mitchel31268
Feb 2 2009, 09:48 PM
Why is it in recent Hero's history that every time you hear those words you know Peter is going to get creamed. It happened with Arthur and now Nathan. If he gets involved in another relationship he is going to have intimacy problems (don't hug me!!).
prander
Feb 2 2009, 10:00 PM
QUOTE (mitchel31268 @ Feb 2 2009, 11:48 PM)

Why is it in recent Hero's history that every time you hear those words you know Peter is going to get creamed. It happened with Arthur and now Nathan. If he gets involved in another relationship he is going to have intimacy problems (don't hug me!).
I was thinking of that as I was watching it.
I think it plays well with Peter as an emotional empath (ignoring his power).
IGotSuperPowers
Feb 2 2009, 10:01 PM
I was thinking "Peter you idiot quit hugging people!" I love Peter but he is quite an idiot at some times.
1WngdAngel
Feb 2 2009, 10:07 PM
He's Italian, he can't help but to hug.
Trayton
Feb 2 2009, 10:15 PM
Eh, i was actually expecting him to say no thanks. lol
MagnificoG
Feb 2 2009, 11:57 PM
Peter was cool for the whole rest of the episode, let's forgive his moment of inevitable moronity.
FailureByDesign
Feb 3 2009, 12:26 AM
Even my roomie was like "Peter you hug loving fool Run!"
Raekon
Feb 3 2009, 07:56 AM
I would like to tell something negative about this but I'm like him when it comes to this so... :/
I guess we can't help it. Most of all when it comes to people that are staying close to us.
Dunc
Feb 3 2009, 08:02 AM
Nathan didn't even want that hug, he just wanted Peter to have the ability of flight instead of what else he had at the time.
Picklehead
Feb 3 2009, 08:33 AM
QUOTE (Dunc @ Feb 3 2009, 05:02 PM)

Nathan didn't even want that hug, he just wanted Peter to have the ability of flight instead of what else he had at the time.
You have no evidence his power works that way. Pure speculation.
ChicagoCubz
Feb 3 2009, 08:36 AM
Hugging is Peter's kryptonite.
Shizniddle Snap
Feb 3 2009, 09:06 AM
As soon as Nathan asked for a hug I was thinking. "It's a trick. Get an Axe!"
Silly Peter, hugs are for noobs.
joutsenlauluja
Feb 3 2009, 09:39 AM
QUOTE
I was thinking "Peter you idiot quit hugging people!"
Oh same here DX "Oh he's not
that idiot--- okay he is an idiot *facepalm*"
But I'm happy that Peter's still somehow naive and emotional. I like that part of him.
baltar
Feb 3 2009, 10:18 AM
It's like once he hears the word hug it becomes an unstoppable urge, he really needs something to help break him of this habit. He needs a cardboard cutout of Nathan that he carries around all the time and always give it a "reality check hug" before moving onto regular people it would go something like this:
Peter: Sylar, I'm here to bring you down
Sylar: Peter lets talk about this, give me a hug first
Peter: (breaks out cutout of Nathan and gives it a Bromantic hug)
Peter: Now that I've had time to calm down, I don't think it's the best idea
See end of problem.
falloutfan
Feb 3 2009, 10:30 AM
Come on guys, it's the hunger in empath form!
Dunc
Feb 3 2009, 10:48 AM
QUOTE (Picklehead @ Feb 3 2009, 04:33 PM)

You have no evidence his power works that way. Pure speculation.
I refer you to pages 5 and 6 of the Peter's ability thread, for pretty solid insinuations.
Synch
Feb 3 2009, 11:10 AM
QUOTE (Dunc @ Feb 3 2009, 12:48 PM)

I refer you to pages 5 and 6 of the Peter's ability thread, for pretty solid insinuations.
Hmmm..
As I read through those pages I notice something peculiar. Absolutely nothing from anyone who actually knows what's going on. A lot of theorizing from viewers, but nothing from the writers/creator.
And, right now, no proof, not even any solid evidence, that Peter's ability to hold multiple abilities has changed. As of right now, all we know is that he has a touch-based absorption now.
Dunc
Feb 3 2009, 11:20 AM
QUOTE (Synch @ Feb 3 2009, 07:10 PM)

Hmmm..
As I read through those pages I notice something peculiar. Absolutely nothing from anyone who actually knows what's going on. A lot of theorizing from viewers, but nothing from the writers/creator.
And, right now, no proof, not even any solid evidence, that Peter's ability to hold multiple abilities has changed. As of right now, all we know is that he has a touch-based absorption now.
Are you suggesting you're somebody that knows what's going on?
And when in those pages did you see me use the words evidence or proof? Let me save you the trouble of looking through them, I didn't.
Shizniddle Snap
Feb 3 2009, 11:42 AM
He is simply stating that no news from TPTB that Pete is a one trick pony now. Therefore the theory that peter can only have one power at a time is simply conjecture.
Dunc
Feb 3 2009, 11:48 AM
QUOTE (Shizniddle Snap @ Feb 3 2009, 07:42 PM)

He is simply stating that no news from TPTB that Pete is a one trick pony now. Therefore the theory that peter can only have one power at a time is simply conjecture.
what I said was rhetorical. And I think this thread is going a bit off-topic now.
Synch
Feb 3 2009, 12:57 PM
QUOTE (Dunc @ Feb 3 2009, 12:48 PM)

I refer you to pages 5 and 6 of the Peter's ability thread, for pretty solid insinuations.
QUOTE (Dunc @ Feb 3 2009, 01:20 PM)

And when in those pages did you see me use the words evidence or proof? Let me save you the trouble of looking through them, I didn't.
The post above makes it sound like you thought it was proven within the conjecture on those pages.
It wasn't.
IAmLegion
Feb 3 2009, 01:31 PM
Same words, different situation ...
It's obvious at this point that Nathan isn't himself anymore ... he's been "possessed" by his father.
Mark my words ...
Synch
Feb 3 2009, 01:50 PM
QUOTE (IAmLegion @ Feb 3 2009, 03:31 PM)

Why? Nathan's more himself now than he's been since the end of S1.
What he's doing now is
exactly what he said he'd do in S1.
Picklehead
Feb 3 2009, 01:53 PM
QUOTE (Synch @ Feb 3 2009, 09:50 PM)

Why? Nathan's more himself now than he's been since the end of S1.
What he's doing now is exactly what he said he'd do in S1.
I think he was joking
Caffeinedd
Feb 3 2009, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (Picklehead @ Feb 3 2009, 04:53 PM)

I think he was joking
Yea, but people aren't really joking half the time they seem to be. I like how Nathan betrays him with the hug. Nathan and his father are too alike.
Dunc
Feb 3 2009, 02:45 PM
QUOTE (Synch @ Feb 3 2009, 08:57 PM)

The post above makes it sound like you thought it was proven within the conjecture on those pages.
It wasn't.
What? You quoted the post and you still think I'm talking about proof even though I used the word insinuations?
BrainBuster
Feb 3 2009, 06:01 PM
I half expected Peter to say "Last time I hugged a family member I got screwed."
>_> Petty Petty Petty... The commentary was right, "His fatal flaw" indeed.
Dreamer
Feb 3 2009, 06:10 PM
Oh c'mon, what's wrong with the hug? I mean it doesn't look like Peter trusts Nathan. He doesn't. He was so tense the entire scene. He knows that he's kind of helpless now. It looked like he expected to be stabbed in the back. But he would be a coward if he refused to give his big bro a hug. Which he is not.

It was a beautiful dysfunctional hug.
Leek
Feb 3 2009, 06:16 PM
QUOTE (Dreamer @ Feb 3 2009, 09:10 PM)

Oh c'mon, what's wrong with the hug? I mean it doesn't look like Peter trusts Nathan. He doesn't. He was so tense the entire scene. He knows that he's kind of helpless now. It looked like he expected to be stabbed in the back. But he would be a coward if he refused to give his big bro a hug. Which he is not.

It was a beautiful dysfunctional hug.
No...he would have been smart. Peter wubs his big brother too much, he needs to get over it and be his own man.
Ofcourse, that is what makes Peter Peter.
Dreamer
Feb 3 2009, 06:34 PM
Peter would be stabbed and taken with or without a hug. At least that way Nathan would feel more guilty.
Plus it would be immature to go "ger off me! get off me!" and run away. That's my point. )
BluEyedGrl105
Feb 3 2009, 07:14 PM
QUOTE (Dreamer @ Feb 3 2009, 06:10 PM)

Oh c'mon, what's wrong with the hug? I mean it doesn't look like Peter trusts Nathan. He doesn't. He was so tense the entire scene. He knows that he's kind of helpless now. It looked like he expected to be stabbed in the back. But he would be a coward if he refused to give his big bro a hug. Which he is not.

It was a beautiful dysfunctional hug.
LOL I agree. It was a beautiful dysfunctional hug
fernajen
Feb 3 2009, 08:23 PM
QUOTE (BluEyedGrl105 @ Feb 3 2009, 10:14 PM)

LOL I agree. It was a beautiful dysfunctional hug

I'll third that.
I loved all the things that hug said. I loved told you about Peter; that even though he didn't trust Nathan he still cared about him. I loved how that hug made Nathan feel like a monster and a human all at once. You'll notice that even though he is betraying Peter, there are some loud indications that he actually cares about Peter. When Peter starts fall to the ground Nathan
catches Peter(which is more than can be said of Arthur) and gently puts him on the couch, and tells HRG "don't hurt him."
Dreamer
Feb 3 2009, 08:49 PM
fernajen, very true! I'm sure that Nathan does care about Peter. He's not a monster. He's a man who has to make hard decisions. Mama's boy.
GoldSeven
Feb 4 2009, 05:40 AM
QUOTE (fernajen @ Feb 4 2009, 05:23 AM)

I'll third that.
I loved all the things that hug said. I loved told you about Peter; that even though he didn't trust Nathan he still cared about him. I loved how that hug made Nathan feel like a monster and a human all at once. You'll notice that even though he is betraying Peter, there are some loud indications that he actually cares about Peter. When Peter starts fall to the ground Nathan catches Peter(which is more than can be said of Arthur) and gently puts him on the couch, and tells HRG "don't hurt him."
Good point there! I think the important thing is that even if Peter had
not hugged Nathan, he wouldn't have got away. They'd already broken apart again when Noah took him down. It seemed to me that it was Nathan's way of saying sorry. Which he still felt compelled to do, in some way.
fernajen
Feb 4 2009, 06:04 AM
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Feb 4 2009, 08:40 AM)

Good point there! I think the important thing is that even if Peter had not hugged Nathan, he wouldn't have got away. They'd already broken apart again when Noah took him down. It seemed to me that it was Nathan's way of saying sorry. Which he still felt compelled to do, in some way.
I totally agree, I don't think Peter would've been able to get out of there hug or no. I can't imagine that Noah was the only person standing by to take Peter down or that they just had hand held tasers.
GoldSeven
Feb 4 2009, 06:32 AM
... or that Noah had just gone to the loo so that Nathan needed to detain Peter for a bit longer until the take-down squad was ready.
Dreamer
Feb 4 2009, 06:34 AM
Yeah, it's almost nice of Nathan to take Peter down that gently friendly way. No feds, no guns. Just "Noah" and him. Friends reunion. Such a caring big bro, isn't he?
GoldSeven
Feb 4 2009, 06:44 AM
I think it was a masterful move of Nathan to invite Peter for dinner. That way, Peter was wary of whatever might happen that evening, but wouldn't suspect anything before that. Even when he found Nathan in his apartment he wouldn't have thought he had anything planned. Smart Nathan.
Hm, or maybe Nathan had planned to set a trap for Peter in the evening but then decided to act earlier because he feared Claire might interfere.
blueicesjt
Feb 4 2009, 07:27 AM
Let's not forget here the proverbial (and quite literal) stabbing in the back by HRG.
I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up that Peter has been retaining the powers but doesn't want anyone to know it. Sort of an ace up his sleeve. Hopefully he feels that he's been too trusting of people and therefore wants to play his hand close to his chest.
Peter needs to have more of an edge. He's been betrayed and had his butt kicked too many times.
Raekon
Feb 5 2009, 01:38 AM
Greeks and Italians always hug their family and mostly also their friends(I do to and I'm a greek so I know what I'm talking about).
It's nothing wrong of peter having a good heart and still love his brother no matter how bad or good he is.
Hugging his brother doesn't mean he is dumb.

You saw his eyes? He already was a bit suspicious and concerned but still hugged him like "Oh well... you are my brother anyway".
GoldSeven
Feb 5 2009, 04:41 AM
AND he'd checked his apartment. If you rewatch the scene, he goes around locking doors and peering into rooms while talking to Nathan. He was sure it was clear.
flyingman
Feb 5 2009, 05:17 AM
QUOTE (Synch @ Feb 3 2009, 07:10 PM)

Hmmm..
As I read through those pages I notice something peculiar. Absolutely nothing from anyone who actually knows what's going on. A lot of theorizing from viewers, but nothing from the writers/creator.
And, right now, no proof, not even any solid evidence, that Peter's ability to hold multiple abilities has changed. As of right now, all we know is that he has a touch-based absorption now.
What about when he has mohinder's strength, touches tracy, is clearly over powered by a normal human directly after but then shown to freeze the plane. That looks like pretty concret evidence to me that he can only hold one power at a time and that they are transferred through touch.
shader2099
Feb 5 2009, 05:21 AM
It's not concrete evidence if the writers can just wave it away with "Peter pulled his punch" (or "Peter subconsciously switched off his superstrength to not hurt the guard").
ShinyHunter
Feb 5 2009, 07:53 AM
QUOTE (flyingman @ Feb 5 2009, 05:17 AM)

What about when he has mohinder's strength, touches tracy, is clearly over powered by a normal human directly after but then shown to freeze the plane. That looks like pretty concret evidence to me that he can only hold one power at a time and that they are transferred through touch.
Or the fact that he's hanging on for dear life as everything is being sucked out of the plane despite the fact that we've seen him fly.
But yeah poor Peter, I guess hugging
is his kryptonite. He couldn't even stop future!Sylar from giving him a hearty one.
Hopper
Feb 5 2009, 08:08 AM
To tell you the truth, I didn't expect Peter to be bagged and tagged right there. I honestly thought Nathan was trying to be brotherly to Peter. I would've done the same in Peter's position if my sister asked me for a hug, though I should really know better (sometimes she can get vicious).
BrucetheSpruce
Feb 5 2009, 09:16 AM
Pete hugs Arthur, and Peter lost his power while Arthur DIED!
Pete gives Simone a "special hug" and she's DEAD episodes later.
Pete's hugged Claire half-a-dozen times, and she's died how many times now?
Peter's not the victim here, he's the HUGGER OF DOOM! CAREBEARS BEWARE!
GoldSeven
Feb 5 2009, 10:46 AM
lol.
Since we're blaming people - how come nobody has called Claire's oversight? She clearly overhears her father and grandmother talking about taking down Matt Parkman and Peter, and sure enough, the first person she calls is Peter - telling him "his brother and mother" (nice choice of words there, by the way, as if she was not related to them) were going to take down Matt. She doesn't even tell him he's in danger.
fernajen
Feb 5 2009, 11:58 AM
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Feb 5 2009, 01:46 PM)

lol.
Since we're blaming people - how come nobody has called Claire's oversight? She clearly overhears her father and grandmother talking about taking down Matt Parkman and Peter, and sure enough, the first person she calls is Peter - telling him "his brother and mother" (nice choice of words there, by the way, as if she was not related to them) were going to take down Matt. She doesn't even tell him he's in danger.
Yeah, I found that weird too. I guess she might have been expecting Peter to go help her stop them from capturing Matt, so that bit of information would become redundant but when he took a different plan of action forgot to mention it. I guess she could've been worried that if she told him that Angela and Nathan wanted to lock
him up, that he might not believe she has her facts straight. If it happens to be the latter she needn't have worried as he was clearly suspicious of Nathan.
Synch
Feb 5 2009, 02:29 PM
QUOTE (flyingman @ Feb 5 2009, 07:17 AM)

What about when he has mohinder's strength, touches tracy, is clearly over powered by a normal human directly after but then shown to freeze the plane. That looks like pretty concret evidence to me that he can only hold one power at a time and that they are transferred through touch.
Like I said. Nothing from anyone who can say what definitively happened.
A cargo plane is not the steadiest environment for a fight. And we have
clearly seen that someone with superstrength can be taken down by a normal human provided the situation allows for it- and an unsteady fighting environment definitely allows for it.
QUOTE (ShinyHunter @ Feb 5 2009, 09:53 AM)

Or the fact that he's hanging on for dear life as everything is being sucked out of the plane despite the fact that we've seen him fly.
Actually, the way he was holding on to the plane "for dear life" despite the fact that everyone else not strapped in was sucked
out of the plane pretty clearly displays that he had superstrength at that point- despite not having retouched Mohinder after he froze and broke the plane.
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Feb 5 2009, 12:46 PM)

I think it's more likely that the order they said it in (Matt and Peter) made it clear that Matt was the bigger priority.
BluEyedGrl105
Feb 5 2009, 03:01 PM
QUOTE (Synch @ Feb 5 2009, 02:29 PM)

Actually, the way he was holding on to the plane "for dear life" despite the fact that everyone else not strapped in was sucked out of the plane pretty clearly displays that he had superstrength at that point- despite not having retouched Mohinder after he froze and broke the plane.
That is a very good argument. I like it.
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