedsters can recover from damage to there body pretty fast. As she gain Super seed her body started to heal itself

5. Dont beleive it. Maybe it'll be explain down the line.

The funny thing about the smoke monsters and polar bears is that they actually SUCCEEDED in making a large audience suspend their disbelief-- it isn't the PLOT POINT ***DELETED***, its the EXECUTION. Of course, the fact that you point out plot point and don't realize superior execution shows this will be lost on you anyway..

And I brought up Enemy specifically because its a cancelled show that executes better than Heroes does.

Bad writing plus blind faith = show that slides on fanboyism alone. Now that Clairemont's fired, I'm curious about the next season (which, I'm sure, will have a smaller budget) but I'm writing this one off.




I'd also like to remind everyone that this is the show that completely threw out Pete's Irish future girlfriend, never to be heard from again-- as well as the New Orleans crew-- so everyone screaming "wait and see, they'll explain it, they'll explain it---" I wouldn't be so sure..

if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

There's really no point in arguing which show forces you to suspend belief more. I agree that Lost is a far superior show, but that's kinda irrelevant, I think.

Peter's girlfriend was caught in a future that no longer exists. How would he even know where to look?

The New Orleans people went back to their lives after Niki died. They didn't show it, I suppose, but it's safe to assume.

lost is way better than heroes. eh, hopefully these two episodes were the last of these badly written eps/

Don't feed the troll! People will always complain! Notice, it always come from the same people!

''Oh no, Sylar is good now! Bad writing'' That's what they were saying!
''Oh no, Sylar is bad now! Bad writing'' Is what they are saying now!

They will always find something to complain about and, the must funny thing, is that even if what they complain about is solved in a future episode, they complain about it again!

For the answers:

1- The Comic Book always gived clues. They predict the future, they show the way. It would actually be stupid of them for not trying.
2- He went bad again! He went from no-hunger to hunger-back again, and the doubts Noah have put in his head is not helping! Why do you complaining about that? You liked goody-Gabriel? I thought haters hated this aspect of this season!
3- He cares for her
3.2- Why elsewhere? She could be anywhere on the planet. She choosed New Jersey, deal with it!
4- It's a power! How does Hiro travel throught time, or Matt read minds, or Peter absorbs ability, or the Haitian has 2 powers, one anhiliating power and one memory-erasing power, etc. I don't see why you need to question this. Evolution tends to gives us advantages in life, to compensate for our weaknesses. Daphne could barely move, thus, Evolution gaved her high-momentum!
5- It changed only 3 times. Moreover, considering he sees the future, he may have saw the solving of the two first cases (aka the Nuclear-Man and the Virus), and the consequence of it (the actual scenario). Time is a complex thing, it's not as simple as you put it! You have to think about it!

this whole season has been pointless and confusing overall

I'm all for examining this season with a critical eye, but I was just glad that there were lots of action-packed scenes that held my attention in this one. When Hiro teleported into the Bennet home I actually sat up on the couch and became intensely interested in what was happening.

I do think that "The Eclipse: Part II" was kind of convoluted. This whole season could be characterized that way, though, which is why I'm not ready to jump on the hate bandwagon for this episode. It did a few things right and a few things wrong, which is about par for the course right now.

I am really liking this story arc but I don't understand the reason for the comic book. What happened to figuring things our through investigation? This is like a cheat sheet. There was no reason to introduce the comic again. It made a serious story silly. I wonder if the final comic they will find with the bicycle messenger will be called Fugitives.

They kind of need the cheat sheet at this point, though, don't you think? The writers really dragged their feet getting to this point (eleven episodes into a thirteen episode arc and something of consequence might finally happen soon), so now Hiro needs a trail map to make sure everybody gets where they need to go before these last two episodes, which had better be spectacular, by the way.

And neat idea about the real final chapter of 9th Wonders having the title "Fugitives." Hey, maybe YOU should write for this show. ;/

Yes, but I wish they discovered a hidden file on Kaito's computer with information about Claire being the catalyst and where her current location was, and all about the exhange on the rooftop. That would have been better than a frame by frame version of this season in a few comic books. The company should have been aware of this comic. They would have known Arthur's plan a month earlier. Hiro goes to Africa to find out something he could have read in a comic earlier. For that matter he could have learned the Claire stuff in his Africa vision and his memory could have returned when the eclipse ended. There are a dozen ways to do the same thing without the introducing the comic.

1 - Duhhhhhh. The comic book had him there with Claire so he is following the comic book because they think he is supposed to and he's trying to get his memory back. Try watching next week when they finish the scene and you might learn something about why it was important for them to go there.

2 - First of all, the scene isn't finished. It was a cliffhanger scene so he hasn't necessarily killed her yet. There was an episode that ended with Ando dying and that turned out not to be the case. Plus, the guy is psychopath that just found out (or thinks he found out, depends on whether HRG was lying) that he's been manipulated by the Petrellis and that Elle knows something about it. He's ticked off and taking his revenge on her.

3 - Duhhhhh again. Mohinder's power was gone so he thought he was cured and that Maya would look at him differently. That's why he hid and left when he realized his power, with its side-effects, was back.

3.1 - Pinehurst is in New Jersey. Where else was she supposed to go? She killed all of her family and friends when her power first manifested, except for her brother and Sylar killed him. There was nothing back home for her. Arthur Petrelli (despite his twisted ways sometimes) likes specials and tries to help them. Perhaps they set up her up with an apartment and a new life, particularly since her address was found by Mohinder at Pinehearst so they knew where she was living.

4 - Triple duhhhhh. Her cerebral palsy causes her to have trouble moving her limbs, she can only move them slowly and with difficulty. Her superspeed allows her to move her limbs very, very fast. A speedster, even cerebral palsy, still moves her limbs at a very high rate. So she might be a little slower than a speedster without cerebral palsy but not enough that we would notice it with the naked the eye.

5 - So let me get this straight. You don't have a hard time believing that people can fly, turn invisible, run at superspeed, heal themselves from all wounds, move things with their minds, etc. but you DO have a hard time believing that Isaac could paint the future? For crying out loud, it's a superhero, comic book show. Almost everything that Isaac painted has happened, even if it didn't exactly end up the way they thought it would (Sylar killed a cheerleader, it was just a different cheerleader..HRG was shot in the eye but healed...etc.). Also, Isaac painted the explosion on his floor but he also painted/drew the way to stop Sylar which he even told Sylar before Sylar killed him. Did the future ever really change or did the heroes make assumptions about the paintings and how the future would turn out and those assumptions proved to be incorrect? Either way, if you're nitpicking over this, then you're taking things WAY too seriously and probably are incapable of enjoying a show like this.


If the writers have to explain every single character thought, action, motive, etc. with exposition and dialogue then the 1 hour show would be 8 hours long each episode. It just takes a little imagination and thought to figure these things out and connect the dots. Too often, people don't even try to figure out what's going on because they'd rather just complain and bash the show when they'd don't get spoonfed information.

you realize you are calling a show where people can do about anything unrealistic right? lol




only confusing to people who do not pay attention or are just idiots.

Isaac drew pictures for every single time frame that occured in season 1 and they all came true. So for 5 I guess the answer would be yes.

I think I must have missed the part of the episode where Maya actually saw Mohinder and flipped out and didn't let him back into her apartment. OH WAIT. That's because it never happened since Mohinder chickened out at the last minute and hid. Oops, my bad.

I kind of agree with all of the stuff about the comic books, though.

3. He apparently has feeling for her other then lust and maybe feels bad for attacking and imprisoning her. He wanted to see her all scale free.

Arthur gave Maya an American passport, lots of cash, credit cards and I guess an apartment. I think Montville is a nice area right? He liked her

LMAO! That does sound lame.
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That's sci-fi, it could end up being stupid sci-fi, but not an example of bad writing. An example of bad writing would be:

Ando seeing the "Ando Open" message on the handle of a sword that nobody in the Linderman museum noticed.

TK'ing a vault door open rather than phasing through it. The point was to keep the virus contained not exposed it to the open.

Using a comic book to tell Hiro to do next. The entire comic reading universe would know what needs to be done next but the people in the comic and the company aren't even aware of it's existence. A google search of Isaac Menendez would show anyone the comics he did. At least have these discovered in a safe somewhere.

No explanation about Caitlin or Pandora's Box. The day he stopped the virus future he should have at least mentioned her name. All he had to do was call Ireland and have her pick up the phone and hang up on her. People will be watching this show in syndication one day and the Pandora's box and Caitlin will make no sense to them. Caitlin was a cliffhanger episode and a few episodes later she's forgotten.

A separation and a restraining order on Nathan while he is near death in a hospital bed. 7 days after being cured by Adam he has a 3 month beard and after seven days of drinking loses his family.


I like the show but some of this stuff is not thought out well.

I'm not a huge fan of this episode, but I don't thin these are the reasons



We will find out next week.



It was a bit sick and sudden, but Sylar pretty much just killed his entire future and any chance of becoming that man we met in the future. And sometimes actors want to do movies and there isn't much the show can do about it expect try and use it to push along the story of a main regular character - and maybe more will be learned next week.



As, Pinehearst is in NJ she didn't have to go far.



I think there's a bit of suspension of disbelief - how does Hiro teleport? Her feet we're made fast and "magic' I have no problem beliving it gave her the abliity to walk as much as someone's blood can heal someone.



Yes, the future keeps changing, which means there is one timeline and all that other stuff NEVER HAPPENED, no one remembers, except time travels like Peter, but Clarie doesnt' remember being dead before Peter saved her or any of it - therefore Issac was still painting the future.



I agree, but not for these reasons.

I dont get it Renrut, *********the next minute you hate it. Make up your mind please. ktnxbi

Please show me ******. I like the show there are parts I have problems with. I'm here complaining every week about something. If I completely hated the show I would certainly not bother coming here, nor would I watch it. The reasons above are most of my complaints.

I left out how much I hated Hiro being the Kensei legend. We know on this show that timelines have existed without time travellers from the future being involved. There had to be a timeline where Adam existed and was the Kensei legend.

2. Like others mentioned, the scene really didn't finish, it looked like he looked up at someone, I also don't remember him ever stopping while head chopping and as if taxed. I have a feeling he's trying to get information out of her, she also didn't scream like we've heard people scream while thier head is being lopped off. She just kinda whimpered... Anyway.

5. I think the point is that he can painted possible futures, the explosion on the floor of his flat never happened that way. I think it would be cool if someone took over 9th Wonders and is leading the heroes on some self destructive path because they are following it unquestionably, I mean how bad would it be if the someone that wanted Claire just took her as an infant and let fly all the cloak and dagger and took bits of her blood over the years to work the formula once she manifested? Anyway, I ramble.

Still it would be cool if they were being manipulated via the comic book by someone other than Issak.

So.....did you make up your mind yet?

Dude, Maya is A WANTED MURDER SUSPECT in Mexico. A ****** MURDERER.

Make it up about what? I like the show but hate some elements of it. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I liked the first Spider-man movie too but I hated the Green Goblin costume. In the third movie I hated them making Sandman the killer of Uncle Ben but I still bought the DVD.

The way you say things, when you say good things you defend it with your life, like its your child. When you talk crap you sound like your fat and someone ate your cake..extremely angry.

Find one post where I defend it with my life. I think you have me confused with someone else. The only time I've ever done what you described was a long thread about time travel and the Kensei sword. Both were hardly positive threads. Find me one of these "good things" I defend with my life. I doubt I've made one 100% positve post this season. I've been mad ever since the first Behind the Eclipse of this season said they made a mistake when Hiro's sword got magically repaired between the time Ando found the notes in the handle and Hiro coming back from the 1600's. If you search through every positive thread you won't see me there and if you see me in the negative threads I'm never defending the show.

Im not gonna look through 1,000 posts just to look for them. You can do that yourself.

Then why come on with your 6th post and attack me for something that isn't true. I have never done what you said. You probably read of the fanboy replies to one of my negative posts and thought it was me. What you said was insulting and not true. I've only made 150 or so posts this season. Why not look back that far? I have done nothing but complain about things wrong with the show this season. I have never said anything positive and never defended anything positive like "I'm fat and someone at my cake". Just find one post of this kind and I'll apologize to you and the whole board. You accused me of something and now you say you don't feel like proving what you say. What if someone did that to you? Just find one post where I "say good things you defend it with your life, like its your child." That shouldn't be hard if you're correct.

Geee, I guess yelling through the door wasn't enough for you--- that's right, folks, Maya's super power is the ONLY REASON she can distinguish voices and once the eclipse happened, that ability was gone!



renrut is what you call an ACTUAL FAN-- not a fanboy. You know, people who like a show while retaining critical thinking facilities? That seems to be getting rare, these days..

This is a silly post. And we always have them every week.

Obviously the writers arent going to put something in there and never explain it.

Its called wait til next Monday.

Wait, what? When did she yell through the door? I must have missed that. I'll have to go back and rewatch that scene.

Edit: I know he went back to Maya's apt., but I can't find the scene on the NBC rewind thing. Grrr.

Yeah. She was like "Just a minute!"
When I first saw him outside her door I figured the eclipse would have given her back her power and he woulda went all poisony followed by a "go away mohinder!" (PLEASE DO!) Then I figured she was grabbing a gun.

Caitlin, Pandora's Box...

You're a smart person. Thank you for speaking some sense! People where whining and moaning about how Sylar was all of a sudden good and then a week later -- when it is revealed that he isn't all that much of a hero -- they moan about how he's bad. Make up your minds, please?

Also, has anyone else noticed that all of the precogs on the show never see a continuous vision? What I mean is, they either see a cause or an effect but never both. Who knows if the New York explosion that didn't end up happening was actually what Isaac painted. What if it is something that is still going to happen? Also, Angela complained about how FPeter "changed everything" but we've seen that her visions are just glimpses and not necessarily in depth nor is she shown what had caused what happened. Maybe I'm just rambling but of all the precogs we've seen so far have not had the ability to see WHAT they want or the knowledge to connect what they've painted to an event (or at least concretely and definitely).