Well, now Kristen and all the people who hated Maya know how we felt when Sylar did her in. But she lives !!

Yeah. HAHAAHHHHHHHaaahahhdhehehheehehehehhfhhahoooohooooaaaa

But I'm not really gloating. Because I love Elle. I loved her before most people did and not just because she's a pretty blonde. She's tragic and I love that.

And I don't want to see Elle die. And though some of us who've seen the photo of Sylar holding an apparently dead Elle and pouring lighter fluid over her (where'd he get that?) she still may yet survive.

Come to think of it I don't want anyone Sylar gets romantically involved with Elle, Maya, Mohinder (if that can be proven and shown on Broadcast television) or the teen Sylar has slung over his shoulder while in SWAT gear that teen Sylar to die.

I'm getting tired of all the romances on this show ending in death or characters being disappeared like Caitlan.

They could have at least one carry on. Sylar and Elle would be fine with me--which wouldn't mean he couldn't cheat with Maya and/or others.

Anyway what was clear to me and not to others in hysterics on the Kristin Eonline Heroes REDUX comments board
that no one realized Sylar's IA kicking in.

The last shot of Sylar is of his eyes rolling up into his head as if he were struggling to stop himself from needlessly killing her.

QUESTIONS I HAVE

He's got her power. Why would he kill her?

Arthur said his killing was about a desire for powers how come he was able to control it in the room with Elle and not when he was alone on the beach with Elle? He had his powers then? What changed? Was doubt that Elle might not be telling him the truth about his parentage enough to make him want to kill her?

I'm going to re-watch and see if there are other clues.

Actually Arthur said that the hunger had nothing to do with killing, but with "power", not powers. Remember that future Gabriel said that he had a hunger to know more, and that led him to become a killer. KNowledge is power, he has a need to know about reasons, intentions, about the truth, about how things work; he's obsessed with it, basically the same way that Peter cut open future Nathan's head even if he didn't need to to get his power, he needed to know what he was planning and his intentions.
Obviously Sylar didn't kill Elle for her power, he doesn't need to kill anymore to obtain powers, so I'm actually fascinated with finding out what his new motivation is, and I'm pretty certain we'll find out soon

I know Arthur said "power". I put "powers" to distinguish between the feeling of power and the coveted abilities Sylar used to kill for.

So you're saying that because neither Gabriel or Peter could judge or fully comprehend what Nathan or Elle might be thinking or planning. As a result both Peter and Gabriel try to literally get into the minds of the people who they each love who were frustrating them--Nathan and Elle. Excellent point.

You answered your own question. Gabriel was trying to do to Elle what Peter tried to do Nathan. I hope he hasn't killed Elle, but it doesn't look good. He's going to wake up find her lying there and cry like a baby. And then what?

Good on you mrcaliche for recognizing and remembering this call back to episode 4 "I am Become Death".
This is particularly insightful when you consider that's the episode in which we meet little Noah, whom everyone assumes is Elle's baby.

The scene on the beach where Gabriel turns on Elle making a call back to the cruelty of Gabriel's "Sylar" persona at possibly being decieved and lied to not valuing himself or Elle. "Damaged goods." he calls himself and Elle. The self-loathing Sylar returns. The possibility she may not be telling him the whole truth brings out the Sylar in Gabriel.

that whole "lighter fluid" thing shows how lazy the writers really are

He has healing blood, he once got his powers back by injecting himself with that same healing blood (so he knows the blood of people that can heal , heals things)

All he has to do is slit his wrist and let it run all over her wound

Actually we don't know if he has magical blood because Adam and Claire are the only ones who have been proven to have magical blood whereas the people who also have their abilities got them through power absorption and also have other abilities coded into their DNA. We have no idea if that would corrupt the magical-ness of Peter, Arthur or Sylar's blood at all or if it's simply having the self-healing ability that makes the blood magical.

And yeah, if he wanted to kill her, Sylar could have been way more efficient about it. I don't care what others say about his usual MO-- doesn't anyone remember in S1 how much of a big deal the FBI made about how they never know how he'll strike? He only scalped the people he wanted to steal abilities from, with everyone else, it was a crap shoot how he killed them.

Exactly, kainee about Sylar's blood. Yet, we can hope, darkcervantes, those of us who care about Elle, maybe he is able to heal her with his blood.

People all over the internet are really upset and the reviewers appear ****** off. There are a lot of people who love Kristen Bell out there.

But as mrcaliche said, Sylar's cutting Elle's head had nothing to do with wanting to take powers but instead, like Peter killing Future Nathan, but a desire to know what she knows about his past and doubt and her sudden fear of him triggered his own self-doubt and self-loathing and deep insecurity that he called himself and Elle "damaged goods" unable to really change.

We can only hope he wakes up and is able to save her before its too late.

As I said in another thread, I actually think it was a brave move from Kring and the writers to kill Elle, it's kind of a very Wheddon-esque way of telling viewers "WE DON'T HAVE TO DO WHATEVER YOU FREAKIN' WANT, THIS IS A SERIES, NOT A FANFIC!", and I definitely respect them for doing this. Of course, there's always the chance Sylar didn't actually kill her. Man, from the moment I saw them getting chummy I was 100% certain he'd kill her, I don't know why everyone's so shocked. I'm actually interested in knowing where this is heading, I watch Heroes for Heroes, not for one recurring character.

Why is everyone so upset?

a)Yeah, if you think people can't change, of course, you could expect Gabriel's Sylar persona is going to emerge eventually (not what we're shown in episode 4. with Little Noah, BTW. Yeah I know its a future that looks like it won't happen but it was showing us who Sylar could be. But maybe he does save her. I love Maya and I want him to save Elle.)

Its still a downer and saying Sylar can't change. For all his intelligence, and for all he really is as Gabriel at base nature. At base we are shown that Sylar IS NOT a psycho. He's a gentle, pained soul who felt powerless and wanted Elle's and his parents love. Nothing abnormal there and was cruelly manipulated for the interests of the Company and possibly HRG (doing his job) and the Petrelli family.

(Its also not true. People can change and do. They grow up. They change there ways eventually or kill themselves with drink or drugs or remain in jail if they don't change.

We know even criminals eventually age out of being criminals and some do change there ways very quickly after being caught. Depending on the crime.)

b)You'd have to have a heart of stone or be very young not to be touched (and male) by the way Gabriel clearly adores Elle and was willing to die for her. And does. And then suddenly tries to kill her, his cruel "Sylar" persona re-emerging.

c)Its Sylar's own insecurity activated by HRG about his parentage, what Elle knows and if she is hiding something that self-doubt and self-loathing and Elle's sudden fear of him that causes him to try to literally "get inside her mind". The way Sylar of old used to.


That's why. And also everyone loves Kristen Bell.

I have no problem with the writers going there. I agree it was brave to do it and heartrending. I want to see what happens. If Kristen Bell is dead there may be some ratings drop for the show.

That's why everyone hopes magic blood--Clair's or Sylar's is able to revive her. She doesn't have to be on the show she can go into hiding. HRG still has a vendetta against her. So it would make sense if Gabriel were to hide her after reviving her.

I watch "Heroes" for what it tells me about the joys and pitfalls of being a "Hero".

I love ferreting out the metaphors.

I understand that, but saying there'll be a ratings drop because Kriten Bell might be dead is pretty much devaluing everything the show stands for it's basically saying her character carried the entire show on her shoulders and that the show has no value on its own. There was a big outrage when Adam died, but that doesn't mean people stopped watching. I actually love the way Sylar/Gabriel has been handled this season, so to me it's not upsetting that he had this sudden relapse into evil Sylar again, it's part of the arc the character's been going through this whole season, and Elle is ONE character, not the whole show.

I totally enjoy the Gabriel/Sylar turn in his character and how its handled. But people will be disappointed not only if Elle dies because it means Sylar can't change but because they're so invested in both Elle and Sylar it hurts.

You have to look a demographics and take into account. If you turn off a segment of what remains of very average ratings you're going to get a ratings drop.

Heroes is both sci-fi and character drama and most people prefer character drama over the sci-fi. Character drama is about relationships between people.

In any case I have some spoilers to post about Elle. For those who don't know, you can read them if you use the "quote" and "reply" buttons**

According to HeroesTelevision Elle is not dead.

http://www.heroestelevision.com/warning-ma...ers-and-rumors/

Daphne is not going to die either. Yeah! I love her, too.

Now that Maya, Elle and Daphne are safe. At least into Fugitives, I can get on with my own creative work.



EDIT by wolfbro: ** A far easier way to read blacked out text is to simply click and hold the your mouse and then highlight the hidden text.

Given the way ppl have been "dying" & then being revealed to be alive, I don't think that Elle's dead. In fact, looking at how Sylar breaks down crying while in the middle of slicing her head open I think he stopped short of actually killing her. But c'mon, Heroes is like a Soap-no one ever stays dead long--Ando, Claire, Sylar, Matt, Arthur, I could go on...

Huh, he was crying? I thought that he stopped to break out the crazy Sylar eyes?

I don't think ANY of you realize just how much anger this has generated. And Bell HAS carried the show on her back for most of the last month. Look at Eris Quod Sum, Villains and especially It's Coming. This is Adam times 100. It will have an impact on ratings. E!, TV Without Pity (despite their efforts to 'boards on boards' i.e. suppress discussion of it), SpoilerTV, The ODI forums and who knows where else. This is like touching a third rail. I can't believe that with barely half the day over on the west coast, that Kring and his minions aren't thinking, ******, did we eff up or what?

When that recurring character has been the one thing that kept a fair number of people coming back, and now she's dead, then the people whose job it is to produce the show have a serious problem. The goodwill is gone. This is a show that has hemorrhaged viewers since the September premiere. It barely beat out a rerun of Worst Week last night. This could be the last straw, the final stress fracture that drives them away. I've been a fan since Genesis, the first episode. And I have spectacularly little incentive to tune in next Monday to see maybe 30 seconds of a Gandhi-esque funeral pyre for Elle. The wheels have come off Heroes, and the last of those dislodged last night.

I've got nothing against Elle, but they've killed off, or just forgotten about, better characters than her.

She's probably not dead, anyway.

I still think people are being overly dramatic. I used to be a die-hard Buffy fan. When they killed Tara, there was basically a fan outcry that announced the death of the show... and it was mostly a bunch of freaking out over nothing, as it led into one of the best seasons of the show. This is fanboy-drama at its best, and I think people are placing too much importance on one character thinking everyone feels the same way about that character.
Yes, I love Elle, but if I survived thinking for about 10 minutes that HRG was dead in Season 2, I can totally move past this.

Tara...
Anya...
Buffy (the show)...

Ahh, good times. Angel was good too.

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Bakc on topic:
I think Elle's dead, sadly. She was awesome, yes, but at least we have two brilliant replacements this season in Tracy, and Daphne.

I don't think that Elle's dead. Not that this is concrete evidence but the background music was different than it usually is when Sylar kills someone.

I don't think its "overly dramatic" to think if Kristen Bell's character dies they might lose some ratings points. Remember Kristen is much beloved by males and females alike. So there it is. I don't think it will kill the show, though.

However from what I've read I don't think she'll die--though I'm not a 100% on that. But we all saw HRG shot and he came back.

I've got all the Season 3 on my desktop and Sylar did not break down crying. He merely was able to stop himself from cutting her and we saw his eyes rolled up in his head struggling with himself.

I think mrcaliche is right about the level of fan anger over KB. There are over 200 comments on Kristen's E! on line board.

I think also we should remember that KB is very expensive and is in incredible demand for films. I think the NBC suits are trying to weigh the cost of possibly dropping her relative to what it might mean for their ratings and the over all word of mouth concerning the series.

They can't afford a bigger drop in ratings when its been holding steady for the last couple of weeks. Though its low compared to Seasons 1&2.

I think Magic blood and love just may prevail.

Oh, and if you don't want her to die, e-mail, phone and write. It always helps.

Watch Sylar's face when he is doing the head cutting, he stops. He sighs and stops for some reason.

Did he find out what he needed to know?
Did he just kill her?
Did he decide he could not kill her?

Why the look?

I don't think it's overly dramatic either, but I think people are being a bit fatalistic about it about it as well. Obviously, people who loved Kristen Bell's character (which most likely followed after the actress from her VM days) will turn away, but really, if at this point Kristen Bell is the only thing keeping a person watching this show, then perhaps they should start thinking about finding something more productive, or at least more entertaining to do on mondays at 9.

If she did die, then it was rushed, it was forced and it made little sense, but at least it was bold. It's a good way for the writers and Kring to tell the fans "Step the f*** back, this is a show, not ****** fanfiction!" so I applaud it.

On the other hand, if she didn't die it'll just make a lot of people roll their eyes and go "There it goes again... *Sigh*".

Bottom line is, it's hard to tell which is worst. I do think, however, that if the second occurs, it'll only help to further damage the credibility of the show. And if it's the first, then it is a bold move, if nothing else.

I hope elle is dead.

Kristen Bell is a great actor but the character of Elle is pretty played out.

240 comments and climbing on Heroes Redux - just checked it before I posted. It's not that Kristen's leaving the show because of her movie career; that was always a given. It's HOW Elle was sent away that is fueling this protest. What's done is done; they can't edit next week's episode since it's already locked in.

She won't do it, but if ever there was a moment for a Kathering Heigl throwing-the-stupid-writers-under-the-nearest-bus moment, this is it. Would *you* do it, though?

We hang in there because we keep hoping for the show to improve, number 1 and to enjoy Kristen's performances (especially in It's Coming), second.

But now that she's gone, there's not much left of this broken season so far to salvage. When Kristin dos Santos says about a 'blonde cover-up', wouldn't the most likely candidate for that be Daphne, as in faking her own death so Papa Petrelli doesn't come after her? It's been confirmed Daphne, no matter how I think she's Maya 2.0 on the annoyance scale, is vertical well into the Fugitives arc.

It comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils. The die is cast already, as Elle is dead. Do they want to risk a viewer exodus and make it stick, or do they somehow explain things away (less likely) that will appease most of the fans in revolt right now?


Aaah...sorry, mods.

I don't think she's dead, I think they just want to scare us as they did with HRG to make sure we tune in and find out.

I mean its a hook we keep falling for. I was really upset at the thought of losing HRG, so I don't think its going to happen.

I think Elle gets saved and she goes underground for a while (so KB can do some films).

But I do think NBC suits are weighing the cost of her contract against the cost of letting an expensive but popular actress go.

In the end her popularity and magic blood I believe will triumph.

It may be bold to kill off a popular character but at this point it might be economic suicide, so I'm betting it doesn't happen.

BTW, I'm very fond of Maya and don't like was not happy how her character was handled until the episode in which she walked out on Mohinder to get her life back.

Why do people praise one character while damning another?

Maya doesn't bleed black tears anymore and she's not whiney and are people so afraid Sylar will take up with her again? Or are people just bigoted? She deserves a lot more than compassion than many others. She was meant to be a hero at the end off season 2 who saves the world by absorbing and killing the virus threatening humanity. (A plot discarded). She still just might. I just hope its as a normal human being.

Clair is getting a bit bratty in not remembering all HRG has sacrificed for her, though that is a teen thing.

Economic Suicide would be to put a seemingly struggling show on Hiatus for seven weeks... Oh wait!



The Network Execs must be going insane, or maybe they could even be trying to kill the show. Production costs for Heroes are ridiculous after all, and if the show is not making as much of a profit as they want, well... They've done this before, so it wouldn't be surprising. Because if skipping one week took away half a million viewers that took two weeks to recover, then imagine what seven weeks will do to the ratings.

But seriously, if killing off Kristen Bell ends up killing Heroes, then the show was doomed to begin with.

I hope Elle is dead too. To bring her back at the last minute would be an insult to the audience. Just have the balls to kill a character and keep him dead, show. There's way too many characters and Elle was the least interesting of them. She had become a walking romantic fanfic. Her only purpose was to serve in some cheesy Sylar love story. Give me a break. Bring back the badass Sylar from season 1.

Flora... I... Love... You...

The point of this last volume "Villains" was to show the "Villains" in our "Heroes" and the "Heroes" in our "Villains".
So Sylar, among others is seen both changing because he wants to, and being changed by Angela and Arthur for their own purposes.

He's not the Sylar from Season 1 and won't be because that Sylar was a single note character. He might as well have twirled his moustach and tied damsels to railroad tracks. There used to be endless posts about how cardboard a villain he was.

Characters die if they can't grow.

What you call fanfiction is simply romance. If you don't like boys and girls doing it, I suggest you don't watch television... or see a film or read a book.

Also it doesn't take balls to kill off a character they've done that right and left on this show for the last three years.

The people who want Elle dead aren't some kind of drama purists there either jealous of her popularity or don't understand how she and Sylar are growing and making the word "Villain" an ironic term.

Go please the world.




It is in trouble. But not necessarily doomed. There's always the Sci-Fi Channel.

The problem is that "Heroes" operates on several levels. One which is an obvious action/adventure semi-sci-fic comicbook. You can watch it and enjoy it and understand it without having to think too much about it.

However, it also operates on the second, like a novel who's scenes, characters and actions have a metaphorical level.

The problem is something like Sylar suddenly turning on Elle and slicing open her head and confusing people when suddenly Gabriel's doubt, distrust and self-loathing kick in helped out by HRG. When alone on the beach with Elle Gabriel starts slicing her head open and both in voice and attitude reveals a reversions to his Sylar persona. As a result many viewers go "huh?" "Can't he absorb her power and doesn't he have it already?"

What he does there is the same thing as what Peter did to Future Nathan, who's mind he could read.

Both Peter and Sylar were trying to literally "get into the minds" of the people who--despite loving them-- they were distrusting (Nathan and Elle respectively), which even reading someone's mind couldn't reveal all their plans, reasons for their behavior and what the whole truth is.

Simply put. The problem "Heroes" has to solve is keep their stories simple and clear to be understood on a pure action adventure level, while providing the metaphors that keep the rest of us entertained.

Some of you people are in crazy denial. Heroes is losing ratings. It's going downhill. If it loses any more ratings, it will get cancelled.

Kristen Bell/Elle IS THE STAR of the show, she is more recognized than any of them combined. The viewers that are dropping are not hard core fans of Elle's, but regular Heroes viewers who are sick of the cr@ppy inconsistent storylines. They have no hard core fanship to any cast/character, so they drop while the stories are cr@p. Hard core fans are the ones that are sticking around, majority being Kristen Bell's. if the creators/writers kill of Elle, those hard core fans =are going to drop like flies too. Less viewers, less ratings, CANCELLATION.

I seriously don't think the creators/writers are dumb enough to kill off Elle. She's probably going to disapper, have baby Noah and come back. If they are going to kill her off, at least justify it with something good. Not some lame, nonclimatic, nonsensical death by Sylar.

Word, preach it, I'll drink to that, etc etc.

I loved Elle in the second season but she's been pretty uninteresting in this volume, IMO. Killing her off was practically an act of mercy - for the audience, because now we won't have to watch another scene in which Elle is somehow sensitive and caring despite all the odds (and I mean all of them), for Kristen Bell, whose schedule just got a little less hectic, and for the writers themselves, because they obviously had no idea what to do with her.

R.I.P. Elle
"Hi. Do you like pie?"

bleeeagh

This episode had the highest ratings since season 2's truth & consequences, 11.1, and the highest ratings this season by quite a bit. We're not in denial, we're simply stating the show won't die because Elle is gone. There are quite a bit of names for such a statement: fanboy drama, fanboy grief, nerd rage, etc, etc , etc... I think "Shortpacked!" put it far more clearly:

Since there might be some language issues I won't post the pic, but click on the link for it.

First for all, lol @ the link, that's awesome.

Second, I don't know where you got that number but it's not true. Yes, Heroes' ratings did go up this week, but just to a stable 8 million. Whoever gave you those numbers must've been high on glue.

Hmm, actually, you're right, that's pretty weird, when I checked Wikipedia on Tuesday it was reported as 11.1, now it's on 7.96 in Wikipedia. Odd.

Well, my response is short and sweet.

I hope Elle is still alive because she was a character that I always enjoyed watching; shes easy on the eyes; and Sylar + Elle make a really badass duo in my opinion.

They just got hooked up! Why did it have to end so soon. At least, give me a couple episodes to soak it up, lol.

They also hooked up to soon and we had NO time to soak that up, either.

I guess it's even now.

Elle is dead.

In the picture everyone links of Elle and Sylar on the beach, her head is clearly cut across the forehead. Sylar still cares enough to dispose of her body in a formal enough manner (funeral pyre kinda) instead of just leaving it on the beach.

Can someone explain to me how they think soaking someones body with the magic blood will magically heal the dead/dying/injured character? I'm pretty sure it has to be some form of transfusion, same as HRG and Nathan, and I'm guessing in HRG's case they had to mimic a heart beat/pump artificially as he was dead. If Claires blood just healed anything it touched we would've seen it by now

Who says he's soaking her with blood? The blood on her leg is from HRG's gunshot. What Sylar is pouring on her is lighter fluid.

You're forgetting Magic Blood heals all. Sylar took Clair's power and is now as near immortal as she is. So his blood may heal as well.

He'll need to inject it into her system but the point is she still can comeback.

I think this brouhaha is all about making sure we tune into the next episode.

Elle's death was soo stupid. It was so anticlimatic, I sat there watching thinking, "...what?". what happened to the Elle who knocked Sylar out with her electricity in level 5? Her character in my opinion is of no importance to the show, but at least she could have had a more climatctic, meaningful death. ( I was hoping HRG would kill her in the grocery store, as she valiantly tries to save Sylar...oh well)

News from Aussiellio of TV Guide, if you believe him:

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/ask-ausiello-sp.html

Question: I can't believe Sylar killed Elle. Why would Heroes get rid of Kirsten Bell? -- Sarah
Ausiello: Kristen's return was never meant to be long term, so she was leaving one way or the other. But as I hinted in last week's AA, I wasn't expecting her exit to be so permanent. And it is permanent. Unlike 90 percent of the deaths on Heroes, this one will stick. Ironic, no?

I don't know his track record compared to Kristin of E's or anyone else. Let us know if he's more right then wrong.

I agree with Andy. It doesn't make sense if he was cutting her then and she exploded and then doesn't. I also would've preferred her dying nobly rather than because of Sylar.

But clearly there setting up where having a romance with Sylar/Gabriel means your doomed at least in big trouble. Which is just as true as Peter, Mohinder and possibly Matt.

The way I see this is: You can't have your cake and eat it too.

People are constantly complaining (myself included) that there are WAY too many people, and they are not dying...even if they're killed. Look at the list of people who have stayed dead...

Season 1:
Ted Sprague
Eden McCain
Issac Mendez
Charlie Andrews
Simone Deveaux
Mr. Thompson
Mr. Linderman

Season 2:
Kaito Nakamura
Alejandro Herrera
Niki Sanders

Season 3 (as of the facts we currently have):
Elle Bishop
Bob Bishop
Adam Munroe
Maury Parkman
Usutu

Obviously, they've listened to the viewers cries and have decided to do a lot more offing. I for one, am glad. It cleanses the show and gives the other characters some breathing room.

I know there's a lot of people out there who are huge fans of Elle. I can understand that, as I feel just as strongly for a few characters too. Like Claude. I love that invisible man, and it would hurt me very deeply to lose him...but if it was done, it should stay done. The writers made that choice, and I'm willing to live with that. If they convoluted the storyline by changing it all around and unkilling him somehow, it just brings on more troubles, and strains the already tense storyline.

No offense to Tracy fans, but that storyline was such a cop-out. It has potential, but it still feels like a cheap way to keep Ali Larter.

I agree completely. People keep complaining that the show has too many characters and that they need to start killing off characters and have them stay dead, and well, there HAVE been quite a lot who have stayed that way. I do agree that the introduction of the "magic blood" in season 2 was a big mistake, since it's going to be the same as with Super Peter, with Peter it used to be "but wait, why did this happen if Peter has x power?", with the magic blood it was "why should this guy stay dead? they can give him a transfusion and voilá".

Elle dying is the right move in my opinion. If she had died in the season premiere, THAT would've ****** me off to no end, since it would've been too "let's get her out of the way". As always people seem to be jumping to conclusions and saying her death was meaningless and anticlimatic, and all I ask is "HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?!", is there a place where you already watched next week's episode to know that they just killed her off for no reason? Seriously.

Or what about this other possibility? I honestly don't know if Tim Kring has a twisted sense of humor and sense of irony like myself, but here's a thought: If I were Tim Kring, and I had had so many people whining about nobody "Staying dead" in the Heroes universe, I would've probably just thought "you know what? fine, they're whining about people not staying dead, then I'm going to give them exactly what they want, I'm going to kill a character they really like, and I'm going to kill her in such an unceremonious way that it's really going to hurt". I mean, I'd personally say fair is fair.

ROFL Maybe a star, but not the star. Peter, Claire, and Hiro, maybe, but not Elle.

IMO, killing off Nikki or Eden, and ignoring Monica are far worse sins than killing off Elle. She's kinda cool and fairly pretty, but you act as though the show is centered on her. Not even close.

That's all beside the fact that the picture in quetion only shows her with a scratch on her forehead, not missing the top of her head.

I agree so much about Monica, to me Monica had the coolest power in the universe and the one with the most amazing potential, sure I found the actress who played her sort of annoying, but c'mon, she definitely deserved to have her moment and she never did.

And yeah, ROFL, Elle... the star of the show? Seriously.

...Im just curious as to why he's moved the body and her injured leg is propped up on drift wood...what's that all about?

We'll have to wait until next week, methinks. Heck, for all we know, she might not even be dead.

You know how it goes on Heroes.

I think its equally ridiculous to kill a character and make them stay dead because of some need for finality by some fans.

The question is whether the character has anywhere left to go. Has their arc finished. Was Elle capable of further change?

I thought she was. I thought she had bonded with Clair as well as Gabriel. Apparently not.

So maybe Elle's arc was truly over. Maybe her character had nowhere to go. Maybe Sylar's pronouncement over her was accurate that she could not change. Even though it was very apparent their feelings for each other changed them. Did it change them towards others?

The empathy that Sylar attained with Elle apparently was between Sylar and Elle only. It gave them no compassion for others.

Elle to find out who Sylar is in the car rental office--monster or boy scout wants to be able to "take what she wants" and goads Sylar into very likely killing the car rental agent.

Then they continue in pursuit of Clair. It never occurs to them to blow Arthur off, Sylar after what he's done to Clair should have some guilt about it. And Clair was the first person to absorb Elle's pain and voltage. While I thought Elle was going along with Gabriel to keep him from hurting Clair and possibly to foil his kidnapping her, I was sorrily mistaken.

Elle and Sylar's love while real for them, granted them no empathy for others beside themselves. So instead of taking advantage of the possibility to re-invent their lives once they escaped HRG, they throw their chance away-- possibly out of revenge on HRG--to kidnap Clair for Arthur.

With the seed of doubt of Elle's love for Gabriel planted by HRG once Gabriel is aware that Elle might not be giving him the whole truth about his parentage comes the knowledge they had not wholly changed despite their love for each other. Which brings on the Sylar persona to pronounce judgement on them as "damaged goods" neither of whom could change and have any empathy for others. She is not a vehicle by which he can reconcile himself with to the larger world and possibly gain redemption. Empathy with Elle bonds Gabriel to Elle, but not Gabriel to the rest of normal world.

Elle becomes a dead end for Gabriel. When the Sylar persona re-emerges all he wants is to "get inside her head" and know what she knows about his parentage. The Sylar persona fatalistically can't see the growth that was still possible for both of them together particularly if they produced a child.

But, still there is a problem. Sylar powers and all allowed himself to have skin fried off and finally gains empathy with Elle. But why once the Eclipse ends does he lose his empathy with Elle? What happened? Was it her sudden temporary fear of him, the doubt planted by HRG? What's going on?

Still, in the morning I expect we will Gabriel weeping, and cradling Elle's limp body.

Exactly how I see it. Killing her off right in first episode would have been lame. But the way they did it now served as a good way to close the circle in Sylar's development, as it shows how easily he can be pushed over the edge. I always hoped Sylar's redemption was a dead end and he would be re-established as a villain sooner or later (and I'm glad it was rather sooner than later :D). Here he goes and kills someone who he had feelings for. There's no coming back from that one (and having another turn - the third in his story - would just be stupid). Her death was not at all pointless!


@ Rebel: Wow! Great analysis of the interaction between these two! :)



I actually don't think characters should only be killed off when there's nothing more to tell about them, because that's not how tragic, drama and storytelling work.

Let's take it to the extremes: What's more shaking? The death of an old person, who has lived his/ her life to the fullest and has nothing more to expect? Or the death of a child who would have had so much ahead?