I just don't like this season at all.
I just don't.
I'm not feeling it.
I'm not getting into it.
I don't really get it.
I'm bored and frankly a-bit disappointed. >>;

And Sylar sucks. :/

I watched two Season 2 eppies + Commentary before watching this eppie (Yes, I watch episodes WAAAAY late sometimes. XD; ) and...it was like I was watching a completly different show. Xx;
I don't know. Is is just me?
I'm not adverse to change or anything but...idk.
Maybe it's still too early to tell.

How 'bout you guys?

i agree this volume is different from the others and i get the feel that its something new but not a whole other show. i think this volume is doing ok, slighty better than volume 3 and better than season 2 but not yet at season 1 buit still only 2 episodes it is early to tell

man i have this urge to blame it all on the writers strike that happened during season 2 lol

Yeah.
Thing's started going downhill a-bit from there. XD

God, if only that vial would've hit the ground.
Such a SICK story-line! >>"

Does it feel too 'Lost' for you?

Nope.
It just feels like a crappy T.V show. =/

that woulda called for an awesome storyline

Yea, the show is quickly losing it's luster. It seems more like a chore every week to watch the show, then when I used to get excited every Monday night.

This half has started out good, better then volume three, but I also enjoyed volume two as well, and I don't think "Villains" was better then "Generations" in the least.

This volume does have some promise but they are still using old tricks that need to be let go, and they need to put to rest some of these characters storylines because it's all becoming stale.

I know.
Like the future thing used to be cool and it's sort-of become a tradition but it's getting old.
I mean, there's so many friggin' futures. >>;
And I don't know why Matt has magical future powers or why African Issac (I know his name but I can't spell it. :< ) is poofing around...
And I so wish they'd eleborate on the Tracy thing. Sounded like they were doing a clone experiment thing with the German in it maybe. But they like completly dropped that.

It's weird.
But still maybe there's hope.



Have you seen the Season Two Alternate Ending extras!? =D

I'm starting to disagree with that whole "Everyone's entitled to their own opinion" mumbo jumbo.


Like, what?

i made a small checklist of what i personally would like to see them do this volume...

- give hiro back his powers
- kill sylar
- maybe kill microwave boy
- do something about the whole claire and noah relationship cause idk its getting a bit repetitive
- dont kill tracy
- bring back micah

im pretty sure theres more to add but idk right now lol i doubt they will do all this but its just wats bugging me. the volume still rocks so far.

oh and maybe something other than precognitive paintings this time

I agree with all but the second. XD
Just do something productive with him.

And take away Mo's powers. DURNNIT!
Hey! Maybe Hiro can have Mohinder's powers since he dun have none!



Doesn't feel like Season 1/2 Sylar.
I even liked the "tried to be good" Villians' Sylar better.

This Season he just doesn't feel right.
I used to cheer when he killed people but now I just cringe and I don't know why.

It seems like they have something planned but...
I bet Sy's just gunna kill his Dad. >>;
When does he ever do anything else?

Productive as in have him mindlessly kill a bunch of people untill he gets mortally wounded again and wait until he is better so he can start over?

It's part of his story arc, and it is a brilliant path to take his character down. He is the only one who is entirely doing something different this season.


You cheered when he killed Charlie? And Molly's Parents? O_o

He's just gunna kill his Dad and the kid eventually. xP
Then eat some brains. 83



No. He scared the cupcakes (LOL cupcakes?) outta me back then. 8D
He was more of a faceless menece than a person.

When I saw his face, his character and charisma I practically fell in love.
Now I'm just really ticked at him. Xx;

Alright, we'll I'm betting he isn't going to do that at all. The writers understand how dumb it would be to introduce a character and kill him a second later for no reason in this specific case.

He isn't going to kill his dad to get a power. His dad is more important to him then that. If he kills his father, it would be out of an emotional rage or what not, which I doubt highly will happen.

You are the only person I've seen that thinks he was scarier then then he is now, for one. Yeah it gets annoying he has killed a lot of people and it is hard for him to stop...but he is way more interesting and deep a character then being a boogieman. If you want that type of deal, Danko the hunter is perfect for you. Personally I like my villains interesting, complex, and awesome though.

I still want him to be good for some reason. XD
Won't happen though but the man needs to socialize more.
It's called "Heroes" not "Sylar".
Gets boring seeing him wandering around alone.

Now he's gotta that bratty kid, I don't know if that's better or worse. >>;



You know.
That'd be a SICK power. XD
To produce cupcakes when you're scared?

idk this volume gives me hope. the first two episodes have been different than what we're used to, but i like it. i'm enjoying the change in pace and the way the episodes are structured. i'm actually excited to see where each of these characters will be going now that things are so different for them.

i agree some of the storylines, such as claire's, are becoming a bit stale. even HRG is becoming a bit dull to me... which makes me really sad. i'm just hoping something drastic happens like someone gets on HRGs bad side and he goes through a few episodes of tearing people up and fighting for more than just his family (because i'm getting sick of Claire being his only concern), and maybe claire finally grows up a little and starts using her regen more offensively... or just dies off. i don't know.

i haven't been very interested in Ali Larter's character.. since they killed off Niki. but maybe this volume will bring us closer to her and allow for some much needed development! i'm not so sure about mohinder either, i can't only hope they manage to do something interesting and significant with him. Matt's shaping up nicely, showing a little more of his dark side along with Peter becoming more like his future self, and i'm enjoying the possible role-reversal with Hiro and Ando.

where's angela in all of this? where does she fit in? what does she think of nathan's plan and what will happen to her? the mystery alone sparks enough interest for me to keep an eye out. i also sit back and wonder if Micah will be showing up.. is he the Rebel character texting claire? and are molly and monica totally out of the picture as well? an alliance between micah and molly would be very intruiging. they would make quite a powerful duo!

sylar's story sure is strange so far, which is what makes it intruiging to me. what will happen once he finds his father, does daddy grey have a power? and what will become of the "microwave kid" in this arc? all good reasons to tune in imo.

Hmm.
Agreed. =3

I'd also like to see some questions I still have from Season Three: Part One answered.
And I demand another flashback episode.
Those are always the best. <33

He isn't alone now for one. Two...it's called "Heroes" not "Let's get everyone together and have a party". Remember back when there were a bunch of storylines that DIDN'T totally intersect? And how awesome things came from it? And finally we have a character doing his own thing again? Good times.

I mean, this was literally the only original story-line Heroes-verse wise in this past episode. Everything else we have seen before. From Sylar we are getting the only fresh emotional responses to new situations...and you are bored with it?

I wasn't enjoying last season much but I'm really enjoying this one so far!! I think they're touching base on the themes and feelings of season 1, which can never be topped in my opinion. I likes it

Yes, I am INCREDIBLY bored and frustrated with Sylar right now.

Why can't you wrap your mind around that? 0_o;?
I'm allowed to have my own opinions.
It annoys me to see Sylar's morality to be yanked up and down like a yo-yo on a string.
That may seem complex to you but it's very annoying to me.

Then again, it may still be too early to tell.

Also we should have some old mob boss guy plot to blow up some major city. Cause like, then everyone will be united instead of fearful. Only then we go to the future and realize that isn't what happens!

idk.
Doesn't feel like Season 1 to me. XD;



Dude, Linderman was AWESOME. 8D
He made Pot Pies. <33

Really? I thought he was way scarier when he was just this unstoppable monster without a face.

Now I don't find him scary at all. Not to say I don't like him as a character of course.

But yeah I'd love to see Micah back and see the relationship between Claire and her father change. But please don't kill off Luke. I know many people didn't like most of the new characters introduced in S2. The thing is though that it wasn't the addition of new characters that was the problem, it was the addition of characters that were um . . . not so interesting.

I can't tell if you are being serious or just screwing around..



No way they are just gunna of Luke. I have way more faith in them then that.

I wonder how much the actor who plays Micah has aged? =.

There's just no more mystery or intrigue with the story and the majority of the characters anymore because they've all been pulled through the wringer and dripped dry of all relevancy. They keep shoving certain character into completely stupid or repetitive storylines just to keep them on the show.

A-bit of both. =3

I really did like Linderman alot.
And I like Pot Pies too. ^^

When people are being too serious or Ladyy to me on the net I react by being light-hearted, random and doopy.
Confuses the heck outta them.

Agree to disagree then and see what happens to our dear Sy-Poo?



Maybe. =.
Many of the characters haven't seen to have grown out of their bad habits.

Like the Petrelli Bro's power struggle and Claire's defience of her father...or now fathers.

No I am sorry I cannot. I am bound by a contract to protect his good name.




XD =3

XD

Here, you can have my coveted Sylar plushie till we're both satisfied. =3
*hands the plushie over*

idk i don't really want to see another "flashback" episode. maybe i'm the only one, but i feel like an episode like that would ruin the momentum they've established. i don't think they have much to show within those 2 months anyway. the 1st episode basically showed all of us that everyone was just trying to be normal. i'd much rather have episodes focused on moving the story along and introducing new intruiging elements anyway.

I started to love this volume until my friend pointed out that "Fugitives" is basically copying X-Men. (mutants being hunted). Then I told him to STFU and give the show a chance. Which I, myself, am going to do, because I'm tired of noticing all the bad things about the show now.

Feel...
As far as the mood, tempo, music, long-lensed foreground shots goes it's dead on. Especially the first episode, it was visually very beautiful and took me back to S1.
Everything else though... Let's just say they haven't recaptured ANY of the S1 magic other than that.

Let me put it another way. I could act like a zombie, and walk like a zombie, and look like a zombie... but that doesn't make me a zombie. It makes me like a cheap Korean knock-off, a sad imitation dressed up to resemble something I could never be.

Personally, I'm off the bandwagon. Hopefully Kring has time to right this ship after what I think Loeb did to it.

Well I know for me there is never a Monday that goes by since Heroes began that I'm not in front of my TV free of distractions to watch my show. The show has never lost it's luster for me. And there have really only a handful of shows that I have been able to stick with across seasons Buffy, Angel, Twin Peaks, Charmed, BSG, Supernatural, Doctor Who . I thought Lost was going to be the next show that did that for me but after the mid-second season I lost interest and never went back. Then Heroes came along and I wa sin love.

I think like any show for some it can lost it's luster. Heroes has made it's mis-steps but none that have been as epic as some try to make them out to be and it's still one of the best written shows that I know of.

I used to host Heroes parties on Mondays, with as many as 10 people attending. This last Monday, I didn't even think about Heroes until 8:59 when I saw a commercial for it. My week used to revolve around Heroes, and now I'm so not entertained I don't even think about it until the last minute... literally.


Of those 10, myself and 1 other still watch the show. That's 80% of their fans from S1!!

I think the problem is... they listened to the ignorant vocal minority... something that will doom any show.

Well I will say that Fugitives seems to be showing us that they are done with that in most aspects. Fandom can be an ugly monster when it wants to be and the writers got so wrapped up in trying to give the vocal yokles what they wanted they lost focus of the story they wanted to tell. But again Fugitives seems to be a redeemer.

I didn't really invest myself in the Heroes community until the beginning of the third season, so I don't really know what people are talking about when they say that the writers started "trying to give the vocal yokles what they wanted." Was it really that bad? I don't really understand how the fans could have had such a big effect on the decision-making process that went on behind closed doors. Were people asking for Sylar to have a redemptive story arc before the third season began? Did they ask about Mr. Petrelli with such frequency that they thought it might be a good idea to make him the bad guy? Was there such a major backlash against Niki's death in the season two finale that they decided to invent Tracy's character during the offseason to placate the riotous fans? How are you supposed to differentiate between what they dreamed up themselves and what they created based on feedback in order to give the clamoring masses what they wanted?

I'm persuaded that the community had nothing at all to do with it. They sailed the ship into the iceberg, not us. I know that the Heroes online community has some influence over the writers - they feel the need to apologize to us for every little thing they don't explain under the guise of answering our questions in the "Behind The Eclipse" Q+A sessions they do every week. They might as well call it "Writerwanking (Plus there might be itty bitty spoilers.)" But I don't know how much "we" really had to do with the show losing focus and becoming little more than an animated comic book.

Also!

I don't think that two episodes is enough to determine that Fugitives is going to get us where we need to be (which is back to Genesis-type levels of excellence). There's still plenty of potential for screw-ups.

Err... What I mean to say is, calling it a redeemer might be premature. I did enjoy last week's episode, though. "A Clear and Present Danger" was an utter bore for me, but I liked last week's. Stuff actually happened. If next week's is even better, hey, I might join you in some premature celebration! =D

I don't have the quote or link handy, but Tim Kring did say something to the effect of, "We stopped reading message boards after season two" as a means to gauge fan reaction or to get a feel for what the fans want.

That makes me very happy.

The writers should just do their thing and the fans should just stop nagging about how they want this and that, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.

the only problem i relly have with the show now is the fact they have went from esentialy a god-like peter and sylar to now a god-like sylar and peter with either a relly rubish power ( only 1 power + no call back), this just dosent work granted the main villain for vol 4 is ment to be nathan but there still has to be a balance of power and if sylar joins forces with a certain someone as shown in some of the spoiler pics then then had better do somthing amazing with peters new abillity and soon to develope it.

dont get me wrong i think sylars a great character with a great set of powers and direction but in every story there has to be a balance, at least one person who can stand a chance in a fight and be able to say no i wont let you do that because as it stands the gov't cant take down sylar and there are no other Eh's that could do it either, am i the only one who loved seeing peter beat the ****** out of sylar in "dying of the light" and tell him hes the most special.

i do like how they have trieds to improve peters intellegence (al be it not as much as i would have liked but they are getting ther, maybe a byproduct of having IA for that short period but prob not) as he seems to thimnk about thing more rather than just reacting, but he has to be able to hold onto at least 2 powers ie rapid cell and TK/strength.

I'm sure they will balance them out after this volume, but this volume isn't about stopping Sylar and I don't think Peter and Sylar will fight at all. They have no reason to. It's all about saving themselves so I wouldn't be suprised if later in the volume Peter and the boys temporarily teamed up with Sylar because it would suit them better to have him on their side.

The funniest thing about this Volume is they talked about and showed in the previews how our "Heroes" would be back in their normal lives and what do you know by the second episode they are on an island running from the military.

Having our Heroes back in thier normal lives lie - EPIC FAIL

It doesn't count to show them once and then have then bagged and tagged. It feels like the whole production is disjointed. To have a successful show there has to be one voice, not Kring's voice, then NBC's voice it's all turned to crap from that perspective but I'll stick around like always even though it's getting really tough. A couple of times this season I've gotten up off my couch while the show was on to get a drink, let the dog out, etc in the middle of the show not during commercial breaks and when I sat back down I didn't really miss anything I couldn't have figured out from watching the previous seasons. Example - oh yeah HRG is being shady, arguing with Claire, Nathan's an ****** when he has power, Angela is the behind the scenes manipulator, Sylar is killing people (now with play pal). Is any of this "new", the situation is "new" with the gov't hunting them down instead of Primatech or Pinehearst or Sylar, yawn, rinse repeat.

Just wish they had people running the show that could come up with original ideas, their trapped in convential BS instead of pushing the envelope. BSG just killed off about 100 people in the last two episodes for real, no coming back for them, one commited suicide one comitted treason and was executed, could you imagine the heroes staff having enough balls to take a character we've known from S1 till now and kill them off? but not just kill them off make them a huge ****** who leads a mutiny against the ship were many people die, they would never tarnish say Peter in that way. If they do we haven't seen it. BTW replacing Nikki with Barbara apparently because of fan backlash is truly spineless, it's your show and story tell it like you see fit, if this board is any indication, your not going to please everyone all the time. [End Rant]

Let's get claire to kill noah. THAT would be spice things up.
And then we should have some random lesbian relationship with two characters who have never previously met
OH AND WHAT THE HELL, let's make them related too
OH! AND um..

yeah idk i watch too many soap operas

I don't agree. This is what Heroes should be about. I love the coming together to fight evil. Hiro has always had this as his agenda and I love it. The charterers are their own people. they are evolving slowly just like you and I do in real life. Give the Heroes a task and let them get at it. This everyone is coming together then split them up is what was getting old.

I agree with the whole Sylar thing. there is no way he should still be alive after Pinehurst and his plot line is only in there for those people that like the gory Halloween movies.

I know that this vol is not so much about the stopping sylar thing but what i was meaning between the 2 lead figures of what im gona term "the dark side" there is enough political (nathan) and physical (sylar / Hunters) power / will to esentially accomplish anything but as of yet, ok peter took charge some what at the end of 3.15 but theres no lead figure with the power to match be it political or physical.

I'm sure most people would agree that peter was always written as a if not the central character and the "big" power on "the good side" like charles said in the first season "there always has to be one". So where is the power to match (anyone, anywhere), because they have messed around with peter so much i don't think he even knows who or what he is anymore.

The other fact is the writers of this show have been scared from the end of S1 to have 2 strong characters with multiple abilities on opposite sides (besides the SFX costs) they have always kept peter and sylar as far away from one an other (take S2, sylar in south america + shanti virus, peter in ireland no memory) and then they made arthur so powerful due to petes powers and his own intellegence combined that no one could fight him using powers it had to be a Haitian job + a bullet.

Lostie you asked if it is just you? Yes it is.

I've never felt disappointed with the show. I liked season 2 and wasn't bored at all. I stuck with the characters and liked the twists and turns and developments. I wish they'd focus on the main characters more, though, and kill off the rest (like they have been slowly doing). I liked Nikki/Tracy, though.

TheEngineer, I actually like that they took away Peters powers because it seems pretty obvious that he can't be intelligent and have a crap load of power at the same time.

Also I would like to point out that Peter isn't the only one and this is something that's bothered me since season one. Why does Peter have to do it on his own? Why does it have to be Peter Vs. Sylar? I mean yea, it would be cool to see, but in real life (and this is supposed to be real life) why can't everyone with Peter's views take on Sylar together? Or Nathan, or the Hunter, or whoever?

For example, in the season one finale, Niki helped Peter to gain the upper hand, but then he sent her away... Why? I mean yea there wasn't a lot of reason for her to help him in the first place, but that didn't stop the writers from putting her there. But instead of taking Sylar on together, she went back to help her family... By sitting on the ground with them! lol

So yea, I guess what I'm saying is so what if Peter can only hold on to one power? I doubt Sylar could take on all of our Hero's at the same time anyways, and that's what makes him unstoppable. (Though I doubt we'll see that this season since it's not about Peter vs Sylar as someone else has already stated.)

Why is it that people whine and whine about how powers are getting out of hand in Villains and then start complaining again the moment things are toned down in Fugitives? I am seriously wondering why, I'm not trying to be a jerk here.

Here's my two cents...it will be mailed

Now Season 1 was the pinnacle of kickass, I hope we can all agree on that. The ending was a little anti-climatic but that's a matter of opinion.

Season 2...a little iffy, most likely because of the writer's strike.

Volume 3 was...also a little iffy.

So I'm gonna point out the one main difference here. The size. Volume 1 was a full season and while it did receive critisim on being too long, it allowed the plot lines time to flesh out instead of having to be resolved immediatly. Example, Save the Cheerleader, Save the World. That took a few episodes. Volume 3, Sylar, that guys would constantly switch sides.

Another difference, the 'feel' is different. Volume 1 had this sort of mysteries, ominious feel to it. It was nice. I get chills when i listen to the opening music of Episode 1. This feel is gone though probably because any new character will be killed rather soon, there isn't really a 'discovering of abilitys' anymore and there's no distance between the characters, they all know eachother already and everyone is connected. I'll expand on those three points.

One thing that is obvious in this show...people die. They die really fast. I get ****** at how fast people die. Seriously, how hard can it be to just not die. When these people are just dropping at this speed, you stop caring for them. My dad and I actually bet on how many characters will die in an episode. Part of the problem is Sylar, a lot of characters are introduced with the sole purpose of dieing for him. Remember Eden? I liked her. She lasted a few episodes and although she was in a way killed by Sylar, that wasn't her purpose. She actually affected other characters. And when she died, I actually was like "****** no". And why did I care when she died? Because she lasted more then 10 ****** minutes. On the flip side, when that lie detector chick came on screen, i knew she was gonna get killed. I actually didn't even waste the brain space on learning her name. But seriously, people die way to fast in this show. And it's important people too. Daphnne. She's gone. Wtf. Maybe I would care more if people stopped dieing. I remember in season 1 for the commercials for an episode the catch was, "someone flys, someone dies". They can't use that anymore because someone's gonna die next episode anyway. Btw the character that died was Simone. I don't know about everyone else but i was like "HOLY cupcakes!" cause that happened right at the end, after so many people nearly died.

Next point. No discovering of abilities. Sure we meet new people with their ability, but no trying to get it to work. I loved the early scenes where Peter was trying to fly. The whole difficultly of getting the power to work gave the character a human quality that the viewer can relate to. It wasn't just Peter. Issac couldn't paint without heroine. Hiro needed the sword. There isn't any of that anymore. Andy just got a power, but he can use it fine, and what did it take? hitting his hand on the desk. huzzah. There just isn't any discovery anymore, and i miss it. It helped make the show entertaining and prevented the characters from kicking ****** right off the bat.

Last thing. Everyone is connected. This is annoying. I hate Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice because it seemed like Bassanio and Portia knew eachother and that kinda ruined it. Everybody was connected to the company. All the heroes, who were far apart, had parents who knew eachother. it was nice in season 1 how there were several different arcs, and the characters seemed seperate but they all came together in the end and all their arcs tied together. This is why I like Sylar in volume 4, he's a third party who is seperate from everyone.

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thanks to anyone who read all of that

i completely agree. for some reason i have hope for Fugitives. it has a much better feel than Villians.

i just wish they would've had the story of Villians spread over into two volumes because everything happened too quickly for me to even care. i almost feel like a 2000 page novel version of it would've brought me more joy.