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sawyer101
All Through This volume I and I think others, Were Expecting a Huge Battle between Heores and villains.
Hence the original Title Was "War"

We can all agree That didn't happen this episode(Probs will never happen :().

Also I'm really not understand Nathans Motivation or Plan This episode.
Before He wanted to Give Cetain people Powers, Now he wants to capture them?
EvolutionisNear
I have to disagree.

Didn't you get the hold plot a primatech?

Sylar was trying to prove inside every hero there is a villian...but Claire,Noah,Angela,and Meridith proved otherwise

R.I.P Angela

Noo. Well Yes but Nathan was trying to give people abilties but his plan went entirely wrong thanks to Peter so he has a grudge and Wants to get revenge on people with abilities
Shrouded
I don't understand Nathan either. He wanted to give people abilities to do good, yet he wants to capture people with abilities, the good and the bad ones. Maybe he's just mad at Peter? Not good enough of an excuse though, IMO.

gchicago9
i think its interesting that the very first(was it the first? i forget) future we saw is still coming true
DoctorClaude
It wasn't the knockdown, drag-out fight I was expecting, but I was okay with that, because the episode made up for it with tension and mental action.

I want to know who survived the whole ordeal at Primatech. A lot of character were left with ambiguous fates, such as Sylar, Doyle, Meredith, etc.

As for Nathan, I don't know where he's going with this, motivation-wise. But I'm sure it's morally gray.
evagolden
His plan was simply to have an army of superpowered to bring peace of the world by beating up those who fight each others! Messed up, of course, now he his angry! And of course, he holds a grudge against Peter. Is it the only reason? To me it is an acceptable one, but there may be something else...

Maybe he plans to rebuild is plan again! But if he does that, Peter, Hiro, Matt, Daphne, Ando and many others will fight him back! So his plan would be:

1- Get rid of them
2- Rule the world with an army of super-powered soldiers! Santasmile.gif lol (sorry, but that's how I see this Formula plan in the first place! :p)

ClayAikenRocks
QUOTE (sawyer101 @ Dec 15 2008, 10:12 PM) *
Disappointed, Expecting a Huge Battle


This is the TV show Heroes. They can barely, just barely, handle a short, tiny battle every 4 episodes.
sawyer101
Also EvolutionisNear Angela Isn't Dead, We saw her Outside With HRG and claire.
CharlieNakamura
I was a little aggravated that Meredith never tried to attack Sylar with her fire. I know it wouldn't really kill him, but you would think a huge fireball would at least slow him down for a minute.
RoCKoNoVA
the Sylar and Doyle fight was pretty sweet.

you all think Doyle is dead?
aulduron
What the heck did he do to Doyle?
Triggar23
There hasn't been ONE really good battle that we got to see on this show, because it's a Drama/SciFi. With the emphasis on Drama. The "War" is the war within ourselves or just the War that this battle leads to.

Battle: Nathan/Peter
Battle: Sylar/Company

Those battles sets the stage for Vol. 4

As for Nathan:

Season 1:
People with abilities almost blow up NY

Season 2:
Nearly spreads a Virus

Season 3:
Destroys the world

Nathan probably realized that he can't "control" people with powers and the best thing he can do to not cause this problem anymore is to destroy them..
Or capture them all, so that they can never get in his way again and use them to create and perfect a new formula for his personal army of superheroes that he can control like puppets.
baottousai
why does nathan always have to be a jerk! last season he was being awesome, now he's back to what he was like season 1. i guess i can go back to loving peter again..
Yamato
keep in mind that this is the end of volume 3, but not the end of the season. if anything, i bet there will be something more spectacular for the season finale. on the other hand, i thought the episode was done very well.

i prefer not seeing long, drawn-out brawls, anyways, especially for a television show. i mean, really, i don't want this show to end up like dragonball z. and for a 1 hour episode, believe it or not, but that's not a lot of time to fit in something like that.

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There hasn't been ONE really good battle that we got to see on this show, because it's a Drama/SciFi. With the emphasis on Drama. The "War" is the war within ourselves or just the War that this battle leads to.


exactly.

and besides, just because something doesn't have a huge brawl doesn't mean it'll suck. look at the dark knight.
conspiracytheory
QUOTE (Yamato @ Dec 15 2008, 10:39 PM) *
and besides, just because something doesn't have a huge brawl doesn't mean it'll suck. look at the dark knight.


Did you watch The Dark Knight? Batman punched like thirty guys over the course of the film. Dogs attacked him. Harvey Dent punched that guy in the courtroom. Two Face shot a half dozen people. Cars exploded. Buildings exploded. That one guy with the cell phone in his stomach exploded.

Brawling happened.

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Anyway, everybody who has been like, "I don't get why Nathan wants to round up all the heroes," is totally right on. He has no motivation to go all megalomaniacal on us that isn't horrid and contrived. Left a bad taste in my mouth.
Dem
QUOTE (Yamato @ Dec 15 2008, 10:39 PM) *
keep in mind that this is the end of volume 3, but not the end of the season. if anything, i bet there will be something more spectacular for the season finale. on the other hand, i thought the episode was done very well.

i prefer not seeing long, drawn-out brawls, anyways, especially for a television show. i mean, really, i don't want this show to end up like dragonball z. and for a 1 hour episode, believe it or not, but that's not a lot of time to fit in something like that.



exactly.

and besides, just because something doesn't have a huge brawl doesn't mean it'll suck. look at the dark knight.



This is the end of the season, or atleast there will be no more episodes until February.
evagolden
QUOTE (conspiracytheory @ Dec 15 2008, 10:56 PM) *
Anyway, everybody who has been like, "I don't get why Nathan wants to round up all the heroes," is totally right on. He has no motivation to go all megalomaniacal on us that isn't horrid and contrived. Left a bad taste in my mouth.


Two potential explanations have been made already by others here:

1- Grudge against people with abilities, as they always mess up his plans
2- To make sure that no one will mess up with his plans anymore!
conspiracytheory
I don't want to make excuses for the show. Nathan slipped into the role of "the guy who sells out his pals" way too easily.

(Also, your first and second reasons are exactly the same thing. =/)
Yamato
QUOTE (Dem @ Dec 15 2008, 09:57 PM) *
This is the end of the season, or atleast there will be no more episodes until February.


are you sure? the heroes wiki says that "The fourth volume of Heroes, titled Fugitives, will start with episode fourteen and span over the last twelve episodes of Season Three."

they did this for season 1 as well. started in the fall, stopped after about 12 episodes into the season to go on break, then came back with the rest of the season at the end of january.
Thief
I can understand those saying that Heroes won't have a long fight, but they advertised the Season 1 finale as "the showdown". All that happened was Sylar strangling Peter (who doesn't even need to breath, and could break free of Sylar's hold with his own TK), then Peter punching Sylar in the face (even though it didn't seem to matter).
Danxcore
QUOTE (Yamato @ Dec 15 2008, 08:24 PM) *
are you sure? the heroes wiki says that "The fourth volume of Heroes, titled Fugitives, will start with episode fourteen and span over the last twelve episodes of Season Three."

they did this for season 1 as well. started in the fall, stopped after about 12 episodes into the season to go on break, then came back with the rest of the season at the end of january.


Season 3 is NOT over
Volume 3 is

Volume 4 starts in Feb.
and once that ends THEN season 3 is over
Yamato
QUOTE (conspiracytheory @ Dec 15 2008, 09:56 PM) *
Did you watch The Dark Knight? Batman punched like thirty guys over the course of the film. Dogs attacked him. Harvey Dent punched that guy in the courtroom. Two Face shot a half dozen people. Cars exploded. Buildings exploded. That one guy with the cell phone in his stomach exploded.

Brawling happened.

---

Anyway, everybody who has been like, "I don't get why Nathan wants to round up all the heroes," is totally right on. He has no motivation to go all megalomaniacal on us that isn't horrid and contrived. Left a bad taste in my mouth.


what i was saying was, that the movie didn't have huge fights that people tend to like to see, for example, in the x-men films, the terminator films (specifically the future war parts), the star wars films, lord of the rings, the matrix trilogy, etc... i use these as examples, because it seemed like people were expecting to see peter and the rest of the heroes face off against sylar and the other villains in one spectacular showdown.

and don't get me wrong, i LOVED the dark knight, but anyways, i guess what i'm trying to get at here is that a tv series or film doesn't necessarily have to have a big single face-off between two groups of people to be great. i'm thinking that the writers of heroes had this in mind when developing the story for each season - and of course, some people won't think it all that great, but that's just opinion.

as for nathan, at the very end, it fast-forwarded to three weeks later. i'm almost certain that volume 4 will touch upon the events that happened within that gap of time, and we'll get to see nathan's true motivation behind it.
TheDevil
QUOTE (Yamato @ Dec 16 2008, 04:05 AM) *
i'm almost certain that volume 4 will touch upon the events that happened within that gap of time, and we'll get to see nathan's true motivation behind it.


god knows they make us sit through a "flashback episode" every volume!
RiddlerHanjinome
QUOTE (Shrouded @ Dec 15 2008, 07:18 PM) *
I don't understand Nathan either. He wanted to give people abilities to do good, yet he wants to capture people with abilities, the good and the bad ones. Maybe he's just mad at Peter? Not good enough of an excuse though, IMO.
QUOTE (conspiracytheory @ Dec 15 2008, 07:56 PM) *
Anyway, everybody who has been like, "I don't get why Nathan wants to round up all the heroes," is totally right on. He has no motivation to go all megalomaniacal on us that isn't horrid and contrived. Left a bad taste in my mouth.


I thought it was pretty easy to figure out.

He was, when he had the chance, all "I wanna give these people powers, because I'm in charge of them and thumbsup.gif"

Now that he can't control everything through a task force of 50 BAMF Marines, he's trying to control everything another way
heroesultrafan
QUOTE (Dem @ Dec 15 2008, 07:57 PM) *
This is the end of the season, or atleast there will be no more episodes until February.

YOU'RE WRONG. Please get your facts right before telling people what is right and what is wrong.

Heroes Season 3- Volume 3 "Villains" last 13 episodes.
- Volume 4 "Fugitives" last 12 episodes.

All together, Season 3 spans 25 episodes.
Kewk
QUOTE (sawyer101 @ Dec 15 2008, 08:12 PM) *
Disappointed, Expecting a Huge Battle


If you have no expectations you wont be let down. Truth.
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