That's what's really bothering me. And, if I remember correctly, the policemen knew Sandra's name, so (assuming they didn't notice the escape, which doesn't make sense at all) why didn't they show up to the Bennet's house after realising the body of the Claire had disappeared? It is just very frustrating to me.

Plus, I'm starting to HATE the fact that nobody ever dies for real on this show!

Not handling the rest of it for a variety of reasons, but..seriously? How did she "sneak" Claire out?

Steal a pair of clothes and a hat.

I really doubt they had people at the doors watching for them.

"Hey guys, I need you to keep an eye out for these two women?" *flashes pic of Sandra and DeadClaire*

"Umm..Sir? That second chick's dead."

"I know. But I want you to make sure she doesn't leave."

The two officers were about to question Sandra about the shooting. They'd be even more alert once Claire died. So yeah, the two should have been at the door watching them. But this really isn't a point of contention yet, as it could easily be explained in the next episode.

1: There was an obviously extended period of time between the two instances. (Not even in television do you go from just-dead in the ER to body-on-the-slab in the hospital morgue.)
2: Again, you're ignoring the fact that, as far as the hospital and police were concerned Claire was dead. Grab her a set of clothes and a hat, and nobody's really going to notice when she walks out the front door. Thus, it wouldn't require Claire to be "snuck" out of the hospital at all.

That doesn't change what I just said, lol! They would still be outside the door, about to question Sandra. I completely agree that Claire could easily escape herself once Sandra is taken for questioning. You need to read a little more carefully, Synch.

No, actually I don't. You do.

Here, I'll point it out to you:



You don't think it's probable that the questioning took place during that time?

Should it have been written, directed or cut differently? Possibly. Doesn't change the fact of what we were shown.

I think the point is that we weren't shown Sandra's questioning by the police. They wanted to talk to her when Claire was simply shot and infected yet stablized. How much more serious would they have gotten once she actually died?!? Sandra pulled a Jedi mind trick off camera? We are left needing an explanation, imo.

So, you're saying that Sandra was questioned about her daughter's shooting (who had just died), by being taken into custody, then let go, and returned to the morgue?

Or are you saying that Sandra was questioned about her daughter's shooting (who had just died), on site, then let go, and returned to the morgue?

Um. Yeah, MagnificoG. An explanation is warranted.

With nothing on which to base the questions?

Hell, Sandra could've just told them to arrest her if they wanted to talk to her.

Isaac, Charlie, Dale, Candice, Simone...

Either A. They were about to question her, but decided to give her some alone time with her daughter in order to grieve, and she was able to sneak Claire out the back, or B. They questioned her right after, she told some bogus story (Enough to get them off of her back) and then she went in to see Claire.







Alejandro, Bob, Adam, Maury, Lindermen, Ted...

The cops were called because the doctors told them people don't get infected unless they get shot a long time ago, so how did she explain that away?





D.L. and Niki!

Why bother?

Police: Come this way, Mrs. Butler. We have some questions.
Sandra: Bite me. Either arrest me or leave me alone.

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Where I'm from, this is called 'probable cause.' Chicago cops love it.

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It may be probable cause, but if they have nothing to hold you on, then they've got no reason to keep you.

Yeah.
I wondered how they snuck out too.

I guess I'll go with the disguising Claire thing, LOL. xP

Or maybe...

They snuck through the vents Mission Impossible style! >: D

Why disguise?

She's dead. In the morgue.

They're hardly going to be looking for her walking out the front door.

Hmm.
Maybe you're right.

Would they allow Sandra to take a body bag home? =.
Or maybe she made some dumb excuse like "I'm taking it to the morgue for you.".

Or something like that...

Okay, actually this problem is pretty confusing. ;

There would have had to be some sort of disguise to sneak her out in otherwise it would have looked odd for Sandra to be walking out the front door with someone who looked just like her dead daughter. I mean, I know hospitals are over crowded nowadays but that might have been noticed. And wouldn't someone in the morgue have noticed a body missing?

The real plot hole here isn't the fact that Claire got out so easily, which Synch is pounding so hard, but the fact that no one questioned where her body went.

Edit: Except SilverJade just beat me to it. :p

In a large, typically understaffed, hospital?

And there's no way anyone would've been looking for Claire walking out of the hospital.

Sandra I can see as a problem, even though I don't personally see that it is, but not Claire.

That doesn't bother me as much as the police never contacting them unless they somehow got away with fake names which is highly unlikey. The police should have their names and be able to find and question them. That's what bothers me the most.

Wait, what? When did they say the hospital was understaffed?

And if there is an ongoing investigation about a shooting, which turned into a death, I'm pretty sure the cops would have a lot of questions, especially since the whole thing is kind of suspicious. They would have cops watching her, and if she were to walk out with another blonde, who matched the exact description of her daughter, it would look odd, considering she came in with no one. So I'm gonna go with the theory that they somehow managed to sneak out, but it still doesn't explain how they were able to return home and never be questioned by any cops.

Honestly, it's an interesting question, but no more unusual than any one of a hundred WTF moments that are completely improbable "in real life" but not so on the show.

Let's not allow this to turn into something it shouldn't be, aka flame war.


BTW:
<---- I completely hit the floor when ever I see this icon labelled Crack Santa. It's so perfect!

<---- This one looks too much like some kind of terrorist Santa, not ninja Santa.

Eden, the 12, Charles, Molly's parents, Ivan...

Seriously. And you're correct, they never said the hospital was understaffed.

This is just another one of those instances where this season strains suspension of disbelief a little too much, kind of like how Peter the nurse suddenly knows how to handle an AK. If I hadn't always regarded Heroes as a popcorn show I'd be a lot more bothered by this kind of stuff.

They didn't need to. I've never heard of a hospital that wasn't understaffed.

I can help with that. The ER my dad works at isn't understaffed.

Why does it matter about the understaffing thing? Like I said, the popo would be looking for them and would know if Sandra left the hospital. They know her name, all they need to do is find where she lives and question her which it doesn't look like they will however.

Why would the police be looking for them?

Claire's dead. Case closed. As far as the police are concerned, she's not moving, so why bother keeping an eye out for her?

Because she was shot and killed. It's their job to find out what happened. They just don't close the case and say "oh well , she's dead, doesn't matter who shot her or for what reason".

Because as far as we know Sandra didn't talk to the police because before she was going to Claire died. Also the hospital should notice a missing dead body.

The point I've been making is simply that Claire would have no problem getting out of the hospital. Grab some clothes and walk out the front door. Just another blonde leaving the hospital. The police might look at each other and comment how much she resembles that girl that just died, but nothing more.



Claire: Excuse me, do you mind if I leave?
Police: Why aren't you lying in the morgue like a good dead person?

Seriously.

I'm.
Not.
Talking.
About.
Sandra.

Claire is dead. She's not going anywhere. They're not going to waste time keeping an eye on a girl that looks like a girl in the morgue.

No your not getting what I'm saying. There was a shooting where someone died. Your saying because the victim died the police would just say case closed without asking one single question?

I think the issue isn't how she got out of the hospital, that's easy - it's that someone will come the Bennet home for questioning and this may bite them in the ****** in vol 4.

I hope that happens. But I doubt it will.

Probably the same way she got out of her first morgue, without anyone wondering which cheerleader had been killed by the river.

Read what I'm typing, please.

Nowhere in there did I even mention Sandra. I'm only saying that Claire would encounter no problems leaving.

Welcome to Hollywood. Accept that it's fiction and not reality. Isn't that a big part of enjoying TV/movies?



That's a good point. I hope so. Of course, they called Sandra "Mrs. Butler"

You all are missing Sandra's biggest ally...:

Mr.Muggles

Only Mr.Muggles has the intellect and power to organize such a rapid and trouble free escape from the police at a hospital. Simple.

She cut Claire up into little pieces and threw her out the window. Once outside she puts herself back together, and uses a horse from the farm next door to pull down the wall by tieing a hook to a rope and attaching to the window. They ride off into the sunset with stupid hospital guards completely unaware of a big whole in the room behind them.

Um not entirely, no. There's this little thing called suspension of disbelief and there comes a point when the fragile strings holding it together snap.

I honestly can't believe this topic has gotten so much play, considering of all the things that suspend disbelief, this one is much lower on the scale (like the actions of the ER doctor, for one...wait, I've already discussed that. Hmmm..) Here's why.

First of all, how many people actually know how this topic is really handled in usual day to day emergency rooms? (looks for show of hands...)

Ok, so Mom brings in shot teen. Cops are called. When this level of call is forwarded to the "police" the case gets handed to an investigator, who is usually a detective, not some run of the mill uniformed cop.

The uniforms go to the scene to secure evidence and obtain the names of the involved parties. It is not their jobs to begin the investigation, just secure the scene and any evidence that may exist. They established the people involved and obtained their information. Right? Well, once said job is done, they just wait for the detective to arrive, and usually are not anywhere near the subjects at that time. (donuts, coffee, chatting it up with the cute nurses, etc)

Well, Claire ups and dies. Said investigator has not yet made it to the hospital. The uniforms have no further need to be there, since the body will go to the morgue, or the coroner and they have the information on the other party (her address and information, so that the detective can find her and question her.) She is not under arrest, so they cannot detain her for any reason.

It's likely at this time the uniforms have left, or even quite possibly are involved in more paperwork and are not even in the ER at this time. Also, the ED is quite a busy place and once Claire has revived it would be absolutely no problem for the two to just leave, without being harrassed. No one is paying attention, after all, the ER is a very busy place and there is no one person assigned to just that room without any other responsibilities. I've seen multiple times where a patient just leaves the hospital and no one knows what's going on. Even (especially) patients who are there under suspicious circumstances.

Mrs. Bennett, to 'hostpal personnel': "Hello, I need to go outside for a while, and get some air. I'm overwhelmed at the moment:
'Hospital personnel' too busy to even pay attention to whom they are talking: "mumblesmumbles finewhateverletmeknowwhenyou'reback"
Sandra leaves

Claire jumps down and follows her mother out since no one would even recognize her as the recently deceased body in room 14. They can leave together or separately, it likely wouldn't raise an eyebrow either way.

But, back at the house, the cops would certainly come a'knockin'. But that's a different concern, now, isn't it?

Yes, the Hospital got Claire and Mrs. Bennets name. Events happened. Both were able to leave easily as stated above.
When the Police come to the house investigating I'm sure that good old smooth talking HRG has come up with a good story or the paperwork has been lost by the police to even come asking about a teenager that got shot.
Even if the paperwork is not lost and a detective comes to the house they will see that Claire is not dead and just assume that the police took down the wrong information.
HRG is quick minded and swift. They will be fine.

This scene concerning Claire has believable results.
I had problems about the Turtle just being brought through customs without going through a quarantine period until I realized Matt probably did his Jedi mind trick on them.

This is a TV show guys. Enjoy the ride and don't take it too personal.

Hospitals are very large and have many, many exits. Loading docks, ambulance bays, you could go through the hospital and out of the ER entrance/exit, I've been to ERs a good number of times and I've never seen anyone pay attention to anyone coming and going through the ER it's generally way too busy and chaotic.

Secondly, we were never given a time frame from them leaving the hospital to Sylar and Elle showing up, Sandra and Claire could have snuck out and it's only now being discovered while Sylar and Elle are attacking Bennet, the police could be on their way as mentioned by a poster above which would tie into the whole "Fugatives" volume.

Even on a show with superpowers?

Sandra wasn't under arrest. She could just tell them she was going home.

Case closed.

As I've repeatedly stated, Claire would have no problems. (Seriously- are you trying to tell me she'd be stopped because she happens to look like Gunshot Dead Girl?)

Do you live in Disneyland? Case Closed? What?

Officer 1: Hey there was a shooting. We should check into it.
Officer 2: Nah man, the girl died.
Officer 1: Oh alright then, no need to figure out what happened. Let's go get some donuts.

Synch what planet do you live on? Where exactly would cops act in such a stupid manner? Any cops who acted like you are suggesting would be FIRED FOR GROSS INCOMPETENCE.

This case involved a fatal shooting and a missing body. You better believe the police would be ALL OVER THAT. There is no way Sandra could blow off the cops and then never hear from them again.

Really?

You're saying the cops would be looking for a walking Dead Girl?

Just what kind of world do you live in?

Cop1: Dude, the body's missing.
Cop2: You know... that girl over there looks a lot like the dead girl. Maybe we should talk to her.
Cop1: Are you (deleted) nuts?

Do you think before you type? Because superpowers exist in a show that does not mean we accept absolutely everything that happens on the show. What if Peter turned into Bugs Bunny and farted solid gold eggs? You'd keep suspending your disbelief? Hells no.

A show with fantastical elements needs to be grounded in some sort of reality.