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Hated the fact that Peter can only have one ability at a time

we all know it wont last but in the meantime its a good change for peters character.

Only two minute things for me...

1.) Even if Daphne did know about the whole secret lair thing (Which is weird... Why would Hiro tell her of all people) how did she know where to find Ando?

2.) Claire, once again. I don't know... I just hope that the rumored star leaving the show is her... I'm getting tired.

The first one is really trivial, more of a huh? than a negativity. The second one however... Augh

At the lair both Hiro and Ando are on the GPS screen...so she found ando through the GPS then just ran there.

watching claire is a chore. every word she says is like a dagger to my head. she's getting annoying beyond belief.

i don't know if it's the character or just her acting. she has to put a 'mean' edge to everything she says and it's bad

OH MATT DON'T TELL DAPHNE SHE'S GONNA GET SHOT
OH CLAIRE WHY DON'T YOU JUST STAND THERE AND GET CUFFED WHEN YOU JUST WENT ON A WHOLE I'M NOT GONNA DO WHAT YOU WANT ME TO TEAR
OH DAPHNE IS DEAD IS SHE DEAD YOU DIDN'T EVEN FOCUS ON HER IN THE DANG SCENE WAY TO TELL US IF IT WAS A BIG DEAL OR ANYTHING NICE DIRECTION YEAH I'M TIRED OF YOU HEROES WRITERS AND DIRECTORS AND YOUR SHODDY EXECUTION BRYAN FULLER BETTER MAKE A SEA CHANGE
OH SYLAR WHAT THE HELL WHY DID YOU GO TO NEW JERSEY FROM MARYLAND TO THESE PEOPLE'S HOUSE AND THEN TORTURE THEM IN FRONT OF THAT GUY RANDOMLY AND THEN IT TURNS OUT THE KID HAS AN ABILITY AND DID SYLAR PLAN ALL THAT OR WHAT AND WHY DID HE SAY THEY ARE DOWN THE ROAD FROM HIS DAD WHEN HIS DAD WAS IN MARYLAND AND HE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE HIS DAD LIVES AND HOW DOES LUKE KNOW THAT AND GOD WHAT
OH HEROES WHERE WERE ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE IN NEWARK?
OH HEROES WAY TO SQUANDER MY GOOD WILL FROM CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER!

AWFUL. AWFUL EPISODE. SCREW THIS SHODDY EPISODE. SCREW IT. ESPECIALLY THE SYLAR STUFF. THIS BETTER BE EXPLAINED NEXT WEEK. DON'T TELL ME TO READ A GRAPHIC NOVEL OR WAIT FOR A DELETED SCENE OR BEHIND THE ECLIPSE INTERVIEW OR FANWANK IT OUT OR DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAY

THIS
STUFF
SHOULD
BE
EXPLAINED
IN
THE
SHOW

AND IT BETTER BE. SOON.

I haven't posted on 9th for a while, but I'm posting to say...

RAAAAAAAGEEEEEE

I'm really kind of...torn as to how to feel about this episode, but Dez about summed it up.

It took me a while to figure out that Nathan was having flashbacks or whatever.

Sylar + apprentice -- ehhhh, it could be all right if it's done properly and followed through with. I'm still trying to figure out how Sylar wound up in their house with the special ops dude. Um. I'm at a loss. I don't get it.

Just kind of meh for me tonight. Ticked that they killed off Daphne. I mean, seriously, wat. She was an awesome character!

What else bugged me about this episode...

Okay, when Tracy was getting apprehended by the guards again after Nathan ambushed her and Peter -- why didn't she just freeze them and make a run for it?

And if Peter wanted to use Nathan as leverage or whatever, why did he just fly off by himself and NOT fly off with Nathan?

And the whole Sylar/apprentice thing is still bugging me. Good idea, but I have a bad feeling that it's probably going to be poorly executed. Too many coincidences, IMO.

Eh, I'm over it now. Not so annoyed by the execution. Though I also didn't like the lighting it felt, odd in a few places, I pretty much said my peace. Hasta.

**Wondering the same thing..**

though it's no biggy I guess...

But something i forgot... I too am apprehensive of Sylar and his new apprentice.. One Sylar is WAY more than enough. I really don't need another one.

The thing with Peter and Hiro's powers really hacks me off, which is making it difficult to enjoy the show right now. Ignoring those things for a moment (which is hard to do)...

Peter should have carried Nathan with him when he flew, then dropped him. Then Nathan would have had to choose death or exposure.

Did Daphne run across the ocean? What's next (after we find out she didn't die) - vibrating through walls? The Flash ripoffs are getting old. I do hope her death isn't permanent, though - I like the character.

The Hunter guy is out of control, and doesn't obey orders. Why are Nathan and Noah allowing him to live? He's OBVIOUSLY going to try to take over at some point. Noah should realize that the guy is a serious danger to Claire.

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Well, the Flash did set the standard for speedsters. So really any kind of Speedster in any other show would be taking from him.


The only negative I feel was that they didn't go into more detail about what happened to Daphne. What did they do, just leave her there lying on the ground?

If Daphne's death is true, then that is really the only negative thing. It was sort of like when DL died, he can phase through anything, yet he gets shot. Only thing with DL was he could see it coming. Yeah, Daphne didn't see the bullet coming, but Matt did. He IS the one responsible for Daphne's death because he let her stay out in the open instead of pulling her to cover right away. Anyway, I still think it is stupid for a character who can run at supersonic speeds and faster than the naked eye getting shot to death. WEAK!

This was a much better ep. Two problems, though...

1. Daphne's death didn't have the impact Kring & Co. were obviously aiming for. The emotional impact that should have been there wasn't, imo.

2. Even if Kring & Co. never establish what Claire's timeshare in Death actually amounts to in detail, logic dictates that she has one. Therefore, her reaction to the Hunter's bullet in the back of her head threat should be less about her fear of permanent death (how HP seemed to play it), because she's already had previews. It should be more about the loss and sadness her permanent exit would inflict on her loved ones, particularly the arguably unstable and obsessive Noah.

I enjoyed the episode a lot, but one thing that bothered me was Parkman's reaction to Daphne getting shot. He seemed more like he was just a little ****** off rather than being emotionally distraught. I expected a much stronger reaction from him than what he had. The way the other characters interacted with him afterward was rather strange as well.

I also feel that we missed out on a really good scene by not getting to see Sylar's "Padawan" tell his mom to ****** off, or whatever may have occurred.

Completely agreed. This was the only negative aspect of the episode for me. The fact that Matt KNEW what was going to happen ... and did NOTHING ... and that a speedster gets shot by bullets. Oh and the whole painting the future thing, but you know, I just pretend that those scenes don't even happen...

Heroes fails at emotional scenes, which has always been my qualm throughout the show. The only slightly emotional scene in the whole show for me has been when Nathan was going to fly Peter into the sky to explode, emphasis on the slightly. The writers should watch 24 season 2.

I find this a cop out. They couldnt handle writing for Peter and Hiro in their past form so they "nerfed" them. Now is the time where Peter should be at his strongest, able to use his powers for the greater good of our heroes... But... He can only hold one.

If they arent fully powered in the next few weeks, the writers officially jumped the shark and hid in the corner.

She had a bullet laser line to her chest.
And she was surrounded by guys with guns.

Um. No. Expressing a valid negative opinion =/= troll. Calling someone a troll for expressing said valid negative opinion = troll. But thanks for trying! You get an A for effort.

I still say she could have frozen the guys holding her and made a break for it. Probably wouldn't have been the smartest thing to do... I also think that because the two of them know Nathan so well, they'd know that he was probably lying when he said that he was going to show up alone. Somehow I kind of doubt that Tracy & Peter put together are that naive. Or maybe they are. I dunno.

I'm not sure I really agree with the assessment that Peter has been totally nerfed. Power limitations aren't necessarily a bad thing, but the whole "hitting Peter with the reset button" at the beginning of seemingly every season is getting annoying.

-Claire and Bennet haven't changed. Same old, same old....snore. I hope they have a twist coming for Bennet's motivation, b/c the I have to protect my family bit is used up.

-I don't think Hayden is an awful actress but I felt like she was over acting or something.

-I am not upset at Daphne's death as much as how unemotional it seemed. Parkman was angry later but the moment was gone.

-Sylar: same old, same old..snore.

Bennet's "family" thing is a good excuse, but I think it's worn out his welcome. He has to have a different motivation other than, "I'm doing this for my family." Not that it isn't a good motivation or anything, but I think he's used it as a copout for way too long.

As for Sylar -- while I think it'll be interesting to see how he interacts with Luke, I think that this whole partnership/apprenticeship thing is going to fail epically, which is sad.

My negative feelings are that this is becoming less and less Heroes and more and more the "Sylar and His Food(Victims)" show.

Hmm, time to make a negative comment so that I can validate a post responding to Citizen's post about 24!

Actually, this is a serious gripe: When Peter told Tracy that he can only hang on to one power at a time, it did not flow naturally to me at all. I have a problem with this sometimes in shows/comic books dealing with superpowers - they just kind of stick some expository lines in there and we're supposed to believe that somebody would say them in everyday conversation. I mean, the way that scene was written wasn't cringe-worthy. But it bothered me nonetheless. I miss the days when Peter and Hiro and the others were always trying to figure out how their powers worked, instead of being like, "Oh, I connected all the dots in my head hours ago, and this is how it works." The audience is smart enough to know that you can only take one power at a time, Peter. Don't club us over the head with it.



IDK, I thought that the first season of Heroes had some extremely emotional moments. Hiro accepting Charlie's death, HRG, The Haitian and Claire on the bridge in "Company Man," etc. The finale was a good one. I'm sure there are upwards of a dozen more that I'm missing. Heroes mostly failed at drama in general during the last two volumes, but in the first there were quite a few goosebump moments for me.

And dude. I just rewatched the second season of 24 a few weeks ago. That episode where Mason sneaks onto the helicopter and saves Jack's life? I was practically weeping.

Matt seriously dropped the ball. His show of power taking mind control of a soldier (ala Kahlin the Confessor from Legend of the Seeker) and making him shoot off at a bunch of his own guys is too little, too late.





Yes, that whole thing with Nathan and Peter at the end of season one is the ONLY moment of Heroes that made me choke up a little. Now, with the new Doctor Who, there have been many times that show has gotten me teary eyed like when Rose watched her father die, Rose got trapped in the parallel universe and a few other moments that didn't include Rose. For a show to be fantastic, to put it in the Ninth Doctor's words, needs to get viewers emotionally involved with characters. Daphne's death seriously did nothing for me since we really didn't get a chance to see Daphne grow. A character death is honestly a lot more effective if it is a character who has been around a few seasons to get fans attached to him or her.

I really dont like how they have totally destroyed peter and his power. Glad the writers and everyone is such big Sylar fans. Way to go and because of this im losing interest in this show more and more as the weeks pass. They way they do it is totally lame, since he was suppose to get back his power and all the powers if their dad had lived. Wow another cop out just to destroy an ability.

This ep. just didn't do it for me. I'm usually hesistant to add to this thread, but there were just too many things wrong with this. Daphne's death didn't have enough drama, Matt's precognition is annoying, Hiro is back to "getting the sword" thing (seriously, WTF?), the dialogue was terrible, Claire is just getting really annoying (and so is her repetitious arc), Sandra is acting so stupid again, and Sylar is apparently getting a sidekick (again - WTF?!). Arkush sucks at cinematography and tone, which are so important, imo. There were some good parts, but they were overshadowed by the rest. Last week was such an improvement over Volume 3, and this week just disappoints.

Also, Nathan's gone from villian to hero and back again way too many times. Are they trying to have ANY consistency with the character? Last volume, he suddenly wanted to give powers to everyone, and now he wants to imprison them again? You could argue that this volume is a reboot, but it's hard to pretend Volume 3 never happened.

And one more thing - although the whole "gov't going after minorities/dissidents" thing can be very effective in the right hands, it also has been used a TON, especially in this genre. That's one of things that made Season One cool - that the organization chasing them "didn't have initials". I love the sociopolitical commentary, but I think it was more effective when it wasn't overkill, like in "5YG".

Here's hoping next week is better.

There were some things I didn't like in the episode. The lack of emotional response from Parkman was one, but he definitely did what I would've done if I had his power.

Sylar. Tired of him. Tired of him being the only developed character in the show. Tired of him being the only person allowed to use his powers to the fullest. Yep, tired of him. The character, not the actor. A lesser actor probably would've lost even those rabid cult fans of Sylar by now. So, kudos to Zach Quinto for keeping Sylar alive this long. Can we please, please, PLEASE lose him this season?

And yes, everyone, but Sylar, going back to their season one roles. *sighs* Please, writers, imagine them as more and write the dialogue for it. PLEASE!

I actually cried during 24, but never during Heroes. I mean, when Sylar's son dies, he just gets up and starts hitting Knox. When your 4-year old son dies, you don't start punching the person...YOU BREAK DOWN AND CRY. There will NEVER be a scene in Heroes with someone breaking down like Jack Bauer when he hears his daughter is dead. I can't see that happening on Heroes ever.

I hated this episodes, I don't even feel like watching heroes anymore. I hate the painting the future concept, the painting tells them where they should go, like to India this time. But if they didn't paint it would they still go there? So is it really the future? Seeing Daphne get shot that's some useful future painting, because now they can make sure it won't happen, but it happens anyway. Matt was just waiting for it, so it looked.
I don't like the show anymore, its nothing special, if the 'heroes' had guns instead of special powers it wouldn't make much of a difference to the story at this time.
I always thought that there would be people discovering they had a special ability and by now they would team up and fight bad guys, monsters, aliens whatever. I want more special power action!!
Yeah this is just to boring to watch! I can't believe it.

The main problem I have is with Claire. She either needs more power(s) or needs to be removed from the show. Since she will probably be around forever, than she needs something to happen to her (yeah needle or whatever). Not being able to die is too limiting of a power, especially for a main character. Also, there needs to be more power conflicts between characters. Maybe Sylar meet someone that he cannot overpower (besides Peter) More good vs evil (or evil vs evil etc)would be fun to see.

Parkman's reaction or lack thereof also bothered me. They kind of forced a romantic relationship here that had no chemistry. We eventually accept it, but then when they kill her off, Parkman shows no grief but quickly jumps into avenging angel mode. Didn't feel right.

I also question why Luke would immediately idolize and befriend Sylar who has tortured a man and put screw drivers through his hands and cut off fingers. He also comes close to torturing Luke and chokes his mother. He has broken into his home, read their mail, held them with TK etc. Now I wasn't a very smart teen either but I think I would hesitate before taking my moms car keys and going off alone with someone like him.

Well, i haven't posted in the 9th wonders forums since Volume 2, i think, but i just wanted to get into the discussion for this volume.

Well, the negative stuff for me in the episode was:

-Claire and Bennett going into the same old story again. Specially Claire, just sitting and whining instead of being hateful and angry and spitting in Noah's face for holding her prisoner . He just goes back to Costa Verde. Lame.

-Well, Matt being a precog is pretty bad, also. Many people have explained why this is a bad thing, so i'll just say my opinion is the same. The lack of emotion in the event of Daphne's death (or is it?) was pretty lame, too. Daphne dying, if actually happens, is a shame, she was a pretty cool character.

-No surprising or awesome moments. Just an even episode. I liked 3x14 a lot more than this one.

Still, i like the show, i'm a big fan, and i like the direction where is heading right now. I didn't like how Volume 3 turned out. I also remember that despite being really awesome, Season 1 did not really kicked in until badass hiro from the future appeared in ep.4. So i think we have to give it time. I admit that the show has a lot of lame writing - a lot of deus ex machina, inconsistencies in powers and death issues with Claire and Sylar and others, etc- but i think is far from jumping the shark, and the beginning of this volume is a chance for redemption.