I may not be a member with a huge number of posts, but I've had my time here, and in it, I have had to put up with a lot of annoying comebacks, comments, and simply unnecessary feedback from a large number of members at these boards. I really thought I should give a sincere opinion before I left incase it would make any impact of how these forums are run and how the people here act.
I've never posted a snide, mean, or know-it all post, nor have I ever added a drop or sarcasm to add buzz to my posts. I simply like to try to discuss here, because I considered myself one of the biggest fans of the show, and enjoy deep discussions about it, and this seemed to be the place with the biggest population of people like myself.
Unfortunately, it seems often when I go to threads to comment, I try to read up on what has recently been discussed in the last page-or-so of posts, and it is bickering and bantering and insulting to both the people fighting, and to me, along with other people who have to deal with having to post around all this junk. If I joined in the conversation at this time, I would be subjected to insults for posting in the middle of their bickering. Posts where I simply put my opinion have been torn to shreds, which could be understood if A) I said them in a know-it-all manner B) My posts were uneducated, far-out, or ridiculous thoughts or C) people would tear them to shreds with information, ideas, or further formal dicussion. But, for no good reason, people seem to take sport in destroying the thoughts of others.
The last straw was when I read a page of discussion where people were in a dilemma about the status of a particular character. My post was about a half a page after these discussions, but where in the middle of 2 or 3 other people's posts. For this, I get a 100% sarcastic remark in return that was completely unnecessary, and I could only wonder if this person talked to other people in that manner, seeing and they had MANY posts, and must have a pretty large opinion if they feel the need to reply like that to me. Not only that, they *edited* their post just to comment that I mispelled a characters name in my post by adding an extra letter, and left by calling me a name.
Now, Im actually a person who enjoys going to forums where people bash eachother out of true sport. If everybody does it, and its expected, and thats what the intent of the forum is, then that is a fun thing. But here, I expected something else, and more and more, I get distracted from what I come here to do by a number of members who are not told to keep rude comments to themselves. Either these people need to be discouraged from talking like that (or coming here at all) or forum leaders should further enforce upon this type of behavior. It's ridiculous, and it's just caused me to leave these forums completely.
Heroes rocks my socks,
-Mitch
Full Version: Leaving these forums due to constant cruelty.
Mmm. I love when people flounce! It's fluffy.
If a post offends your delicate sensibilities, well, that's what the "REPORT" button is for. Also, it's an open forum. This generally means that people will make snide remarks since they get to hide behind the comfort of a computer screen and several hundred miles of fiberoptic cable.
If you don't like someone's opinion, you have a few options:
1) Report it if it's offensive.
2) Ignore it.
3) Take it to PMs with the party or parties involved.
4) Make a thread to complain about people complaining (Lord knows that's nothing new here).
5) Call the person out on it in the thread (though, IMO, just reporting it to a mod and letting them deal with it is usually simpler and more effective).
Sorry you had such a craptacular time. Internet is srs bsns, etc., etc.
If a post offends your delicate sensibilities, well, that's what the "REPORT" button is for. Also, it's an open forum. This generally means that people will make snide remarks since they get to hide behind the comfort of a computer screen and several hundred miles of fiberoptic cable.
If you don't like someone's opinion, you have a few options:
1) Report it if it's offensive.
2) Ignore it.
3) Take it to PMs with the party or parties involved.
4) Make a thread to complain about people complaining (Lord knows that's nothing new here).
5) Call the person out on it in the thread (though, IMO, just reporting it to a mod and letting them deal with it is usually simpler and more effective).
Sorry you had such a craptacular time. Internet is srs bsns, etc., etc.
QUOTE (Begemot Geroi @ Dec 23 2008, 12:12 AM) 
Mmm. I love when people flounce! It's fluffy.
If a post offends your delicate sensibilities, well, that's what the "REPORT" button is for. Also, it's an open forum. This generally means that people will make snide remarks since they get to hide behind the comfort of a computer screen and several hundred miles of fiberoptic cable.
If you don't like someone's opinion, you have a few options:
1) Report it if it's offensive.
2) Ignore it.
3) Take it to PMs with the party or parties involved.
4) Make a thread to complain about people complaining (Lord knows that's nothing new here).
5) Call the person out on it in the thread (though, IMO, just reporting it to a mod and letting them deal with it is usually simpler and more effective).
Sorry you had such a craptacular time. Internet is srs bsns, etc., etc.
If a post offends your delicate sensibilities, well, that's what the "REPORT" button is for. Also, it's an open forum. This generally means that people will make snide remarks since they get to hide behind the comfort of a computer screen and several hundred miles of fiberoptic cable.
If you don't like someone's opinion, you have a few options:
1) Report it if it's offensive.
2) Ignore it.
3) Take it to PMs with the party or parties involved.
4) Make a thread to complain about people complaining (Lord knows that's nothing new here).
5) Call the person out on it in the thread (though, IMO, just reporting it to a mod and letting them deal with it is usually simpler and more effective).
Sorry you had such a craptacular time. Internet is srs bsns, etc., etc.
1. Reporting does nothing, that's the problem. At the same time, it's often not something "reportable," simply people having no respect, and for no reason.
2. Ignoring it is the method I've been using for a year, and it doesn't go away.
3. The last thing I want to do is start an argument with people who obviously have a short fuse.
4. That takes time, space, and makes negative posts that nobody wants to read. If that's nothing new here, then that's a shame. If this place wasn't like that, and respect was something simply demanded, that wouldn't be a problem.
5. If I call a person out, they fight back, when I'm on here, like other people, to discuss have have fun... not start up fights... especially as a person with a low post count, it obviously doesn't mean much what I say when it comes to anything but things relating to the show.
Well, I'm outta here now. I won't be responding to any more posts or replies, nor do I care what the replies are. I really just wanted to say my two cents before I stopped caring about this place entirely. I really hope this didn't sound like me bashing, because it wasn't the point. I was just hoping this place might change, so when a spark of interest reminds me of this place in the distant future, it might be different when I sneak a peak around again some day.
Byezers!
-Mitch
I certainly am not supportive of fighting or rude behavior on the boards and such. These forums are meant to be a good place for friendly discussion. If these posters you are speaking of are acting contrary to a friendly environment, then they should be informed that rude behavior is not ok. There are sections of the Forum Rules that I feel are probably relevant:
As moderators, we aren't always going to catch everything, so things will slip by from time to time. This does not mean the behavior missed was considered acceptable, just we didn't know to do anything about it. As members of the board, you can help us out. If you see something you feel violates the board rules, offends you, is out of place, uncalled for, whatever, just hit the Report button and leave a description of the problem (a short description usually will suffice). The Report button is basically a way of telling the mods "Hey, check this out!" Reports don't always even have to be for bad things, so if you want a mod to help fix a simple mistake such as fixing a spelling error in a thread title or moving something to the right place, that's fine. Whatever the problem is, it's just good to let us know before it builds up. We don't catch or see everything, so the feedback from reports really helps. Even if it isn't something outright against the rules, if you feel there's something wrong, let us know. Upon viewing the post, the moderators will be able to make a judgment call.
From BG's suggestions, only 2 of them are preferable. Either report or PM the person to try and resolve things. The offender may not realize how their actions affect people or realize that it's unacceptable. A moderator can PM a warning to that individual, which should get the message across. Further action can be taken if necessary. Anyways, please don't propogate the problem by posting about it in the thread or making a thread to complain about it.
Sorry to hear that you've had these problems, Mitch, and hope that one day you'll feel the forums are once more a good place for discussion of Heroes.
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1. NO FLAMING, INSULTS, PERSONAL ATTACKS
Flaming is a mean-spirited cheap shot at another member or a member's post. Personal attacks on someone just because of a disagreement with their point of view will not be tolerated.
Responding to a Flame is JUST as bad as having flamed someone yourself. If someone comes into a thread and posts comments that you deem "flaming" then report them.
Being a little critical of performances is one thing, but actors are people too. Whether you think their performances were good or bad, feel free to talk about it. But please do so as if you were talking to the actor face to face. You need to treat the celebrities the way you'd treat any other users on the boards. Moderators will delete any messages that are considered flames to actors or other users.
2. DIFFERENCES OF OPINION
Each person is just as entitled to their opinion as you are your own. So, after posting your opinion, they are just as entitled to post their own. Try not to take it personally and don't respond to them to contradict them or to further explain your ideas. If you need to clarify your argument, then edit your initial post to provide more information. Don't waste forum space by repeating yourself. You aren't going to change anyone's mind. Just let it go.
And for those who have an opposite opinion to the one initially posted, don't direct your comments AT the original poster. Just post your opinion, without referring to the original post or poster, and let it stand on its own merit.
3. NO DERAGATORY REMARKS
It is unacceptable to judge, condemn, or otherwise villify or make fun of anyone that is not like you. If you can't make a point without degrading someone else, you are not welcome here. All posters must refrain from making comments that could ordinarily be construed as sexist, homophobic, ethnocentric, racist, or significantly demeaning any individual or group on the basis of disability, age, political inclinations or religion. What is construed as demeaning or hateful is up to the ultimate discretion of the moderators.
Flaming is a mean-spirited cheap shot at another member or a member's post. Personal attacks on someone just because of a disagreement with their point of view will not be tolerated.
Responding to a Flame is JUST as bad as having flamed someone yourself. If someone comes into a thread and posts comments that you deem "flaming" then report them.
Being a little critical of performances is one thing, but actors are people too. Whether you think their performances were good or bad, feel free to talk about it. But please do so as if you were talking to the actor face to face. You need to treat the celebrities the way you'd treat any other users on the boards. Moderators will delete any messages that are considered flames to actors or other users.
2. DIFFERENCES OF OPINION
Each person is just as entitled to their opinion as you are your own. So, after posting your opinion, they are just as entitled to post their own. Try not to take it personally and don't respond to them to contradict them or to further explain your ideas. If you need to clarify your argument, then edit your initial post to provide more information. Don't waste forum space by repeating yourself. You aren't going to change anyone's mind. Just let it go.
And for those who have an opposite opinion to the one initially posted, don't direct your comments AT the original poster. Just post your opinion, without referring to the original post or poster, and let it stand on its own merit.
3. NO DERAGATORY REMARKS
It is unacceptable to judge, condemn, or otherwise villify or make fun of anyone that is not like you. If you can't make a point without degrading someone else, you are not welcome here. All posters must refrain from making comments that could ordinarily be construed as sexist, homophobic, ethnocentric, racist, or significantly demeaning any individual or group on the basis of disability, age, political inclinations or religion. What is construed as demeaning or hateful is up to the ultimate discretion of the moderators.
As moderators, we aren't always going to catch everything, so things will slip by from time to time. This does not mean the behavior missed was considered acceptable, just we didn't know to do anything about it. As members of the board, you can help us out. If you see something you feel violates the board rules, offends you, is out of place, uncalled for, whatever, just hit the Report button and leave a description of the problem (a short description usually will suffice). The Report button is basically a way of telling the mods "Hey, check this out!" Reports don't always even have to be for bad things, so if you want a mod to help fix a simple mistake such as fixing a spelling error in a thread title or moving something to the right place, that's fine. Whatever the problem is, it's just good to let us know before it builds up. We don't catch or see everything, so the feedback from reports really helps. Even if it isn't something outright against the rules, if you feel there's something wrong, let us know. Upon viewing the post, the moderators will be able to make a judgment call.
From BG's suggestions, only 2 of them are preferable. Either report or PM the person to try and resolve things. The offender may not realize how their actions affect people or realize that it's unacceptable. A moderator can PM a warning to that individual, which should get the message across. Further action can be taken if necessary. Anyways, please don't propogate the problem by posting about it in the thread or making a thread to complain about it.
Sorry to hear that you've had these problems, Mitch, and hope that one day you'll feel the forums are once more a good place for discussion of Heroes.
I have to agree with Kurt here. The mods are a bit understaffed and absoultely cannot preview every single post that is posted on the boards. Some members are more diligent than others in reporting posts, but any member, regardless of post count has the same rights as all other members, that is to be treated with respect. If there is any concern for flaming, insults, or demeaning posts, then please, report them. The report button sends your message to all the current mods, so we receive the report in PM. Now, the down side to this is that it's possible that a mod may not be on when the report is placed and only until the mods check in will the report be seen. Also, its up to the mods themselves to decide if the report has validity and whether or not something needs to be done. Know that we have acted on posters and posts because of the 'report' button. It isn't a worthless key on the boards.
QUOTE (TheAmazingMitch @ Dec 23 2008, 03:31 AM)
Stuff.
Dude, you can't post a flounce post and cry, "I'M LEAVING! PUH!" then come back and reply. That totally defeats the purpose of flouncing.
QUOTE (TheAmazingMitch @ Dec 23 2008, 08:03 AM)
I have had to put up with a lot of annoying comebacks, comments, and simply unnecessary feedback from a large number of members at these boards.
...it is bickering and bantering and insulting to both the people fighting, and to me, along with other people who have to deal with having to post around all this junk.
...For this, I get a 100% sarcastic remark in return that was completely unnecessary, and I could only wonder if this person talked to other people in that manner, seeing and they had MANY posts, and must have a pretty large opinion if they feel the need to reply like that to me. Not only that, they *edited* their post just to comment that I mispelled a characters name in my post by adding an extra letter, and left by calling me a name.
.. It's ridiculous, and it's just caused me to leave these forums completely.
...it is bickering and bantering and insulting to both the people fighting, and to me, along with other people who have to deal with having to post around all this junk.
...For this, I get a 100% sarcastic remark in return that was completely unnecessary, and I could only wonder if this person talked to other people in that manner, seeing and they had MANY posts, and must have a pretty large opinion if they feel the need to reply like that to me. Not only that, they *edited* their post just to comment that I mispelled a characters name in my post by adding an extra letter, and left by calling me a name.
.. It's ridiculous, and it's just caused me to leave these forums completely.
Dude, welcome to life.
We all have to put up with some jerk at some point, whether it's someone set on being annoying, or someone who rides into a topic on their horse,proclaiming themselves to be right and everyone else wrong. (Particularly the latter on these boards!)
At the end of the day, I don't think most of the members on the board intentionally try and grind your gears, and whilst I think there are one or two idiots on the board, they are no reason to leave the forums completely! Grow a pair and deal with it! Some people (most) actually have interesting and insightful posts, which by far make up for it. We all have to put up with ****!
Peace
p.s I think cruelty is a rather strong word to use in reference to internet forums....
QUOTE (Begemot Geroi @ Dec 24 2008, 04:14 AM)
Dude, you can't post a flounce post and cry, "I'M LEAVING! PUH!" then come back and reply. That totally defeats the purpose of flouncing.
You are only sad he caught your mean comments right? :P
TheAmazingMitch
Sorry you had such a bad time here. :/
Feel free to check out our got-heroes forums to see if we might fit you more.
For now I wish you all the best and happy holidays for you and your family.
QUOTE (Raekon @ Dec 24 2008, 09:03 AM)
You are only sad he caught your mean comments right? :P
I know that's a rhetorical question but, no, not really.
QUOTE (Sayonara @ Dec 24 2008, 05:33 AM)
We all have to put up with some jerk at some point, whether it's someone set on being annoying, or someone who rides into a topic on their horse,proclaiming themselves to be right and everyone else wrong. (Particularly the latter on these boards!)
At the end of the day, I don't think most of the members on the board intentionally try and grind your gears, and whilst I think there are one or two idiots on the board, they are no reason to leave the forums completely! Grow a pair and deal with it! Some people (most) actually have interesting and insightful posts, which by far make up for it. We all have to put up with ****!
At the end of the day, I don't think most of the members on the board intentionally try and grind your gears, and whilst I think there are one or two idiots on the board, they are no reason to leave the forums completely! Grow a pair and deal with it! Some people (most) actually have interesting and insightful posts, which by far make up for it. We all have to put up with ****!
I just have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with these statements. Also, I believe can count on one hand the people that I think the OP is referring to. While some people have an abrasive style, I think they don't intentionally mean to insult any other poster.
You say "ugh" and move on, or if it's bad enough, you report it. I know that I've taken both of those courses of action. I will also vouch for the mods here: I've seen posts that I've reported get deleted.
I'm sorry that it got bad enough for you to leave, Mitch. I hope you reported the posters or sent a PM to a mod before you went so that they know who to be watching or what threads might need some reviewing.
Welcome to the internet! Really, you need to learn to ignore it. I mean it is only the net right? Probably the ones who are doing this are over weight with two heads and have both sex organs. They have to compensate somehow!
Sheesh! (I bet you are empathic! LOL! Laughing with you here, not against ya!)
Sheesh! (I bet you are empathic! LOL! Laughing with you here, not against ya!)
QUOTE (Begemot Geroi @ Dec 23 2008, 03:12 AM)
Mmm. I love when people flounce! It's fluffy.
If a post offends your delicate sensibilities, well, that's what the "REPORT" button is for. Also, it's an open forum. This generally means that people will make snide remarks since they get to hide behind the comfort of a computer screen and several hundred miles of fiberoptic cable.
If a post offends your delicate sensibilities, well, that's what the "REPORT" button is for. Also, it's an open forum. This generally means that people will make snide remarks since they get to hide behind the comfort of a computer screen and several hundred miles of fiberoptic cable.
Come on, man. Listen, the guy has a point. Would it be so horrible if we all tried to be a little less forward in conversations? Even if you have never insulted anyone in your life, it can't hurt to try and improve the way you interact with other people.
Is it bothersome when someone posts a thread like this? Yeah, but you know what...I've seen a lot of posts on this forum where people who are "Leaving" post some rude, disgusting things. At least the OP wasn't that. He had a poor experience and he was reacting to it. An outside reader would look at the first response, yours, and conclude "Oh, so that is what he meant". We all in this community are much, much better then that.
Some people are going to be sarcastic and insist thoroughly that they are correct on whatever subject is at hand. That's life. You either find your own way to adjust to that or you avoid it altogether. But, that doesn't mean it is okay for us to lash out. I have noticed that as of late the discussions here get heated right off the bat. I mean, remember this guys...we aren't battling here. We are all fans of the show, I think sometimes that gets forgotten. You gotta find unity in that, not competition.
Leek... well said! ... and Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah and a Joyous Holiday Season to all
QUOTE (Leek @ Dec 25 2008, 04:01 AM)
Come on, man. Listen, the guy has a point. Would it be so horrible if we all tried to be a little less forward in conversations?
No, it wouldn't be horrible. But as other people have said, this is the internet, and people feel safe saying what they want since there are miles of fiberoptic cable between you and the next person.
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Even if you have never insulted anyone in your life, it can't hurt to try and improve the way you interact with other people.
I'm pretty sure that if someone's said they've never insulted anyone in their life, well, they're probably lying. We've all, whether inadvertently through our abrasive personalities, or purposely, insulted someone.
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An outside reader would look at the first response, yours, and conclude "Oh, so that is what he meant".
Honesty is a bad thing? Seriously, if people have a problem with a post and find it offensive, that is what the "REPORT" function is for. Or the PM system.
Personally, I find flounce posts to be more of a "OMG LOOK AT MEEEE! PAY ATTENSHUN TO MEEEE! I'M LEAVING! SEE ME LEAVING! OH EM GEE GUIZ, CAN YOU SEE ME LEAVING?" kind of thing rather than an annoyance.
I'm not saying I'm right or wrong here; I'm saying that there are other ways of handling issues with certain people by reporting the posts they find offensive, or taking it up with them personally via PMs.
It doesn't seem as much of a "flounce post" as it does just trying to get a point across to the mods.
At least he didn't post it in the BTD or somewhere dumb, ya know?
I agree that the report button probably might have come of better use, but he's getting his point across, isn't he? I think that's what he wanted.
And I agree with him, for the most part.
Don't leave because of a few rude people, Mitch, hope to see you around some other time when things have cooled down.
At least he didn't post it in the BTD or somewhere dumb, ya know?
I agree that the report button probably might have come of better use, but he's getting his point across, isn't he? I think that's what he wanted.
And I agree with him, for the most part.
Don't leave because of a few rude people, Mitch, hope to see you around some other time when things have cooled down.
QUOTE (ColorMeToxic @ Dec 25 2008, 09:42 PM)
At least he didn't post it in the BTD or somewhere dumb, ya know?
Excellent wording, Toxic. 
Anyways, I'm sorry that people's rude comments have caused you to leave he boards. I sometimes find myself fed up with people's arrogance, but in most cases, I do use the REPORT button. Eventually, the problem is solved and the person quits being a hassle. I know of a few of these people you're talking about. However, don't let a few people get you down. We're a community. Things 'll get taken care of.
I know I'm late on this but I can identify with the OP. This board has gone downhill in terms of the negativity. Season one there were more posts commenting on how great the show was, rather than some obvious plotholes. Now it seems near impossible to find a post that isn't negative. I can also identify with what the OP says about people being cruel. They are.. sometimes it's unconsciously done though, there are some nice people on this board who I have seen make cruel posts... I probably have done some too. If you think you are going to find a board where people don't hate or make fun of you for your opinion, let me know how your search goes.
IT'S CALLED THE INTERNET! People are idiots. People can do and say things on the internet that you wouldn't get away with in real life.. that's what makes the internet so annoying.. and great at the same time. You can't criticize the mods for not being there. what do you expect. If I read somewhere where someone says "Sylar is the crappiest villain of all time, he's so stupid, his lines are so cheesy. People who like him stupid idiots" Sure yeah... it hurts when someone says that, it's inconsiderate, but it's someones opinion, isn't that something you would be looking for when you are on a message board? Or do you expect everyone to love what you love? And what do you expect the mods to do if you report them. "Block" them for their opinion?
If you find the negativity too much, than just simply avoid it. Don't bother going into the thread that says "Heroes has sucked since season 1" what do you think you can achieve by going there? Go to the threads you like. I personally got fed up with the negativity, that didn't mean I left the forum after making a great departure thread voicing my opinions of the forum and how it's no longer as great and friendly as it used to be. I just don't go to threads that I know are going to erk me. I stay in the SArmy thread for a reason.
Seriously buddy, it's the internet.. Welcome to life.
IT'S CALLED THE INTERNET! People are idiots. People can do and say things on the internet that you wouldn't get away with in real life.. that's what makes the internet so annoying.. and great at the same time. You can't criticize the mods for not being there. what do you expect. If I read somewhere where someone says "Sylar is the crappiest villain of all time, he's so stupid, his lines are so cheesy. People who like him stupid idiots" Sure yeah... it hurts when someone says that, it's inconsiderate, but it's someones opinion, isn't that something you would be looking for when you are on a message board? Or do you expect everyone to love what you love? And what do you expect the mods to do if you report them. "Block" them for their opinion?
If you find the negativity too much, than just simply avoid it. Don't bother going into the thread that says "Heroes has sucked since season 1" what do you think you can achieve by going there? Go to the threads you like. I personally got fed up with the negativity, that didn't mean I left the forum after making a great departure thread voicing my opinions of the forum and how it's no longer as great and friendly as it used to be. I just don't go to threads that I know are going to erk me. I stay in the SArmy thread for a reason.
Seriously buddy, it's the internet.. Welcome to life.
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