does everyone think that maybe Hiro wants his powers back and Ando doesnt want to give it back?

Hiro looked powerless in that fight they had in the future

Hiro being powerless would explain why he tried (uselessly) to attack Ando with his sword... but I think that future should be changed now. I'm glad Ando got his powers anyway.

That may have been why Hiro wanted the formula

I think Hiro is selfless and a hero all the way. He wouldn't try to get the formula for his own gain. Also he tore the formula up into tiny pieces, but when Ando had it, it was whole. So I think that future is gone.

True Hiro is selfless but maybe he realizes he needs his powers to save the world

I think that haduken of super charging power amplifier Ando threw at Hiro was to re-awaken Hiro's abilities. Which is probably how Hiro will get his abilities back.

I think (in the alternate future) that Ando would've grown to see how much powers can help people and that he was trying to deliver it back to Pinehearst, or protect it. Hiro has always been selfless and probably wanted it destroyed. He drew his sword because he had no powers, and Ando killed him.

lolno.

He did it with intentions of subduing him in order to secure Hiro's half of the formula.

Someone refresh my memory: what did we see between Hiro and Ando in the future exactly? I can't recall, but... if we saw Ando zap Hiro with red electricity and Hiro then disappeared, we now know that Ando didn't kill Hiro, but amplified Hiro's time travel and made Hiro disappear to another time/place.

Again, that's if we see Hiro disappear in that scene. I don't remember it exactly.

Hiro does not disappear he is laying on his back when the scene ends. We never knew if he was KOed or killed everyone jumped to the dead conclusion along with Hiro.

So how on earth did Ando kill Hiro with great red lightning bolts of... power enhancement?

That's the thing, he didn't kill him. He might've overloaded him, which is why he passed out, I suppose that might be a bit of offensive aspect to Ando's power instead of just being a support power.
Now, what I want to see is how Ando's power fares against the Haitian's as they're basically opposites.

i think that whole future has been erased. If you remember in that scene Hiro was holding the formula in his hand while getting killed by Ando.. but as we know now Hiro rips up the formula completely... which means that variation of the future will not occur.

This is Heroes writers way of saying forget future foreshadowing... everything can change. Remember the futur peter saw with people flying? Well, thats not happening anymore.. And remember Caitlin stuck in that other Future? Well, tim Kring already assured us in an interview that, that will never be revisited again...

It's a moot point. The future has been altered. Ando has different powers and couldn't kill Hiro with his powers if he wanted to (maybe?).

I was thinking today that perhaps Ando's power-amplification ability is fatal or at least damaging if used in contact with someone with no abilities. If future-Hiro still hasn't reacquired his ability, it would explain why the same red electricity that enhanced Parkman & Daphne would hurt future-Hiro.

Ando's power is not different from what we saw in the future. It is the same. They look exactly the same (red lightning). It is NOT a coincidence. The Haitian can wipe memories AND nullify powers. Why can't Ando amplify powers AND zap people to death/unconsciousness? At the very least it is some form of electricity so I'm sure he can do something with it.

The writers/editors would not make the power look exactly the same if it were different. The same happened the light and it dying with Arthur. They didn't choose the same special effect for the light as for Arthur's stolen powers being returned on his death as some thought. They aren't trying to trick us like that! If future Ando had normal lightning ala Elle, I'm sure they would have made it blue. At first we thought they just did it to make it look cool/different, but it actually IS different.

He may not be able to zap people with it like in the future straight away, but definitely with practice.

I will eat my hat and all of your hats if I am wrong!

I agree with Only3Penguins & Sayonara.

Is it possible that Hiro doesn't die, but is only incapacitated?

I need to rewatch, but is it possible that Ando was trying to help...


And that it was a super-charged FHiro that destroyed the world?

I agree with all before- that future is gone. (Or, forgive the pun, that future is history).

I'm thinking Hiro's powers are gone, sort of. The writers i think said no more time travel, so that I def think we will not see that again. But Hiro has to get something back - they can't keep him powerless for too long.

I bet if Ando amplifies Hiro's powers, he can reawaken them. But Hiro's powers can only be used with Ando there to charge them - kinda like Ando is Hiro's battery. They won't risk time travel bec without Ando - Hiro won't be able to access his powers, and get back. They can't risk getting separated/stuck. So they'll just stick to teleportation and stopping/slowing time.

Just my thoughts - bec I can't see them keeping Hiro with no powers.

My take on the Ando Hiro fight is this..

Hiro still had no powers. So when Ando supercharged him it just made him go unconscious since he had no power. I believe that Ando has the same power now as in the future episode. I think Ando was trying to recreate the formula to give Hiro back his powers and that Hiro being selfless as he is tried to stop Ando from doing just that.

Just my take..

Interesting the use of time travel makes them in opposite ends.

In the botch post Generations Exodus volume in order to save Odessa from the virus Ando tries to convince Hiro to time travel to stop it.

But after his father's death and their reunion Hiro places a self imposed temporal prime directive not to meddle with time.

Also I'm having a theory about the Eclipse, the Catalyst and Ando's power.

The Catalyst is some sort of bio energy that allows a special to have powers. In the GN the Aura's of Specials are different from Normals.

An energy produced by the eclipse cancelled that energy.

Ando's power may subtitute for the Catalyst if it is similar enough.

i don't remember but was the formula in the future all taped up? i thought it was..

I don't know how much the future actually did change, I mean Peter (in the first ep of the season) says they're being hunted and hiding and it never would have happened if they didn't know about us. That future sounds like it could be exactly the same in most respects, although the path it takes to get there has obviously altered

I think he zapped Hiro because Hiro wanted the formula to get his powers back to save everyone, but Ando realised that no matter how many times you travel through time, you can't change the future, so he zapped him unconcious.

In that particular reality...Hiro never lost his powers.

Hiro didn't lose his powers until that future was already rewritten in several ways.

And you know this how? Hiro attacked him with a sword. He could have just stopped time and done as he pleased if he still had his powers.

Seems like a likely series of events in that reality:

* Hiro still returns from a bad future
* Hiro and Ando still invstigate who stole the formula
* Still track Daphne to Paris and Berlin
* Still captured by the Haitian
* Still sent to get Adam Monroe, still lose him to Pinehearst
* Still recruited by Pinehearst, still sent to get Usutu
* Still mind-wiped by Arthur
* Still read 9thWonders, still find Matt Parkman
* Still track Daphne to Lawrence, Kansas
* Still in Kansas during the eclipse, still meets Sam and Frack
* Still finds 9thWonders! #1, still takes Claire to the past
* Still tracked down by Arthur, still has his powers and the catalyst stolen