Heroes Writing Staff -
Please give Sylar a clear through line. I could get into a Sylar redemption story, it just happened
too quickly. The Canadian "previously on" for some episode showed a scene between Angela and
Sylar in a study, a scene edited out. Those are the scenes that should be there. And now Sylar's
reversion to evil ****** is equally sudden. He just decides "well, I am who I am" and that's it.
Whether Sylar is good or bad, it doesn't matter. Just make it a good story. And right now, the plot
is just leading Sylar around by the nose. I don't even care whether he's really a Petrelli. You've
got Sylar's character turning on a dime every other episode.
Just had to get that off my chest.
QUOTE (Matchstk @ Dec 2 2008, 02:01 AM) 
Yes... some consistency would be good. I'm all for making a character like Sylar more complicated or well-rounded but you can't change everything all the time. What made Sylar a good character in S1 despite his relative lack of back story was that he took his psychopathic killer thing and RAN WITH IT. I was totally expecting them to take Sylar's redemption arc and RUN WITH IT. It would have been more convincing if there was actual follow through instead of this bipolar BS that we keep getting. It's kinda like telling a joke-- when you have to explain it, you ruin the joke. It's hard to keep suspending your disbelief when you find yourself constantly having to find/figure out an explanation for an inconsistency or plothole ALL THE FREAKING TIME. And this is coming from someone who really really wants to enjoy S3 and it took up till now for me to really start ragging on Heroes.
As I said on the SArmy board:
No inconsistencies, just good ol' Sylar.
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Whoa! I'm SO glad we got our Sylar back!
It might have seemed a bit rushed, but I don't think it really was. Now I think Sylar was there all along, and 'momma's boy', 'daddy's boy', 'boy in love' etc. were just masks he had to put in order to get others' attenion, it fits perfectly with his S1 attitude, when he also had to put various masks in order to impress someone. He might not have been manipulative all the time, but he wasn't also fully trusting anyone. Whether he wanted to change or not, I think he just wanted to know if he COULD change, he wanted to test his limits.
This episode also reminds me so much of 'The Hard Part' when he was this close and then he snapped, so nothing's been OOC for Sylar so far.
As for baby Noah, well I don't think they really teased us with that, it was well shown that it was an alternate future that had to be stopped, I never thought it would happen anyway so I'm not dissapointed at all. It was just the fans' wishful thinking that Sylar and Elle would get married and have a baby because everyone thought it'd be CUUUTE, but if you think about it, if that really happened, we would have no Sylar anymore. His story would have been wrapped up and they'd be all wrtitten off the show.
I'm happy with knowing that Sylar IS ABLE to master his urges, but that he chooses not to and I was glad when he said that he was like HRG, because I think that's a hint that Sylar will always be morally grey.
As for killing Elle, it might have been revenge because she lied to him about his parents, or maybe even a new found hunger. Remember when Peter just got the hunger, he tried to slice Nathan's and Angela's head, although he already had those powers, but he said he needed 'to understand' their secrets.
Everything makes perfect sense, but I agree, if they ever try to redeem Sylar again, I'll go crazy, lol.
It might have seemed a bit rushed, but I don't think it really was. Now I think Sylar was there all along, and 'momma's boy', 'daddy's boy', 'boy in love' etc. were just masks he had to put in order to get others' attenion, it fits perfectly with his S1 attitude, when he also had to put various masks in order to impress someone. He might not have been manipulative all the time, but he wasn't also fully trusting anyone. Whether he wanted to change or not, I think he just wanted to know if he COULD change, he wanted to test his limits.
This episode also reminds me so much of 'The Hard Part' when he was this close and then he snapped, so nothing's been OOC for Sylar so far.
As for baby Noah, well I don't think they really teased us with that, it was well shown that it was an alternate future that had to be stopped, I never thought it would happen anyway so I'm not dissapointed at all. It was just the fans' wishful thinking that Sylar and Elle would get married and have a baby because everyone thought it'd be CUUUTE, but if you think about it, if that really happened, we would have no Sylar anymore. His story would have been wrapped up and they'd be all wrtitten off the show.
I'm happy with knowing that Sylar IS ABLE to master his urges, but that he chooses not to and I was glad when he said that he was like HRG, because I think that's a hint that Sylar will always be morally grey.
As for killing Elle, it might have been revenge because she lied to him about his parents, or maybe even a new found hunger. Remember when Peter just got the hunger, he tried to slice Nathan's and Angela's head, although he already had those powers, but he said he needed 'to understand' their secrets.
Everything makes perfect sense, but I agree, if they ever try to redeem Sylar again, I'll go crazy, lol.
No inconsistencies, just good ol' Sylar.
If "good ol' Sylar" means the boring two-dimensional villain that boiled down to nothing but *headslice* *take power*, I don't want him back. Seasons two and three, in their own rights, have tried to give the character depth, make him a character that people won't hate for being useless. And the reason for that is the immense amounts of fan support he gets. SArmy, you're the only reason he's still around, most likely, and if he goes back to that character from season one that was starting to get really boring, we know who to blame.
QUOTE (kainee @ Dec 2 2008, 01:18 AM)
Yes... some consistency would be good. I'm all for making a character like Sylar more complicated or well-rounded but you can't change everything all the time. What made Sylar a good character in S1 despite his relative lack of back story was that he took his psychopathic killer thing and RAN WITH IT. I was totally expecting them to take Sylar's redemption arc and RUN WITH IT. It would have been more convincing if there was actual follow through instead of this bipolar BS that we keep getting. It's kinda like telling a joke-- when you have to explain it, you ruin the joke. It's hard to keep suspending your disbelief when you find yourself constantly having to find/figure out an explanation for an inconsistency or plothole ALL THE FREAKING TIME. And this is coming from someone who really really wants to enjoy S3 and it took up till now for me to really start ragging on Heroes.
Hear hear!
He was never a two-dimensional head-slicer. Even in S1, he always had his inner conflict about who he wanted to be. Rewatch S1, especially 'Six Months Ago' and 'The Hard Part' and you'll see why a lot of people like him and why is he still around.
I have. Which is why I bought into the Sylar redemption arc because I did re-watch Season 1. I totally saw how he could have felt guilt and conflict as evidenced by his "I have sinned" and "Forgive me" scrawled in blood in his lil secret room, the Sylar message on Chandra's answering machine and his whole thing with his mom. But even S1 or S2 Sylar at his flakiest didn't change on a whim like he seems to this season. I bought that it was a steady progression from Gabriel Gray into Sylar and it was jarring to be brought back to Gabriel Gray just because we're so used to Sylar but even so, there needs to be justification for all of this change. But then all this investment in the new storyline is apparently for nothing because PSYCH, we were just (messing) with you. That's just fantastic.
You also assume that I'm one of the people who want to kill Sylar off or hate him and frankly, I'm not. I wanted him to stay but for him to stay, he needs to evolve as a character. But for him to successfully evolve, there still needs to be a core that remains the same. Otherwise, you might as well replace him with a completely new character.
It's not 3-dimensional of a character to flip flop the way he has and excuse it by saying HE HAS ISSUES. It's just lazy writing.
You also assume that I'm one of the people who want to kill Sylar off or hate him and frankly, I'm not. I wanted him to stay but for him to stay, he needs to evolve as a character. But for him to successfully evolve, there still needs to be a core that remains the same. Otherwise, you might as well replace him with a completely new character.
It's not 3-dimensional of a character to flip flop the way he has and excuse it by saying HE HAS ISSUES. It's just lazy writing.
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i don't really like evil head slicing sylar. but i didn't like obedient manipulated sylar either. i liked hot sylar and waffle sylar ;D
Only the die hard fanboys wouldn't be bothered with the ridiculous story of Sylar so far this season.
"Inner conflict" doesn't mean crappy, 'what the hell did he do that for' style writing. It's like the writers can't make up their minds, so Sylar keeps doing implausible things because the writers haven't laid the foundation for them.
"Inner conflict" doesn't mean crappy, 'what the hell did he do that for' style writing. It's like the writers can't make up their minds, so Sylar keeps doing implausible things because the writers haven't laid the foundation for them.
Chill kainee, I'm not trying to "recruit" you, lol. I guess we just disagree so whatever.
ClayAikenRocks, I'd rather see how the story unfolds and then comment on this season writing. I didn't like some S3 stuff either (Sylar/Elle) but I'm not calling it "crappy writing". At least not yet.
"Good writing" does not mean you'll get every answer (or understand every character's motive) immediately.
ClayAikenRocks, I'd rather see how the story unfolds and then comment on this season writing. I didn't like some S3 stuff either (Sylar/Elle) but I'm not calling it "crappy writing". At least not yet.
"Good writing" does not mean you'll get every answer (or understand every character's motive) immediately.
Prefer him to be bad but they have really screwed about with his character this season. It wasn't very convincing when Angela recruited him so easily and same again when Arthur did it. His empathy for Elle seemed rather forced than him genuinely caring about her.
I think Sylar's been showing so many different persoanlities because he doesn't have one of his own. It seems that anyone who stands up to him is able to make him believe that he is whoever they want him to be. For Angela he was the "good" mama's boy, for Arthur he was the dutiful son until Elle told him that he's supposed to be "bad." The only reason he made the shift at the end of the episode is becuase HRG told him that Angela and Arthur lied to him and he's a cold blooded killer.
I suppose it's like Nathan not being able to determine who he is but to a much more extreme level.
I suppose it's like Nathan not being able to determine who he is but to a much more extreme level.
QUOTE (Matchstk @ Dec 2 2008, 08:01 AM)
Heroes Writing Staff -
Please give Sylar a clear through line. I could get into a Sylar redemption story, it just happened
too quickly. The Canadian "previously on" for some episode showed a scene between Angela and
Sylar in a study, a scene edited out. Those are the scenes that should be there. And now Sylar's
reversion to evil ****** is equally sudden. He just decides "well, I am who I am" and that's it.
Whether Sylar is good or bad, it doesn't matter. Just make it a good story. And right now, the plot
is just leading Sylar around by the nose. I don't even care whether he's really a Petrelli. You've
got Sylar's character turning on a dime every other episode.
Just had to get that off my chest.
Please give Sylar a clear through line. I could get into a Sylar redemption story, it just happened
too quickly. The Canadian "previously on" for some episode showed a scene between Angela and
Sylar in a study, a scene edited out. Those are the scenes that should be there. And now Sylar's
reversion to evil ****** is equally sudden. He just decides "well, I am who I am" and that's it.
Whether Sylar is good or bad, it doesn't matter. Just make it a good story. And right now, the plot
is just leading Sylar around by the nose. I don't even care whether he's really a Petrelli. You've
got Sylar's character turning on a dime every other episode.
Just had to get that off my chest.
Sylar is Heroes version of Lord of the Rings Gollum! Power is his Precious!!
It's called manipulation. And it's something someone like Sylar is highly susceptible to.
(Yes, he's wavering between Killing and Not Killing, but that's already been addressed in-show.)
(Yes, he's wavering between Killing and Not Killing, but that's already been addressed in-show.)
As I see it, he was a normal human being for a few minutes, then the hunger came back in full force following the eclipse, and he can't control it.
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