Okay,lets face it folks there was alot of mixed up things that happened this volume.First it was titlted "Villians".We saw some here and there.But by the end of the volume they were all dead by :Sylar!And he didn't take most of their powers!It was said that there are far worse level 5 villians than him,but I guess his level 2 rating is stronger than those in level 5.
We open the volume with Sylar finding and stealing Claires power.Huh?That has still not been explained.How did he know to go to California?The Company couldn't find the Bennets until they caught up with them in Volume 2.But Sylar finds them instantly?And his taking Claires powers doesn't kill her??
Arthur is revealed alive and steals Adams powers,kills him and Maury.Seems like a waste.
Parkman goes on a spirit walk,finds out the future and falls for Daphne.Great!There is nothing wrong with love on heroes.Just ask Peter and Simone.Or Peter and Caitlian.Sylar and Elle.This doesn't look good Daphne.The girl always dies!
And Matt meets "African Isaac".Holy running out of ideas for powers!He turns out to be pretty cool,dealing with Hiro like he did.Only to have his head ripped off by Arthur?Again,a waste.
Then theres Nathan.Gets shot and comes back to life(still not explained) and finds God.As hes healing,runs into that familar blonde and sees a "ghost" of Linderman.He gets steered back down the path Daddy wants and at the end of the volume since he can't give powers to people he wants them rounded up??Days of Futures Past?
Than theres Hiro.I get hes the comic relief on the show.But come on!Hes had so many twists and turns in this one volume I can't even keep it straight!Please,he was a very powerful character,lets fi this and move on.
Arthur and Angela.Wow.People who hate each other but love one another.Angela tries to kill him before Volume 1.When he comes back he goes after all the pre cogs.And wants to create an army of Supermen.Only to be taken down,again.But this time by a bullet to the front of his head.I don't think he's dead!It has to hit the right spot afterall!And where did the Haitian go?I thought him and Peter where taking down Pinehearst!What he do,go for a soda?
Sylar.Starts off bad,gets confused and tries to be good.Gets easily confused by Angela and thikns hes a Petrelli.And still does in the futre hes cooking for his son.Continuity,its a beautiful thing.So back in the present,he goes to Pineheasrt to save Peter from Arthur and ends up joining him?Either hes an Emo and does what people tell him to or is the most F'd up person on the show.Ever.Than he falls for Ele,takes hwer powers withoput killing her only to turn on her later and kill her after he already has her power!Atleast when this happens hes back to his bad else self.Cake!LMAO.
And what was it with the catalyst anyway?Was it the Light Nathan talked about in the beginning?Arthur put it in the goo yet after hes shot it leaves his body?Wher did it go?Probably with the Haitian,having a soda.
Overall this has been a confusing and entertaining volume.However,from the next one I'm expecting alot more.Lets get back to what made Heroes popular to begin with.Engrossing stories and character growth.The wonder of discovery.And lets not forgt,fun.

Sylar read Claire's Company file on Mohinder's laptop at the end of Volume 2.



He chased after Sylar. Obviously he lost him.



If Peter hadn't seen that future, he and Sylar wouldn't have come to Pinehearst.



Or he just does what his parents tell him to.



It's makes the formula work properly. Yeah, it's the light Kaito was talking about in the premiere.



Part of it was in the goo, part of it was still in him. The part in him died when he died.

the whole thing with sylar taking claires ability didn't make sense. didnt they have to save her from sylar in the first season, save the cheerleader save the world. but aparently they didnt have to because claire cant die? that makes absolultly no sense at all

Save the cheerleader, save the world. Was all about keeping Sylar from getting Claire's ability and surviving the impale through his chest.


Edit: Which he did...anyway...

But he did anyway.

exactly, so there was absolutly no point in saving claire in season 1, because she can't die

they writers totally contradicted themselves on that one

Heroes is simple. Every season the World is going to end. It is up to our collective special people to save it. Season 1 NY explodes. Season 2 Virus wipes the planet. Season 3 heroes get hunted, no wait we changed that oh but now everyone gets powers and the world explodes. Season 4 heroes get hunted again.




You are right when there was no point in saving claire based on abilities and what we've seen. However there was a very strong point for Peter to believe he needs to 'save the cheerleader'. Especially at a time when he didn't understand his abilities or how to use them. Peter is very accident prone and needs all the healing he can get.

Saving the Cheerleader ended up being the key but not for any of the reasons they thought. If she was dead, Nathan wouldn't know she was his daughter, and she wouldn't have given him the lecture which was a major contributor to the Nathan flying Peter up into the air rather than letting NY blow up.

LOL.. I am now visioning the Haitian and the Light laughing it up over a couple of Mochas at the local Starbucks. Except the light has a slight aura of sadness as he can't drink the mocha as he has no stomach, let alone any other organs needed to complete the task. The Haitian picks up on the light's despair for being organ-challenged and then becomes somewhat passive-aggressive, noting how tasty the drink is. "Come on light.. why don't you take a sip? mmMMmm.. it is so good.."

Also if they didn't 'save the cheerleader---' Peter wouldn't have meet her, wouldn't have got the healing power from her-

But you're misinterpreting the meaning of "save the cheerleader, save the world." It doesn't mean "the world is doomed if Claire is hurt or killed ever." It means "save Claire from Sylar so that he doesn't get her ability and survive being stabbed and explode." ("Save" doesn't have to mean "save her life"). Of course, this was all figured out by future-Hiro who was of the belief that Sylar was the one who explodes when it was really Peter, but the point still is, STCSTW was a phrase that applied during a specific time, for specific circumstances. It was never meant to be taken as a universal rule to be followed forever.

Exactly.

And from what we've recently seen of FClaire, saving the cheerleader might still be necessary. Not from death, but from despair.

Or maybe it just means someone will have to go back and save Jackie in order to prevent some forthcoming apocalypse...

Wow... there is no way I am going to read this. Feel sorry for anyone who did. What pain.

PSSST everyone - don't forget that Claire was the catalyst in S1... could it be that that was why she needed saving?

I don't think so. Future Hiro didn't mention the catalyst. He just said she was the key to keep NY from blowing up. The catalyst was not a factor until season 3. Future Hiro probably hadn't opened his father's safe because his father wasn't killed by Adam. Arthur was probably blown up in NY.

Instead of telling Peter to save the cheerleader, why didn't future Hiro go and do it himself..

That's an interesting point. I think in season one some people brought up a rule where time travelers couldn't change the reason for them going back in the first place. But Future Peter thought it was Kill Nathan Save the World and he tried to do that himself. Maybe the rule applies and that's why Nathan lived. Otherwise, you would think Future Peter would have vanished the second he pulled the trigger because the Future Peter that came back may not have a scar or have a different motivation.

Just as a point of interest.. how much of the future can you actually change? Consider these -

1. f!Hiro asks Peter to save Claire so that Sylar would not get her regeneration ability & thus would not survive p!Hiro's killing attempt. f!Hiro succeeds in doing this - Sylar does not get Claire's ability - but Sylar still survives. Arguably, f!Hiro's actions allowed (through a long chain of events, as Renrut put earlier) Peter to detonate above NYC, but it wasn't f!Hiro's original intention.

2. Hiro tries to go back in time to save Charlie from Sylar. He fails, and comments that nothing regarding time can be changed.

3. f!Peter shoots p!Nathan to prevent the apocalyptic vision he sees, of everyone getting abilities. Through V3, all the Pinehearst happenings have only hinted towards that.

4. In S1's FYG, Sylar claims that Nathan "turned against his own kind before [Sylar] did". Does this mean that f!Peter's actions to change the present!future were all ultimately futile, as we see that Nathan has gone bad at the end of V3?


Sure, you can change small stuff - I don't think anyone denies this. But all the significant things don't seem to have differed!

Yeah, I can't say I'm too happy with what Volume III ultimately ended up being.

A lot of damage was done to one of the best shows on television because of where the creators decided to take the storyline. None of it makes a whole lot of sense and after all of what happened, very little of it seems to matter save for what the writers feel we should know to basically forget all about Volume III and start going along with this "Fugitives" storyarc which has the potential to be cool but again, a lot of damage was done this season and there's a lot of work that needs to be done to bring it back to what it once was.

Season One was fairly consistant in setting up the mythology of the show, even maintaining some pretty decent logic in its time travel elements. Season 3 however was all over the place and the attempts to link back to Season One seemed to just ruin things more. Episodes like "Villains", "The Eclipse", and "Our Father" while interesting concepts were just not executed very well and essentially only resulted in retconning the show which is something you do not want to do to a series like this especially one with so many fans relying on the writers to stay true to continuity.

Elle was responsible for creating Sylar? Er, okay, I'd buy it, if the characters just remained true to everything we knew before. But Elle for some reason, was no longer the traumatized sociopath we were introduced to in Season 2, she was a gentle spirit who only wanted to help Gabriel Gray. Whatever.

The eclipse from season one was when everything started? Huh? I'm pretty sure the episode "Six Months Ago" negates that suggestion as we all know that a majority of the Heroes had developed their abilities long before that eclipse. I'm cool with accepting the eclipse being linked but don't force me to believe something that I know isn't true.

What really bugged me is that Sylar's experience with the Shanti virus resulted in him losing all his powers...except telekensis. Wait, what? Why lose everything else but that? One of the coolest things about Sylar was that we had no idea how many abilities he had obtained and what he was truly capable of. Now none of that matters anymore because he has to start over from scratch. As does Peter. So the writers find it difficult to write with these characters because they're just too powerful? Get another job then! This is a show about superheroes!

Give Peter and Sylar their own kryptonite but don't strip them completely of their powers. And speaking of which Arthur ended up being a pretty cool bad guy because he took everyone's abilities but what did it matter? He got killed off fairly easily and all those powers, the Light...went to waste!

Anyway, I have more to vent but this post is already too long...

Pete saving Claire leads to Claire finding out she's a Petrelli, thus causing Nathan to realize letting NYC go boom is a bad idea.

I have two questions:

1: How did Nathan magically get cured?

2: Why is Claire "special"? We were led to believe it was the catalyst, but I guess that's not true

And I agree with the eclipse bringing them their powers, they had them long before the first eclipse happened

Totally agree with this one... it's like, they went through the effort to get Hiro to possess the "Catalyst" which could've turned into an interesting situation (with Hiro being the catalyst instead) but then Arthur just takes that opportunity away from Hiro.

Then Arthur dies immediately.

And then the "formula" infused by "The Light" gets tipped over in the lab and the lab explodes. Seems like a waste.

What the heck was the point of "the catalyst"?

Was the WHOLE "catalyst" thing just to lead up to Mohinder's "cure" in the end?

When stories bring up things, it needs to pay off in the end somehow so it can matter...

that's the thing about vol 3. they introduced so many cool concepts and didn't do anything with them. it was ultimately pointless in the end. it felt like the GN arc we got over the summer. it was all for nothing. they seriously could've split vol 3 into two parts and really built up all these ideas and new relationships. i think it would've worked out better that way in the end. everything would've seemed significant.

the main thing wrong about vol 3 is that claire was KILLED by sylar in the f_hiro's timeline. then when f_hiro went and indirectly saved her from sylar, she was said to "still be alive" and then was killed again by president Sylar in the future. this is where vol 3 made a continuity error. Sylar was able to kill Claire back then, but instead of just having Sylar spare her life.. they decided to make him say "i couldn't kill you if i wanted to".

also putting the catalyst in hiro would mean it was never put in claire which would then change the timeline drastically. kaito would believe the catalyst was lost and the formula would be useless, meaning arthur wouldn't be doing what he was doing. everything would be different. but of course changing the past is impossible so maybe that's their explanation?

elle in vol 3 was the epitome of terrible writing so i won't even get into that.

sylar using IA to mimic abilities w/o killing was an interesting idea. i think it would've been hilarious though if he tried to obtain powers like that for awhile but eventually became too impatient with someone and ended up cutting their skull open saying "who am i kidding? this is so much easier..."

i realized the writers are good at working with established relationships (introducing them as siblings/family, friends, or spouses) but obviously have trouble at creating new and believable love interests, in vol 3 anyway. sylar and elle was horrible, mo and maya was painful, and matt and daphne was embarrassing (the man was married... you'd think he'd know how to talk to women). just about every love interest felt forced and awkward, with everyone acting completely out of character (with the exception of daphne).

how did peter instantly become smart after he lost his abilities? was i the only one that thought the writers were heavily hinting at Peter using IA to outsmart the villians? the way he talked, read the map, and helped the haitian all demonstrated smarts beyond what we've seen from him. that would've been a cooler route for Peter to regain powers, instead of conveniently injecting himself at the last minute.

don't even get me started on the eclipse...




honestly i don't know how these problems were overlooked. i heard there was quite a debate over the eclipse.. who the hell decided these were good ideas? how is it that we see these problems and they don't? they should seriously gather a group of intelligent hardcore fans to run ideas by before going through with them.

to be fair we didnt see her die
we just saw him cut her head open
in that future

Well I don't know if fair is the proper word to use but yes, they didn't really show much beyond him slicing her head and ending up with her power. While Claire's inability to ever die (according to Sylar) was obviously an afterthought in terms of her surviving one of his power-stealing attacks, it can easily be accepted that Future Claire slapped her scalp back on and continued about her life.

BUT, tickitytack is right, in the original timeline Claire was supposed to be dead.

The problem with all of this is that it all comes down to how Sylar takes the abilities in the first place. The writers never gave us enough information on how it all went down and instead left us to assume the most gruesome possibilities. Did he eat the brains? As Sylar would eventually say as he stole Claire's ability in Volume III, "...that's disgusting."

But the way he took the power from Claire was clean, with precision and gentleness. So he didn't eat brains, I can buy that...but Sylar was not a clean cut surgeon in season one. When he cut open their heads throughout the first Volume he didn't even leave the brain in the head. In fact, most if not all of the victims shown to us had their brain missing.

Claire could very likely be killed if her brains were no longer intact or attached so that's why it made sense that Sylar killed her *twice* in Season One. But Sylar's explanation that she could never be killed doesn't make much sense considering that the characters who absorbed her ability (Future Peter, Sylar, and Arthur) all wound up dead in Volume III. Ok, I'm not really thinking that Sylar is officially dead but Future Peter and Arthur seemed very much dead. In the end though the whole resurrection thing is also inconsistent on this show. If Future Peter and Arthur are dead, then why was Sylar and Claire able to come back as soon as the Eclipse ended? Future Peter and Arthur should've been able to get up and walk away as soon as the Haitian left the building. Inconsistent indeed

In all reality, it wasn't the idea that they were saving the cheerleader from death that saved the world but saving her... or more importantly... her power, from being taken by Sylar, which misguided Future Hiro believed would stop the explosion since his past self was not able to kill him due to his regeneration. "Save the Cheerleader, save the world" was the belief of one character and not necessarily the reality of the entire show.