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bhero2all
Options are:

They know he is powerless but still find him a threat.

They are unaware entirely that Arthur took his power.

or...

Hiro somehow does have a power and maybe does not know himself.

If it is the case they took him and know he is powerless what kind of implication is that? If you know about those with abilities are you a 'threat'. How far will this go?
ChicagoCubz
They probably don't know. Keep in mind Nathan didn't know that Arthur took Hiro's power.

Even if they did know they'd probably still consider him a threat since he's so knows so much about the specials.
Zensu14
I think they don't know. Noah and Nathan never knew that Arthur took his ability to my knowledge, just like they don't know that Ando has an ability at the moment.
Citizen
Nathan never knew that Arthur took Hiro's ability, and Hiro never had a chance to speak between the raid and the plane. It'll be interesting to see how he tries to prove he is powerless. If he gets apprehended again, that is.
MikeMc
QUOTE (Citizen @ Feb 2 2009, 09:39 PM) *
Nathan never knew that Arthur took Hiro's ability, and Hiro never had a chance to speak between the raid and the plane. It'll be interesting to see how he tries to prove he is powerless. If he gets apprehended again, that is.



He'll squint his eyes really hard and shake his head... and then when nothing happens, they'll all go out for coffee.
prander
QUOTE (ChicagoCubz @ Feb 2 2009, 09:35 PM) *
They probably don't know. Keep in mind Nathan didn't know that Arthur took Hiro's power.

That's my guess. Nathan just didn't know.

QUOTE
Even if they did know they'd probably still consider him a threat since he's so knows so much about the specials.

I would, just by all the experience and knowledge he has with them.

And who knows if he could ever get his same power back. If he did get it back, he would be a big threat to them.
mundane
QUOTE (MikeMc @ Feb 2 2009, 10:41 PM) *
He'll squint his eyes really hard and shake his head... and then when nothing happens, they'll all go out for coffee.


You mean waffles, not coffee. wink.gif
paigequinto
QUOTE
You mean waffles, not coffee.

hahaaa

yeah, i dont think they knew about hiro's lack of powers
bookgnome
QUOTE (bhero2all @ Feb 2 2009, 07:33 PM) *
Options are:

They know he is powerless but still find him a threat.

They are unaware entirely that Arthur took his power.

or...

Hiro somehow does have a power and maybe does not know himself.

If it is the case they took him and know he is powerless what kind of implication is that? If you know about those with abilities are you a 'threat'. How far will this go?


Perhaps he's there because he has the GPS in him so Andro can find the group..
Begemot Geroi
First they came for the people with powers, and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a power. Then they came for the people who had serum-powers, and I didn't speak up because I didn't have a serum-power. Then they came for the normal people, and there was no one left to speak up.

I think they're drawing a parallel between the Holocaust and what's currently happening to all of the heroes because they're "different." Looks like the 5YG future isn't too far off!
Helghallen
A better comparison would be Days of Future Past from the X-Men.
Raekon
Yep! Nathan didn't know that he is powerless and that Ando has a power now. Otherwise he would probably sent the hunter to capture ando while leaving hiro alone. ohmy.gif
RedWolf
Yeah despite his goofish nature Nathan and the US government may not be taking chances with Hiro.

Hiro is one of the most powerful businessmen in Japan. With his influence he can control politicians of his own country or create his own organization not seen since the fall of Primatech and Pinehearst.

Nathan may have learned not to underestimate the little guy as he personally took down some of the baddest villains known on the planet.

Hiro has a charisma that could rival Nathan's. Hiro has the talent to inspire and potentially be a dangerous opponent as a leader or figure.

themightytruk
Yeah, I think they still think Hiro has his ability, that they know as much as Nathan knows. Nathan didn't know Arthur went back in time and stole Hiro's power, and as far as I know hasn't seen him since. And Nathan doesn't read comics either. His loss. Even if Hiro did have a power, it'd still be wrong of Nathan, but it's still a mistake on Nathan's part. Don't think they know about Daphne swiping the vial of formula for Ando either.
flyboynathan
I'm pretty sure the gov't/Nathan is unaware of Hiro's powerless state. Keep in mind Hiro and his ability were on one of those folders Nathan handed to President Worff in 'Dual.' Ando wasn't captured, Daphne wasn't captured... People who Nathan/the government aren't aware of probably aren't at the top of the list.
Hawkdaddy
Hiro isn't a US citizen, so cant he get the US in HUGE trouble.
The US government cant capture someone in another country.
chezzo
QUOTE (Hawkdaddy @ Feb 4 2009, 02:26 AM) *
Hiro isn't a US citizen, so cant he get the US in HUGE trouble.
The US government cant capture someone in another country.


hahaha, try reading the news occasionally
they can and they do!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4641810.stm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2982640.ece
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/dec/05/uk.usa
Hawkdaddy
QUOTE (chezzo @ Feb 4 2009, 12:38 PM) *


That's England and for public reasons. Hiro is being secretly kidnapped and nobody knows why. And since he is the owner of a huge company, people will ask questions since Hiro has no criminal record or any connection to terrorists.
Besarien
Hiro Nakamura- terrorist or enemy combatant? Both fHiro and fPeter were referred to as terrorists. It's one of those themes that have occurred in multiple timelines as I recall.
Synch
QUOTE (Hawkdaddy @ Feb 3 2009, 08:26 PM) *
Hiro isn't a US citizen, so cant he get the US in HUGE trouble.
The US government cant capture someone in another country.


1: Yes, he could. Assuming he gets out to tell his story. He was secretly grabbed and was headed for an internment camp where, most probably, he'd spend the rest of his life. How's he going to get the US in trouble when nobody knows where he is?
2: Not only can they do it, they have done it. Every Government has.
RedWolf
QUOTE (Synch @ Feb 6 2009, 03:37 AM) *
2: Not only can they do it, they have done it. Every Government has.


Supposedly applicable only on extradition treaties. Guess Nathan convieniently left out that Hiro more than once saved the US.

Frankly Nathan may have seen his actions as inevitable. Hiro told him he will be a bad person but he can stop it from being that.

Nathan has voluntarily chosen to become the villain.

Much like Adam Monroe or Kensei who was on a path of heroism turned his back on it.

Hiro has a thing of befriending rogues like Nathan and Adam trying to change their ways for the better but in the end turning their backs on Hiro's gospel.

Hawkdaddy
QUOTE (Synch @ Feb 5 2009, 12:37 PM) *
1: Yes, he could. Assuming he gets out to tell his story. He was secretly grabbed and was headed for an internment camp where, most probably, he'd spend the rest of his life. How's he going to get the US in trouble when nobody knows where he is?
2: Not only can they do it, they have done it. Every Government has.



But in this instance, Ando knows. But that probably wont do any good, nobody listens to Ando but me.
I still think its a risky move since so many people are being captured. People are gonna notice.
chezzo
QUOTE (Hawkdaddy @ Feb 4 2009, 09:28 PM) *
That's England and for public reasons.


Um, did you actually read them at all? They're about the US secretly kidnapping European citizens, it only became public because of a leak and there was a huge scandal about governments secretly giving permission for the planes to stop over to refuel or whatever.

And they're only from British papers because that's where I happen to live. I'm sure the US wouldn't be averse to kidnapping someone from Japan.

As for, "Hiro is one of the richest men in Japan, he's too much in the public spotlight to disappear"... he disappeared for months to travel around the US/go back in time and no-one seemed to care.
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