qasrose
Feb 10 2009, 04:21 AM
I so loved Peters fight back speech..
The thing that made it even more awesome was the background music..
bbplayer5
Feb 10 2009, 05:56 AM
QUOTE (qasrose @ Feb 10 2009, 07:21 AM)

Ya too bad the writers gave up on Peter and gave him one power.. he can now be killed off.
jbs829
Feb 10 2009, 06:04 AM
QUOTE (bbplayer5 @ Feb 10 2009, 08:56 AM)

Ya too bad the writers gave up on Peter and gave him one power.. he can now be killed off.
i definatly could see that happening, since apparently a main character is leaving the show
if peter left i would definitely stop watching
Corren
Feb 10 2009, 07:13 AM
QUOTE (qasrose @ Feb 10 2009, 04:21 AM)

The thing that made it even more awesome was the background music..
The captions called it 'Ethereal Rock Music.'
Personally I thought the speech was a little cheesy, but it was an awesome sort of cheesy and I loved it. It reminded me of Bill Pullman's, "we will not go quietly into the night" speech in Independence Day.
hollylime
Feb 10 2009, 07:13 AM
The Sylar part was really cool. I don't know but I just liked the way it played out. Sylar and a side kick. Pretty neat.
As I stated elsewhere, I feel that this lack of power from Peter, Hiro and now Daphne may be due to the desire to keep the heroes truly on the run and in the situation they need to fight. With Peter or Hiro they could all just teleport out and not have to stand and fight. Hiding is easy when you have all of space and time to do it in. I'm guessing that's why Daphne took a hit for the team too.
I hope that at the end of this we will at least see Hiro get his powers back. This episode gave me a bit of hope for that.
Yarr
Feb 10 2009, 07:18 AM
I thought Peter's speech was terrible. I find it so hard fo believe the characters. These guys have been trying so hard to get back into a normal life and no at the flip of a switch they are ready to drop everything to stop Nathan's plan.
Matt especially seemed pretty motivated considering his girlfriend\future wife just died. Im assuming her death was glossed over because she isnt going to stay dead.
baltar
Feb 10 2009, 07:58 AM
QUOTE (Yarr @ Feb 10 2009, 10:18 AM)

I thought Peter's speech was terrible. I find it so hard fo believe the characters. These guys have been trying so hard to get back into a normal life and no at the flip of a switch they are ready to drop everything to stop Nathan's plan.
If "at the flip of a switch" means being tracked down while in your normal life, bagged, tagged, drugged and eventually on the run for your life while being chased by heavily armed military after your rendition plane crashes than yeah it was right from A to B.
baottousai
Feb 10 2009, 09:13 AM
I LOVED the music. it's like the first time the show has played music that wasn't like the Heroes theme song thing. and they added Sylar-ness to it muahhaaha
qasrose
Feb 10 2009, 10:34 AM
To all you haters, FANTASTIC OFF...
fIRST you moan because Peter can absorb powers and keep them all
now your moaning because he only has 1 for FANTASTIC sake..
This thread is about how awesome the ending was.
Not about Peters 1 power...
wolfbro
Feb 10 2009, 12:18 PM
Overall, I enjoyed the ending with Peter and da boyz.
The only thing that bothered me with it was Peter saying "frozen bank" accounts or something like that. Wouldn't Hiro's vast fortune and his company be quite out of the reach of the U.S. government?
I mean, it's one thing for a secret Op's team to snatch Hiro from Japan. It's a magnitude of order difference to then attempt to make an official action trying to freeze his assets and/or that of his company. Hmm, for that matter, where is Hiro's sister?
Now, I know it was the end of the episode and going into this amount of detail would have taken away from the impact of the scene. Hopefully it will be addressed in the next episode.
aulduron
Feb 10 2009, 01:10 PM
The US can ask Japan to freeze his Japanese assests.
gareburger
Feb 10 2009, 01:40 PM
QUOTE (jbs829 @ Feb 10 2009, 07:04 AM)

i definatly could see that happening, since apparently a main character is leaving the show
if peter left i would definitely stop watching
i second that,
peter is the kind of freaky you just cant help but to give in hahah
he's the only character that actually gets me yelling at the tv NO! STOP, DONT BE STUPID. <-- in this case, the petrelli hug/stab
heroes just wouldn't be the same
ChaosTheory09
Feb 10 2009, 01:49 PM
I thought Tracy and Nathan's conversation near the end was amazing and gave me the chills. The way she was trying to reach out to him and him giving her the cold shoulder was great.
Sinister
Feb 10 2009, 02:01 PM
I really liked the ending as well.
Though to add, Peter was a nurse before he became special so I think most of his law-enforcement knowledge came from TV and Movies. I don't work in law enforcement either but I don't see why the government would freeze someone's account. If they attempt to use their bank card they could track it whether they got funds or it declined. However if it declined and it was reported it would cause the fugitive to flee, where as an active account could continually be tracked.
I pretty sure Hiro's snatch and grab in Japan was strictly off the record. I think Nathan's task is to collect special's from US origins so they can build a case to make it public, the threat of people with abilities. Nathan, knowing of Hiro's ability probably wanted to be sure he wouldn't teleport in and save all his pals or go back in time and change the future again. Plus if the US confronted Japan with Hiro's powers I'm sure Japan would want him for themselves.
BluEyedGrl105
Feb 10 2009, 08:24 PM
QUOTE (Sinister @ Feb 10 2009, 02:01 PM)

I really liked the ending as well.
Though to add, Peter was a nurse before he became special so I think most of his law-enforcement knowledge came from TV and Movies. I don't work in law enforcement either but I don't see why the government would freeze someone's account. If they attempt to use their bank card they could track it whether they got funds or it declined. However if it declined and it was reported it would cause the fugitive to flee, where as an active account could continually be tracked.
I think the government automatically freezes your account when you become a fugitive. Even if they didn't freeze their accounts I don't think Peter and da boys would use them because, like you said, it could be tracked.
I loved the ending as well and Peter's speech. It was nice to see Peter being so realistic.
ImSPECIAL
Feb 10 2009, 09:07 PM
Yeah the ending was very epic... and well was that container that Tracy was in her cell? Jus wonderin
Raekon
Feb 10 2009, 11:10 PM
QUOTE (ImSPECIAL @ Feb 11 2009, 06:07 AM)

Yeah the ending was very epic... and well was that container that Tracy was in her cell? Jus wonderin

This scene was part of nathans phonecall to Angela flashback when tracy first got captured and before the whole plane thing happened.
I really felt sorry for her and Ali nailed the scene.
highflyingempath
Feb 11 2009, 01:31 AM
QUOTE (Raekon @ Feb 11 2009, 12:10 AM)

This scene was part of nathans phonecall to Angela flashback when tracy first got captured and before the whole plane thing happened.
I really felt sorry for her and Ali nailed the scene.
Really?! I thought this was after they had the stand-off - Peter has escaped and Tracy's been recaptured and put back on the drip. To drop in a scene at the end which happened before everything else would be messing with the chronology quite a bit - the whole episode has been a semi-flashback 2 days before Nathan's phonecall, then they drop in a scene from even earlier?
This would make sense if there was some major revelation, like Tracy was a mole working for Nathan all along, but that certainly wasn't how I read the scene - she wasn't co-operating.
I'll have to reassess on the re-watch...
dcg
Feb 11 2009, 05:38 AM
I loved it. Definitely going in the right direction.
Shizniddle Snap
Feb 11 2009, 12:21 PM
They would need a pretty good reason to ask the Japanese that. The ending was good cause it made you interested in what is yet to come.
bwm27
Feb 11 2009, 01:31 PM
I'm predicting that well see Simon, Monty, Micah, and Lyle team up with Claire to fight Nathan. I believe that one of the four is REBEL and is recruiting her for the battle. So well have two teams taking on Nathan and his mercenary army. I can't wait to see what powers that Simon, Monty, and Lyle will bring to the show. Also, I wonder what Sandra is going to do when she finds out what's happening. At the end, back in Coste Verde, it seemed like she thought Claire was scouting colleges and Noah was doing something else. She was not aware that Claire was rounded up, but let go, then freed the others on the plane and helped further in the escape and that Noah was part of the mercenary army.
flyboynathan
Feb 11 2009, 05:23 PM
The music for ya:
3.15 - Come Together:
This rockin' track plays as the heroes band together. It also plays during Sylar's road trip, when Sylar's theme is predominately heard. This version includes voices due to technological difficulties.
http://www.divshare.com/download/6534823-f3f3.15 - Come Together (Sample):
Same track, except shortened so as to eliminate the voices.
http://www.divshare.com/download/6534824-5c1
BluEyedGrl105
Feb 11 2009, 05:29 PM
QUOTE (flyboynathan @ Feb 11 2009, 05:23 PM)

The music for ya:
3.15 - Come Together:
This rockin' track plays as the heroes band together. It also plays during Sylar's road trip, when Sylar's theme is predominately heard. This version includes voices due to technological difficulties.
http://www.divshare.com/download/6534823-f3f3.15 - Come Together (Sample):
Same track, except shortened so as to eliminate the voices.
http://www.divshare.com/download/6534824-5c1Awesome! Thanks
override
Feb 11 2009, 11:28 PM
QUOTE (jbs829 @ Feb 10 2009, 06:04 AM)

i definatly could see that happening, since apparently a main character is leaving the show
if peter left i would definitely stop watching
Main character? They should know that if they kill Peter off, they will lose a really big audience. Hopefully they won't, or I'll stop watching, and probably go back to watching nowadays terrible episodes of smallville. I don't know what happened to that show(smallville), stopped watching it for a while, went back to it, and it just sucks. Season 1(bomb, save the cheerleader) was pretty much about Peter, also season 2(stop virus) in a way, even season 3(save the world, stop Arthur). Would be stupid to throw all that down the drain.
Who's in front?http://assets.hulu.com/shows/key_art_heroes.jpg
Raekon
Feb 12 2009, 04:28 AM
QUOTE (highflyingempath @ Feb 11 2009, 10:31 AM)

Really?! I thought this was after they had the stand-off - Peter has escaped and Tracy's been recaptured and put back on the drip. To drop in a scene at the end which happened before everything else would be messing with the chronology quite a bit - the whole episode has been a semi-flashback 2 days before Nathan's phonecall, then they drop in a scene from even earlier?
This would make sense if there was some major revelation, like Tracy was a mole working for Nathan all along, but that certainly wasn't how I read the scene - she wasn't co-operating.
I'll have to reassess on the re-watch...
I guess it was a bit confusing to me due to Tracy being surprised that Nathan was even there and the things he said to her before they tubed her again that looked as if it was the first time that they saw each other.
oliveFoxx
Feb 12 2009, 04:56 AM
QUOTE (Raekon @ Feb 12 2009, 01:28 PM)

I guess it was a bit confusing to me due to Tracy being surprised that Nathan was even there and the things he said to her before they tubed her again that looked as if it was the first time that they saw each other.
I watched the scene again and you're right - Tracy
does seem surprised, it could very well be a flashback but we can't be sure.
The phone call with Angela, however, definitely took place 43 hours after the plane crash and the following incidents.
TheEngineer
Feb 12 2009, 05:12 AM
QUOTE (jbs829 @ Feb 10 2009, 06:04 AM)

i definatly could see that happening, since apparently a main character is leaving the show
if peter left i would definitely stop watching
I very much doubt it will be peter they kill off as at this point in the show the only other character that that has his size of audience is sylar. peter has been a major foucus on the show having interacted with almost every other characeter they have brought in and the fact they have "down graded" his power so they can give him a more plausable story line. the writers say they are interested in underdogs adn frankly with what they have done to peter in every volume is to keep him from his full potential (S1 - learn how power works / dont blow up, S2 lose memories, S3-V3 lose all abilities, S3-V4 fugitive ), if they make him anymore of an underdog they will have to cut off his legs.
add to this the fact peter is the only one who has ever beaten sylar on his own (dying of the light) he cant be killed off until sylars dead/powerless and nathans stopped.
i think that he has this new power so they can even the ratio of powers between pete and sylar give it 2 maybe 3 episodes peter should be able to hold on to more than one power and another then be able to call them out as before in my opinion
shader2099
Feb 12 2009, 05:44 AM
QUOTE (TheEngineer @ Feb 12 2009, 02:12 PM)

give it 2 maybe 3 episodes peter should be able to hold on to more than one power and another then be able to call them out as before in my opinion
I would do that but in a certain way. In 2 or 3 episodes I'd make Peter absorb Claire's ability and that one sticks (meaning it's either always on in the background or can be recalled to replace the current ability at any time) because she's the only one he cares about as much as he did in S1. Then 2 or 3 episodes after that Peter realizes his ability depends on how much he cares about the people he's absorbed from. So his ability works pretty much the same as before but he's screwed up his empathy with absorbing IA, shooting his father etc. After that we get Peter as we wish he had been from the beginning, mimicking abilites through empathy with no risk of becoming 'god-like'.
morena
Feb 12 2009, 06:27 AM
QUOTE (TheEngineer @ Feb 12 2009, 02:12 PM)

add to this the fact peter is the only one who has ever beaten sylar on his own
Not really. Mohinder has beaten Sylar three times (two times with no powers!) and he was the first person to ever do that. Noah has beaten Sylar on his own too, when he "killed" him. Claire too.
highflyingempath
Feb 12 2009, 06:35 AM
QUOTE (shader2099 @ Feb 12 2009, 06:44 AM)

I wouldn't do that. In 2 or 3 episodes I'd make Peter absorb Claire's ability and that one sticks (meaning it's either always on in the background or can be recalled to replace the current ability at any time) because she's the only one he cares about as much as he did in S1. Then 2 or 3 episodes after that Peter realizes his ability depends on how much he cares about the people he's absorbed from. So his ability works pretty much the same as before but he's screwed up his empathy with absorbing IA, shooting his father etc. After that we get Peter as we wish he had been from the beginning, mimicking abilites through empathy with no risk of becoming 'god-like'.
Nice.
What about the exposed future? Was FClaire able to kill FPeter because he had never (re)established the empathic connection and so never regain regeneration? Could Claire in the current timeline still come to see Peter as a terrorist and hunt him down? Probably not, she's crossed that bridge.
There are still going to be problems ahead, Peter can only fully master his potential in Season 5, just in time to take down the ultimate big bad.
Ed
shader2099
Feb 12 2009, 07:05 AM
I think the exposed future is gone. Pinehearst is gone and Knox is dead for example. Some things were not averted and so are heading down a similar path now, that's all.
But if we imagine fPeter had the kind of downgraded EM I'm talking about, yes, he might have found it hard to switch to regeneration knowing fClaire was a killer out to capture or kill him. Then again he did bond with pClaire so... *shrugs*
JessicaSanders
Feb 12 2009, 08:35 AM
dont think it wasa flash back i think when we came back to the phone call with angela it became real time.
Hawkdaddy
Feb 12 2009, 06:04 PM
QUOTE (jbs829 @ Feb 10 2009, 07:04 AM)

i definatly could see that happening, since apparently a main character is leaving the show
if peter left i would definitely stop watching
I agree, Peter is too important to the narrative to get rid of, but it is a big possibility.
BluEyedGrl105
Feb 12 2009, 06:24 PM
QUOTE (JessicaSanders @ Feb 12 2009, 08:35 AM)

dont think it was a flash back i think when we came back to the phone call with angela it became real time.
That's what I thought and I've watched the episode twice.
QUOTE (shader2099 @ Feb 12 2009, 05:44 AM)

I would do that but in a certain way. In 2 or 3 episodes I'd make Peter absorb Claire's ability and that one sticks (meaning it's either always on in the background or can be recalled to replace the current ability at any time) because she's the only one he cares about as much as he did in S1. Then 2 or 3 episodes after that Peter realizes his ability depends on how much he cares about the people he's absorbed from. So his ability works pretty much the same as before but he's screwed up his empathy with absorbing IA, shooting his father etc. After that we get Peter as we wish he had been from the beginning, mimicking abilites through empathy with no risk of becoming 'god-like'.
I like it. I like it a lot
I think in S1 Peter loved everyone subconciously. That's why his ability was always on. He was like a sponge of love

In S3, V4 he still loves unconditionally but he has gone through too much to still love the entire world. Does that make sense?
shader2099
Feb 13 2009, 02:15 AM
Oh yes, it makes sense. But I'd add that he now has to let himself love again. And after that he has to keep those emotional connections alive or the abilities become unreachable, no matter how much he touches people.
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