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rayne
analytical ability: ability to compute and process information at incredible speed
Citizen
Or accelerated probability. Of course, it isn't canon/official until it appears in an actual scene in the show, or in the Evolutions material Santawink.gif
rayne
i like the accelerated probability for kaito n' he moves pretty quick for an older guy n his reflexes seem to be a side effect of that ability but it isnt canon so i made up a different name even though its a borin ability that makes you rich. lol
RotanevSitnem
There are a couple of suspect abilities:

* Accelerated Probability
* Some form of mental enhancement (Kaito said "of all of them, I never expected it to be you" when Adam Monroe came to kill him, he also knew that Hiro would open the safe sometime after his death).

jabber
QUOTE (RotanevSitnem @ Mar 2 2010, 07:28 AM) *
There are a couple of suspect abilities:

* Accelerated Probability
* Some form of mental enhancement (Kaito said "of all of them, I never expected it to be you" when Adam Monroe came to kill him, he also knew that Hiro would open the safe sometime after his death).

New GN all but confirms this.
revcurse
QUOTE (jabber @ Mar 2 2010, 02:17 PM) *
New GN all but confirms this.


What did it confirm. The GN didn't really seem explain, I probably missed the hints what his power was.
RotanevSitnem
For now it is unconfirmed, it is hinted to be some form of mental enhancement (possibly along the lines of Enhanced Memory, although not that) as he was unable to physically stop Adam Monroe from pushing him off the Deveaux building.
Creator
Angela says to Kaito "You knew what would happen if Chris went out and talked to that crowd, didn't you?" They realized then that, like them, he too had a special ability. This was the "hint". His ability to "predict"/calculate the possible outcome of Chris's actions. thumbsup.gif

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MagnificoG
I agree that the GN conforms totally with the deleted scene in S2. I think his ability is exactly as he described it to Ando. However, I don't like the "Accelerated Probability" title, as that is Santiago's stated power, and Kaito clearly does not have Speed. As for his not being able to stop Adam from killing him, lets not forget his mental state at the time. He had already been told he was to die on that rooftop, yet had adamantly insisted Hiro let it happen, hardly the attitude of someone prepared to use every ounce of his ability to stave off death.
Creator
MagG,

Whatever we call Kaito's ability, it should not be confused with IA. I've seen where fans are comparing it to Sylar's IA.

Being able to accurately predict an outcome is a somewhat related ability, but I would not say that it is equivalent to (or encompasses) being able to understanding how any complex system works.

What do you think about this? huh.gif

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FlyingGirl
The name of Kaito Nakamura's ablity?

Awesomeness!
RotanevSitnem
It seems that Kaito either has an ability that either allows him to come up with the availible outcomes of a situation and choose to carry out the most favourable one, i'm thinking it's Enhanced Mental Processing (the most likely), either that or...he has probability manipulation (about f****** time that shows up!).

All that is certain is it's purely mental, it has no physical enhancment as he couldn't stop Adam Monroe from pushing him off the rooftop, unless...he decided that would produce the more favourable outcome from the events that followed...
Creator
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The name of Kaito Nakamura's ablity? Awesomeness!
FlyingGirl,
Can you imagine he and Gabriel playing a game of chess?! thumbsup.gif
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siberia82
QUOTE (Creator @ Mar 5 2010, 01:48 PM) *
Can you imagine he and Gabriel playing a game of chess?! thumbsup.gif


Ooo la la, I'd love to see that! Santaw00t.gif
MagnificoG
QUOTE (Creator @ Mar 5 2010, 07:54 AM) *
MagG,

Whatever we call Kaito's ability, it should not be confused with IA. I've seen where fans are comparing it to Sylar's IA.

Being able to accurately predict an outcome is a somewhat related ability, but I would not say that it is equivalent to (or encompasses) being able to understanding how any complex system works.

What do you think about this? huh.gif

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I agree with you, but you can't blame fans for the confusion, I think they really got out of hand with how far his ability stretched. Something that understood the workings of machines (mechanical and biological) got basically expanded to include conversation dynamics and interactions with strangers. That should be Kaito's forte', not Gabriel. I would have preferred they kept his ability the way it was initially described.

QUOTE (RotanevSitnem @ Mar 5 2010, 11:11 AM) *
It seems that Kaito either has an ability that either allows him to come up with the availible outcomes of a situation and choose to carry out the most favourable one, i'm thinking it's Enhanced Mental Processing (the most likely), either that or...he has probability manipulation (about f****** time that shows up!).

All that is certain is it's purely mental, it has no physical enhancment as he couldn't stop Adam Monroe from pushing him off the rooftop, unless...he decided that would produce the more favourable outcome from the events that followed...

I like that title. As for it having no physical connection, I don't think we can totally rule it out. Remember he had already resigned himself to the fact he would die that night, hardly the mindset of someone prepared to fight tooth and nail to stay alive. I also remember the GN with Ando and Kimiko where the thugs saw Kaito and were immediately scared. That kind of fear isn't instilled in street toughs because you are good at picking stocks. (IMO) Not to mention his training of Hiro before Kirby Plaza. Hiro himself said something to the effect of "You are a CEO that works in an office, what do know about battle?"
psychopathicROC
I think the probability manipulation gives him reflex, speed and skills by the ability to intinctively predict where the next punch/kick/sword swipe is coming from; It makes way more sense that his death was a noble heroic sacrifice, that the probability of the world turning out better because of Hiro's maturation is more beneficial than anything Kaito could do alive.
MagnificoG
QUOTE (psychopathicROC @ Mar 6 2010, 01:13 AM) *
I think the probability manipulation gives him reflex, speed and skills by the ability to intinctively predict where the next punch/kick/sword swipe is coming from; It makes way more sense that his death was a noble heroic sacrifice, that the probability of the world turning out better because of Hiro's maturation is more beneficial than anything Kaito could do alive.


See, that, to me at least, exemplifies the problem Creator and I seem to share, in that there's been overlap between Kaito's ability and IA. Since I assume we all agree Kaito couldn't understand the variables in Brian Davis's brain and acquire TK, then why did they expaand IA into areas Kaito's gift dwells? The writing hasn't put forth clear enough boundaries for abilities. I agree that "Enhanced Mental Processing" (credit to Rotanevsitnem)! should be a purely cerebral ability, not enhancing his reflexes or musculature. Just like Molly's clairvoyant ability to sense faraway people doesn't also give her the enhanced vision to see them. But, Kaito's ability seems unconnected to Santiago and Edwardo's. At this point, I'm almost waiting for the Heroes brass to officially declare the "Destiny" webisode non-canon. They had unexplained multipkle abilities, a well founded company that employed "one of us, one of them" and no familiar character connections (unlike any of the other webisodes). To me, Santiago had Kaito and Daphne's ability. Edwardo had Kaito's, Dahpne's, and Elle's ability. ugh.
psychopathicROC
I've never watched those particular webisodes; Really didn't get into that until this year (Doyle, Slow Burn) so i'm just wondering what the 411 on Santiago, Destiny, etc is all about? I think I saw the Echo ones back in the day too.
RotanevSitnem
So the main suspect abilities are:

* Enhanced Mental Processing, he didn't expect Adam Monroe to be the killer, which might mean the processing is based on known variables.
* A Probability based ability (other than Accelerated Probability as it doesn't provide physical enhancement), i'm hoping it's Probability Manipulation (please let it be that one!) as it's difficult to throw a harmonica at the right speed and the right angle to successfully kill someone. It could even help him with combination locks, he does any combination he feels like and his ability makes him get the right one. In combat, it wouldn't enhance his physical capabilities, it would simply aid him in refining what was already there.
revcurse
How about IP (Intuitive Probability), I say this only becuase with his ability he could manipulate the outcome, or choose not to. His ability would be passive, his brain understanding probability/outcomes of everything all the time. But I have to say that the GN, the situation with Angela saying that how he knew that would happen, that was kind of a no brainer, don't think he needed an ability to know that one. That guy was due to get popped.
thecordler
one thing to remember about enhanced probability is that the probability choices are determined by the user. Kaito didn't think it would be adam monroe, for all we knew his power suggested ANGELA, MAURY, VICTORIA, or BOB about 50 times more than Adam. Which resulted in his statement "i didn't think it would be you"

while Accelerated Probability gives you amny avenues of choice it does not however give you the answer to which one is the most ideal in nature.

Intuitive Aptitude however works by solving the complex string and giving you the most correct choice, without givin you the alternative answers or scenarios to play out. Removing the moral implication of indescision. An example would be to save that girl with 100 % success you would fly through the air and use TK to push her away from an oncoming car. there are no alternatives or extra fluff in your descision, where probability may help give you an extra route that has more failure in chance but discovery of another life to be saved on the way.
RotanevSitnem
So the list of suspect abilities:

Enhanced Mental Processing - A Passive ability that accelerates the speed in which they process the availible information, allowing them to decide the course they think is best.

Intuitive Probability - see recurvse's post, basically an intuitive understanding of probability, allowing the user to determine different outcomes, aiding them in choosing which they think is best.

Probability Manipulation - Basically allowing the user to "make their own luck" or take it from others, continual misses from gunshots, unexplained twisted muscles and vehicle breakdowns near his location or on the other hand, can alter the odds to win a poker tournament.


The first two abilities depend on known variables, ehich is why Kaito didn't see Adam Monroe coming. Probability Manipulation would be a good one, that's my personal favourate of the suspect abilities.

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