Sylar...

WTF?

I'm just kind-of sick of him now. >>;
I didn't want him to be good persay but I at least wanted him to have a purpose and a motivation other than killing and power.
But noooooooooooooooooo, he's just gotta be a mindless brain-stealing killer.

He had great potential with the redemption plot line.
I think mostly because of the "Petrelli" thing.
He could've had great and complex new relationahips with Nathan, Peter and co.
That would've been neat.

And Elle and him had great potential too.
They're very similiar characters with great chemistry.
I even thought they were gunna have Noah Jr. and that's what made the Bennet v. Sylar scene in this eppie so intense cause I thought Elle might be pregnant now. XD

Then...
like the swing from a wrecking ball the whole darn structure comes crashing down.

Now Sylar's just a simple foundation of a character again.
A mind-less "I'll-Slice-you-for-no-reason" character.
I don't even think he craves power anymore.
I think he's just a mind-less zombie now.

He's a frigggin' mindless sexy zombie.

I...I don't know.
I used to love Sylar but...he's so confusing, contradicting and boring now.
With almost no depth and I'm finding it hard to connect with him now that the redemption plot-line has been destroyed.

I think I'm more of a Petrelli person now. XD

So, anyone else feel this way about Sylar?
Is there any redemption for his character?
Not redemption as in "Sylar must be Heroez!!11!11zz" but as in "Sylar must have more depth than a pierce of cardboard now, plz?".
Thoughts, ideas, concerns...

How was your Thanksgiving?

I was a HUGE fan of the redemption plotline, as everyone who reads my posts probably knows because I blather on about it. So when he sliced Elle I was quite upset. Oh, fine, I AM upset. They were a great pair and he was making awesome strides as a character. He's gonna have to try and kill himself again or something to get in my graces again. :p

Totally.

I liked him for his season one badassery...not this redemption stuff they brought in season 3.

I was fine with it, but I'm glad to see that he's going back to the way I liked him way back when. After all, the audience responded more to him as the evil head slicer then.

I was just thinking that we needed another thread on this topic for this episode.

Something about Sylar's sudden turn to good, back to evil, back to good, and back to mindless killer just doesn't sit right with me. We know he can be a master manipulator, as seen with Maya in S2, so why has he been so easily played this season by everyone around him? That, and the Petrelli connection, have been a couple of the things that have annoyed me about him this season. He went from being this..driven complex character to...as LOSTie said, "He's a frigggin' mindless sexy zombie." I hope that the upcoming episodes can start fixing things with him before he becomes completely bland, boring and a joke of a villian.

My Thanksgiving was good. How everyone else's?

Me too.
Frankly, I think Mr.Kring's a-bit confused as to what to do with the character.
There's one side who likes the killer and the other side who doesn't and wants him to change.
Finding a middle ground will be very hard but I think it needs to be done.

I had my Thanksgiving a week early since my sis got her tonsils taken out right before Thanksgiving. ^^

But God, I must've had Turkey and other Thanksgiving foods at least 5 times in the last week and a half. >>;
I think I've had my fill of turkey, stuffing and mashed potatos for now. XD

Mine was lousy because the Cowboys won, putting them at 8-4. I'm a 'Skins fan, so even though I knew Dallas would stomp Seattle, watching it unfold in real time was a huge bummer. We had some kick-awesome ice cream cake in the shape of a turkey for desert, though, which almost made up for it.

There's probably like 5 now.



Ooh.
Turkey cake. =.

Yeah, but how many of those four others contain discussions about our Thanksgivings?

And yes, the turkey cake was scrumptious. (That word never looks like it's spelled correctly. You know what other word never looks like you've spelled it correctly? Pharaoh. Seriously, I can't get over how wrong that looks.)

A middle ground would be a very nice thing to have with Sylar. A very nice thing indeed.

I still don't get why Sylar went after Elle...


It just kinda happened without good reason...

That's probably a big part of what bothers me. It was pointless. And out of character. Yeah, Sylar's known to be an evil dude, but he's usually smart about it. He didn't do things for no good reason. He would use EVERYthing to his advantage. So if they wanted him to go back to being a flat out bad guy, at least make him an INTERESTING bad guy.

Yea I agree..

He just banged her...

went though dramatic menopause


then killed her...

Maybe he did it to prove to both Elle and himself that people can never really change? It still would have been very un-Sylar like of him to do it because of that reason but it's the only reason I can really think of right now.

He didn't need her power. I suspect he killed her because of the hunger to know whether Bennett was telling the truth. He just came back into his powers and the hunger probably hit him hard... thus, the attempt to stop. I don't think we can say for sure until next week if Elle is dead or not (yet.) We might not know then.

So he goes through this whole thing of 'people can change blah blah blah'

only after hiro teleports him away he thinks... 'wow i cant change.. time to kill?'

Well, Hiro is the guy who stabbed in through the chest...He saved Claire and Noah from Bennett...just like in season one.

Very similar circumstances, and Sylar probably realized that. He's not being good, he's doing the same thing as before, just with a little less power stealing.

Wouldnt that make him realize he's not good at being bad? Seeing as he's been foiled twice now by Hiro?

You'd think that. Depends on Sylar's perspective. Akin to the glass half full/empty idea.

He could see it as he's not good at being bad, or that he hasn't changed, even with effort, and he never will.

I suppose it didn't help that Elle made him kill that guy...

We still don't know if he went back to being evil (or if Elle is actually dead for that matter), maybe the whole point of the good Sylar / bad Sylar plotline is to have him be settled in a very "gray" area. No longer killing for powers (since he doesn't need to) but for a completely different motive, we'll just have to see what happens in the next episode to see where they're going with this.



Actually judging from the Volume 4 spoiler pics I think they do have a very clear idea of what they're going to do with the character and this might simply be how he actually gets to that point.

Maybe that's why this bothered me so much. =.

Sylar usually plans his kills out but this was random..and kind-a stupid.



And that too.

Poor Elle. >>;



Ooh.
Whaddaya got?

I always thought that Sylar was over-romanticised by some people, who wanted to see him as the lost sheep, or even as the red-hot lover of Mohinder. He was introduced as a few cool villain, with human aspects, yes, but I never saw him as anything other than a villain. His redemption path, for me, always had to end with an even greater fall back to evil. Just as I was (pretty...) sure Peter would never remain evil in IABD but would return to good eventually. Volume three has been a great game of what if, but in the long run, I'm surprised that so many people expected the entire series to be turned permanently upside down.

I am one of those people who also found the fixation on Sylar's "hotness" rather strange because frankly, I liked him as a character, not because his actor was pretty. However, Sylar is a really compelling character and the fact that he is actually grayer than pure black makes him interesting to me. That's kind of why I was so psyched with the prospect of the new storyline because I thought it'd make for a more complex look into Sylar but right now, I feel like they basically botched it. I'm one of the people who wish that his actions were less inscrutable because I could see him killing off Elle but the suddenness of it was too much for me. I dislike having to make up explanations for EVERYTHING because at some point, it just becomes a bunch of disjointed actions done by a single character. So yeah, I was also anticipating a fall back into darkness for Sylar but I wasn't expecting to get whiplash from seeing it.

Exactly. I used to be a HUGE Sylar fan, and I was really excited about the goodness/possible redemption storyline this volume. I didn't necessarily expect or hope that he would turn into a shiny, purely good guy, but I had hoped that he might settle into a sort of HRG-like gray area role. Instead, it looks like they're going to just stick him right back into sheer evil where he used to be. They just pressed a big reset button and wiped out an entire volume's worth of characterization. What was the point of all that potential reform if not even a little bit of it was going to stick? That's what I just can't understand. So yes, I completely agree with the original poster--I am incredibly disappointed in Sylar's character. I feel like they've gone out of their way to ruin what used to be my favorite character in the whole show.

I thought the redemption plotline was lame. Like someone said before, it took away all of Sylar's smarts from previous seasons, and turned him into the manipulated instead of the manipulator.

I was happy to see the old sylar come back. Even if it may mean losing Elle, who gained a lot of depth and actually became a good character this season. (Cause I think she was one of the weaker parts of season 2)

I have nothing but faith that now that sylar is back in his place, as a villain, the writers will find plenty of things for him to do and diabolical plans for him to hatch.

I just hope things improve in the next couple of eppies. =/

I don't even know what's gunna happen next week since my Dad's DVR keeps cutting off the coming attractions. - _ -;