So, Daphne's pulling some tricks out of the flash's hat. Any thoughts?

epic

actually it worked out really well. Pretty kickass.

what i want to know is what this means that ando was really doing to hiro in that future. everyone assumed he was hurting him(IT WAS FREAKING RED LIGHNING), but was he really just making him lose control of his powers and be sent somewhere else?

chicago: I'd say Hiro lost control of his ability then... 'cause that's what Ando do!

Back to Daphne, nice time-travelling one! I really love this new character, but she was especcially amazing in this last episode! I'm glad she's still alive and will be running (!) in next Volume! :p

I thought it was hokey. She precisely went to the right time to get Hiro and made it back to the exact minute in the present. Maybe she runs and looks at her digital watch with the date scroll backwards. That would work actually. I like Future Muggles idea of Hiro going to his mom's funeral and hitching a ride back with his season 2 self and season 2 Kaito.

I liked the concept, but when they tried to back it up with science and were wrong. . .ugh. . . .

I'm pretty sure that it's only theoretically possible to move forward in time, not backward (and I don't mean at a normal pace--you can jump into the future, but not the past), according to modern physics.

No, actually, when you move faster than light (which Daphne did here), the time moves backward. However, the time should be backward for her, not for the world. In other words, she would have simply looked younger! For time to move backward, the universe have to move faster than the speed of light, except you! :p

But whatever, it was nicely done anyway!

Which could be telling that Hiro and Daphne's abilities are working in the same principles.

Just that Hiro is more of a Jack of all trades.

According to the GNs and Primatech Tracker there are others with teleportation abilities but not temporal manipulation.

Its not actually true. Time dilates the faster you move. But its undefined for values greater than 'c'. I wish they hadn't done this whole "ooh Einstein" thing, they could have just said its the augmented power.

A great choice for the writers, in my opinion. It gave us a chance to see Daphne's power amplified and it showcased Ando's awesome ability.

I wonder what would happen if he used the power against somebody without powers?

And people...if you're going to nitpick the science of the power...you must find more to do with your time.

I hate it when they use wrong real science. If they going to do comic book science its fine. But if you are going to take the trouble to say relativity and Einstein you shouldn't be getting something wrong that even high schoolers should know.

It was a very stupid think in the middle of a great episode. She only knew she could go back in time. How did she get back to the present? Running backwards? Run east go back, run west go forward. She should have gotten some clarification before she ran off.

Ah, but you're forgetting about frames of reference. From her point of view, she's standing still and the universe is moving rapidly. Where real science is concerned, the effects of going faster than the speed of light are unclear. The formulas involved wind up giving the square root of a negative number which is a math no-no. (Yes, I was a physics major in college... at least until I ran into Quantum Mechanics.) Of course, the powers of the Heroes needn't follow the laws of physics.

In other words, she couldn't jump backward in time, like I said, she could only affect herself. I'm not saying that I knew what you said, but essentially, you just said she couldn't go backward through time. Theoretical physics says that it's possible to go forward, but not backward, in time relative to the universe. So. . .it's hard to find the right words, but essentially, both of what we said could be combined to basically say "it doesn't work that way."

Exactly, it doesn't work that way!

But you know what else don't work that way? A man flying without wings, a guy who can read mind, a girl who can run THAT fast, a girl who can control electricity, an immortal man, another immortal cheerleader, etc., all due to evolution! That's Darwin's theory used for a sci-fi basis! And of course, it doesn't really work that way! So let's just have fun with how they do things instead of questionning them!

100% wrong... In every aspect...


Moving at the speed of light you travel foward in time, actually, you don't "time travel" but I don't have the time to post the whole inner workings of e=mc2 as it relates to this point...

In order for you to travel to the past you theoreticly can't unless you can use a strong force of opposing gravitational fields , i.e. a singularity (blackhole) with electrons moving around the event horizons, since electrons have no mass but do have "charge" (Look up Kerr's theories as well as Einstien and Black Hole Electrons...)

This causes spacial and time anomalies and disruptions of unstable natures...

Theoretically if you had two micro-singularities with electrons introduced at a stable distance from each other, it is possible that you could travel in time, but again, this is too long to break down...


If anything, Daphne and Ando should be dead due to the best part of the e=mc2 equation, the infinate mass!! Actually, they'd be ok, but the moment they grabbed Hiro at that speed he'd be dead... (Arguably they should be too depending on hat theory you read...)

It's like the difference between riding in a car going 100 mph and being hit by it... (in this case Daphne is the car and Ando is the passenger and the 100mph is light speed and Hiro is getting hit...)

The car going 100mph hits you with with the cars weight and the weight in terms of the car's weight, and the weight it aquires due to speed... The car isn't heavier, but the force it hits you with at 100mph is heavier then at 60mph... So at light speed Daphne and Ando are at infinite mass grabbing Hiro..

I agree the math is 'fuzzy', but if Daphne and Ando slowed down enough that we could see them speed by to grab Hiro (i.e. Hiro didn't just 'disappear', they moved him away), their mass was not infinite at the time.

I found it to be sort of halfassed and a quick fix

The writers have already admitted to breaking the "rules" of time travel on the CBR - Behind the Eclipse: Week 11:I agree, it does make for excellent storytelling.

It was definitely just a means to an end in the sense that they used it to bring Hiro back but it was clever that they used Ando and his power to do it.

I know people have complained about them trying to explain it with science, but let's face it guys, we're watching a show in which people are flying and shooting fire from their hands, science is more or less out of the window lol. The answer Matt gave was basic but would've been helpful for people struggling to wonder how Daphne could travel in time.

I hope the future has changed though and Ando doesn't turn on Hiro, it was a shock to see but it shouldn't happen in that context, and by that i mean fighting over a formula. Now that the formula is effectively gone it shouldn't, right?

A Big AMEN to that! Why nitpick?

A suspension of disbelief is required to watch TV shows. A higher suspension of disbelief is required to watch Heroes.

Yeh but the writers are really taking the ****** with the whole Daphne thing in this episode. Totally stupid and just a quick fix.

Very disappointing end to the volume